And how do we know your friend isn't talking total bollocks?
Because he speaks more sense than most....apparently!
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Because he speaks more sense than most....apparently!
Panzershrank
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And how do we know your friend isn't talking total bollocks?
He was there!
BMW would, for sure, like to have a statement from your very good friend, because if crap riding is the cause, then bad reporting could destroy their product.It may also be in your friend's interest to make contact.
Panzershrank
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BMW would, for sure, like to have a statement from your very good friend, because if crap riding is the cause, then bad reporting could destroy their product.It may also be in your friend's interest to make contact.
Bad reporting in the bike press is almost a given in this country, good news does not sell mags or newspapers, I remember when the MCN did a massive 6 page review of the new Ducati 1098, two weeks later they were slating it because a plastic part had failed. It's a shame in this country but we always seem to want to find fault or rubbish something because one person says something negative. I have never purchased a bike on the back of a report in a mag, if I like it ill buy it, don't get me wrong I've bought some lemons in my time but a review by a journalist ridding with his hair on fire at 200 mph would not have changed my mind.
It's all utter nonsense
Well ,,,, ask yourself ,, a bike journo has an incident that is enbarrasing to say the least,, he breaks a bike on test,,, I , you, BMW, and even this mate mentioned on this forum does not really know what happened,, because what were the settings on the bike as he rumbled along , with cruise control set at 75mph on a road ,,,, here's a note ... For that mate who was there.. Martin was not observed by another rider... I have spoken with BMW today..
The other so called incidents of tank slappers were again recorded in isolated incidents unwitnessed and in totally different circumstances to MFG's road incident... ???
There are reports of recalls in Canada,, 54 units affected and dealt with .. Highlighted by BMW before the units were even with dealers..
The recall notices were issues following introduce road testing by a large number of users in extreme conditions and much abuse and ending in a few bikes being ... In their words broken ..
There is often doubt fear concern with any purchase,, it's called cognitive dissonance...
Taking all the reports the fears the mystery the risk ... Isn't that what of bikers usually thrive on?...
I've ordered mine today.. In total faith of the brand the bike and my choice my decision..
TE THUNDER GREY.....
Well ,,,, ask yourself ,, a bike journo has an incident that is enbarrasing to say the least,, he breaks a bike on test,,, I , you, BMW, and even this mate mentioned on this forum does not really know what happened,, because what were the settings on the bike as he rumbled along , with cruise control set at 75mph on a road ,,,, here's a note ... For that mate who was there.. Martin was not observed by another rider... I have spoken with BMW today..
The other so called incidents of tank slappers were again recorded in isolated incidents unwitnessed and in totally different circumstances to MFG's road incident... ???
There are reports of recalls in Canada,, 54 units affected and dealt with .. Highlighted by BMW before the units were even with dealers..
The recall notices were issues following introduce road testing by a large number of users in extreme conditions and much abuse and ending in a few bikes being ... In their words broken ..
There is often doubt fear concern with any purchase,, it's called cognitive dissonance...
Taking all the reports the fears the mystery the risk ... Isn't that what of bikers usually thrive on?...
I've ordered mine today.. In total faith of the brand the bike and my choice my decision..
TE THUNDER GREY.....
Panzershrank
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I've ordered mine today.. In total faith of the brand the bike and my choice my decision..
TE THUNDER GREY.....[/QUOTE]
Well said......... I too will be placing my order ..
RED TE WIRE WHEELS
TE THUNDER GREY.....[/QUOTE]
Well said......... I too will be placing my order ..
RED TE WIRE WHEELS
Not even by the rider who was following him?
So was the Bike journo, but your friend says Martin Fitz-Gibbons was talking bollocks.
Why should we accept what your unknown friend says?
What makes what he says any more reliable than Martin Fitz-Gibbons?
Tired
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Kevin Ash the Telegraph Motoring reporter was killed during the launch in SA riding the new bike.........anyone got any insight into that..... ????
Conspiracy theorists will probably attach the tank-slapping reports to his death. And it is one hell of a coincidence. Not helped by secondary reports of similar occurrences. And not helped by the "cloak of silence" from BMW.
If you think back to the previous years in the US when there were the shysters trying it on with Toyota about throttle sticking open events, Toyota were straight out into the press with PR about investigations and fixes and check-ups on the vehicles.
BMW are in a similar position, in that there are reports that there have been safety issues with their machinery. But not a word?
A Toyota with a sticking throttle will smash you into a wall and the crumple zone, airbags and seat-belts with will give some protection.
On a GS you are the crumple zone!
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Originally Posted by bellyboy
... For that mate who was there.. Martin was not observed by another rider... I have spoken with BMW today..
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Not even by the rider who was following him?
No Rider followed him to observe what happened,, so I am informed..
Originally Posted by bellyboy
... For that mate who was there.. Martin was not observed by another rider... I have spoken with BMW today..
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Not even by the rider who was following him?
No Rider followed him to observe what happened,, so I am informed..
Why is it 'one hell of a coincidence' ? His accident could have been been caused by any number of reasons - including rider error.
I think that it is all a conspiracy, Triumph running scared because they know that this fantastic new GS wipes the floor with their lardy Explorer poor excuse for an adventure bike
Quite possibly.
The new GS like many other new "premium" bikes are filled with electronic "riding aids" aimed at the rider with lots of disposable income and little riding ability.
Much as I like to see rider numbers increase, the standard of riding from "born agains" and "wanabees" is very poor. Passing a test, even a ROSPA or IAM doesn't make a good rider. Safer maybe but not good. I ride out with an IAM group and sometimes it's painful watching some of them ride. But they all make the required observation checks etc that they've been taught and all have a certificate on the wall.
red1 .... are you serious?...
or have I missed the subtle undertones of humour somewhere??
how can you really make a broad sweeping statement on so many riders,,, I I use to race at club level was an Instructor, have Police Class 1 training and I have ridden 0000's of miles across different continents, ive fell off, been hit,,, but every ride , every day I Learn.....I may be an old dog but i can do new tricks..
generalised statementsare too sweeping,,,Casey stoner was no good all the haters claimed..he rode with all those electronic aids,,,, he switched them off virtually, and still no one could match him?....
Tho I am sure you really didnt mean to be serious?
or have I missed the subtle undertones of humour somewhere??
how can you really make a broad sweeping statement on so many riders,,, I I use to race at club level was an Instructor, have Police Class 1 training and I have ridden 0000's of miles across different continents, ive fell off, been hit,,, but every ride , every day I Learn.....I may be an old dog but i can do new tricks..
generalised statementsare too sweeping,,,Casey stoner was no good all the haters claimed..he rode with all those electronic aids,,,, he switched them off virtually, and still no one could match him?....
Tho I am sure you really didnt mean to be serious?
Serious about electronic aids being installed to try and stop poor riders hurting themselves? Yes.
The standard of riding in general I believe is poor. Something from your experience within the police and as an instructor with which I'm sure you must agree.
They'll all be out in a couple of weeks (Easter) wobbling around taking 6 bites at the cherry at every bend on their mega bikes hoping the electronics will get them round.
Unfortunately throttle control is becoming a thing of he past.
The standard of riding in general I believe is poor. Something from your experience within the police and as an instructor with which I'm sure you must agree.
They'll all be out in a couple of weeks (Easter) wobbling around taking 6 bites at the cherry at every bend on their mega bikes hoping the electronics will get them round.
Unfortunately throttle control is becoming a thing of he past.
I had a test ride on one yesterday - on A & B roads - damp roads drying out at the end, so all conditions.
Handling was bloody marvellous
The bike I rode had all the toys on ....The ESA was very useful, but I didn't really get the point of all the engine modes - after a few miles playing with it, decided to leave it on 'dynamic' mode (full power) & trust my throttle control.
The bike feels so much lighter than previous models & is very nimble - like riding a bike half it's size -
This made the front a bit skittery on fast sections when I had the suspension on the harder sport mode - sorted itself out when I switched to 'normal'
Wonder if this is the big issue they are ranting about - certainly no sign of any tankslapper developing.
Being used to riding bikes with ESA, it was easy for me to identify & resolve - maybe the journos just went flat out on hard settings - only BMW will be able to tell us that one.
Myself, I reckon it could just be down to the old Read The Fecking Manual bit.
Handling was bloody marvellous
The bike I rode had all the toys on ....The ESA was very useful, but I didn't really get the point of all the engine modes - after a few miles playing with it, decided to leave it on 'dynamic' mode (full power) & trust my throttle control.
The bike feels so much lighter than previous models & is very nimble - like riding a bike half it's size -
This made the front a bit skittery on fast sections when I had the suspension on the harder sport mode - sorted itself out when I switched to 'normal'
Wonder if this is the big issue they are ranting about - certainly no sign of any tankslapper developing.
Being used to riding bikes with ESA, it was easy for me to identify & resolve - maybe the journos just went flat out on hard settings - only BMW will be able to tell us that one.
Myself, I reckon it could just be down to the old Read The Fecking Manual bit.
Hammam
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Agree that electronics must not replace skill, common sense and knowledge at the handlebar, but in what are they different from safety belts and airbags in cars?
Yep agree red1 there are serious issues with some riders but thats not the electronics,, its the speed at which they progress to a full licence without gaining experience,, its the must have it now culture,,
one question though...got ABS on yours?
I know I can out brake it,,,given a few goes,,, but that dog,deer,kid that runs out only gives you one chance....
Yes rider aids passive or active do detract from the learning experience... but realisticly... ABS only comes into play when needed, Traction control may save a schoolboy error, as for ESA,,, thats just improved technology,,,not always better,,, but I gotta have it coz it appears to work rather well...
The Traction control I have on my SRR works really well but is used only when I want to play dangerous and really push my limits...so am I learning?? The Quick shifter is just a mechanical electrical contraption that improves clutchless shifts..
BUT in TOTAL Agreement that nothing beats experience...
one question though...got ABS on yours?
I know I can out brake it,,,given a few goes,,, but that dog,deer,kid that runs out only gives you one chance....
Yes rider aids passive or active do detract from the learning experience... but realisticly... ABS only comes into play when needed, Traction control may save a schoolboy error, as for ESA,,, thats just improved technology,,,not always better,,, but I gotta have it coz it appears to work rather well...
The Traction control I have on my SRR works really well but is used only when I want to play dangerous and really push my limits...so am I learning?? The Quick shifter is just a mechanical electrical contraption that improves clutchless shifts..
BUT in TOTAL Agreement that nothing beats experience...
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