Black Forest/Harz

DaveP

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June & July we have 2 6 day weekends thur/tues and fancy a euro jaunt, the idea would be wed night ferry hull/zeebruger, Dont mind crunching a few miles but the idea would be to get somwere biker friendly like this place http://biker-hotel-harz.de/ so we can get a feel for the area, stay fri/sat/sun monday night ferry back. any other surgestions please as have open mind on this.
Thanks Dave.
 
I lobbed up a whole load of Garmin routes for the area.

There are several threads / trip reports on jaunts just as you are doing, so sit back and surf a bit through the pages of UKGSer. You are certainly not the first.

PS 'biker frendly' is an over worked and largely meaningless phrase. Most places are friendly to their customers, irrespective of their mode of transport.... Providing the customers are reasonably polite in return.
 
If you're going to the Black Forest definitely check out the B500. Sweeping 90mph bends and stunning scenery, you'll love it :thumb2
 
kimbo said:
If you're going to the Black Forest definitely check out the B500. Sweeping 90mph bends and stunning scenery, you'll love it :thumb2
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.... until the police stop you....

Most of the B500 now has a 70 km/h speed limit - a bit is 100 km/h. Especially in the summer and at weekends, it is very well policed - this partly due to the number of deaths on the road at these times (IIRC, Brit bikers were the leaders last year). The use of hidden video cameras has also increased over the last couple of years to combat speeding - don't ask me how I know that :augie
 
The roads off either side of the B500 are as good as ( if not better) than their more famous mother.

We had a great three or four days in the area, hardly touching the road. The ADAC map, from which I nicked all the suggestions, is worth getting your hands on, for sure.
 
Dave Barrett said:
.... until the police stop you....

Most of the B500 now has a 70 km/h speed limit - a bit is 100 km/h. Especially in the summer and at weekends, it is very well policed - this partly due to the number of deaths on the road at these times (IIRC, Brit bikers were the leaders last year). The use of hidden video cameras has also increased over the last couple of years to combat speeding - don't ask me how I know that :augie
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I have been every year since 2009 (and am going back in a few weeks) and it is true the speed limits have been lowered in places and there is more plod presence at the weekends...

So as Wapping suggest why not use some of the roads to the side, or just don't go racing the local heroes on a sunny Sunday, wait until Monday when the locals are back at work and Mr Plod is back to normal duties (or having a day off after his weekend busting morons)

As for deaths, last year two local bikers were killed near our Hotel when a lad in a "hot hatch" tried overtaking round a blind bend, and the year before the Hotel lost a guest when another local young lad veered onto the wrong side of the road and hit the chap head on.

I think reports of UK bikers being the problem in this area re greatly exagerated, although it is a victim of its own success and is attracting more and more Power Rangers who think it is a free alternative to "The Ring"

As for places to stay try:-

http://pension-williams.com/

Report and pictures here:-

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249110
 
Would suggest Rotterdam in lieu of Zeebrugge.

Later sailing and earlier docking.

Better ferry.

Also the distance will be similar to get to an inland destination like the BF :thumb
 
Rasher said:
I think reports of UK bikers being the problem in this area re greatly exagerated
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I didn't mean to give this impression, but the local papers tend to "name and shame" each year. Last year, all I heard from friends and acquaintances was, " what's with your fellow countrymen killing themselves the whole time, then?"

TBH, what I personally see is that the nutters tend to be from our age-old enemies from Württemberg. I guess I've been living in Baden for too long :blagblah
 
Cooperman said:
Would suggest Rotterdam in lieu of Zeebrugge.

Later sailing and earlier docking.

Better ferry.

Also the distance will be similar to get to an inland destination like the BF :thumb
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I tend to use the Zeebrugge ferry on the way out and Rotterdam on the way back. Decent roads are much closer to Zeebrugge, so you only have a couple of hours to endure on the motorway out of the port. Rotterdam allows a couple,of hours leeway on the way back if you're delayed for any reason....like on the way back from the Mosel with the VFR Club in 2004 when I ended up covering the last 115 miles back to Rotterdam in 65 minutes after a crash closed the motorway :eek:
 
Hi,

Try getting booked up at Pension Williams in Seebach very close to Baden Baden and even closer to the B500.

The Hotel is at the top of an hill in a beautiful valley. David And Angela own the place and are more than helpful.

Visited the place twice last year on the way to Livigno and the Stelvio pass and on the way back.

The B500 was very foggy and damp when I rode on it which was probably a good thing as it slowed us down a tad itreally is a fantastic bit of road, smooth as silk with awesome corners.

There was a Brit rider killed there last year around the week we passed through the place. He apparently low sided and was hit by a car on the opposite side of the road.
 
Dave Barrett said:
I didn't mean to give this impression, but the local papers tend to "name and shame" each year. Last year, all I heard from friends and acquaintances was, " what's with your fellow countrymen killing themselves the whole time, then?"
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The age old issue of the few spoiling it for the many, so if everyone could try not to kill themselves this year that would be great news for Dave who has to live there :thumb
 
Dave Barrett said:
I didn't mean to give this impression, but the local papers tend to "name and shame" each year. Last year, all I heard from friends and acquaintances was, " what's with your fellow countrymen killing themselves the whole time, then?"
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Tell 'em it makes a change from their fellow countrymen doing the job across Europe. :augie. :beerjug:
 
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