BMW 3rd year garauntee cost

You are not going to like this.............

I called in at my dealers today and asked the cost of the extended warranty for my bike, '€280 but you can't pay it until the end of the second year' was the response! So, we get three years BM Assist and the extended warranty costs around £190. :clap :D
As someone has mentioned I think this is more likely an insurance company problem rather than a BM one.
 
ChasMill said:
I have sent a version of Wapping's letter this morning. If we all do the same, it will really p*ss them off! Will try and make contact with one of my Aussie colleagues today and see what we can come up with.

No news yet in reply to my letter.
 
We are all in the same EU now, so whilst it might be a long shot to buy an extended warranty in Australia, one bought from BMW in France should be valid here...any one out there with a clue on this?
 
luckylucian said:
We are all in the same EU now, so whilst it might be a long shot to buy an extended warranty in Australia, one bought from BMW in France should be valid here...any one out there with a clue on this?

I agree that it would seem logical that a citizen in the UK should be able to purchase a warranty from another Eu country.

Let's see if BumW reply to my letter, then I'll follow it up with another one. If they they do not reply yo my first lettr I will write again, thi stime to higher up the food chain.
 
Cars are equally, if not more complex than bikes. Cars are also generally far more expensive to purchase yet you can purchase extended warranties for far less than the £600 per year BMW want for a bike. To me this type of high pricing either says BMW is not particularly interested in underwriting longer term ownership, and/or has no faith in the longevity for its bike products, or know better than us how many bikes actually go wrong and need parts. I certainly think £600 per annum is too much for peace of mind against unexpected failures.

Warrantyworks charges are £250 to £325 for 3 years additional cover which seems very reasonable to obtain peace of mind until the bike is five years old.
Has anyone used alternate insurance backed warranties such as those provided by Warrantyworks ? Are they any good particularly if a claim is actually made ?
 
I asked..

...the same question about Warrantyworks (ie anyone used them) but didn't get any feedback............sooo took a chance and have taken out a years platinum cover costing £192.47 this covers the bike for upto £1000 :thumb .I agree its not the way things should be with a bike costing over 9k :nono but as long as BMW keep there heads up their back-side cant see there's another option !
 
How about everyone who attends this years bike show at the NEC makes a point of asking the question about the cost of extended warranty with the BMW people on the stand?

If they will not reply to letters lets Pixx them off in person.
 
might also be a good idea to post the details of the 3rd year guarantee costs on other forums and web sites.
 
...but hold on!

Don't we have some of the BMW chappies floating around this forum?

Come on guys, why don't you get involved? Take this issue to the guys in Bracknell and get something sorted for us.

..or is this too much of a nice little earner for you? :thumb

FWIW - I will not be paying the current price for the extended warranty but if it was £200 then I would.

M
 
Those nice people at BMW have replied to my version of Wapping's letter as follows:

"I can confirm that all BMW Motorcycles are supplied by the factory with a 24 month world wide unlimited mileage warranty as standard. At the end of this period some countries offer their customers the opportunity to purchase extensions to this warranty. However the coverage, premium and general terms and conditions vary greatly.

As I am sure you may appreciate BMW UK and BMW Australia have very different markets and economies. As such the coverage and the way the warranty is funded will be specific to each country. Legislation governing the sale of warranties will also be different.

An extended warranty purchased from BMW Australia will not be recognised by ourselves or any UK BMW Dealer, therefore it would not be advisable for you to purchase a warranty from Australia, unless the bike was going to be exported there.

I trust this information is of assistance to you.

Yours sincerely,
Jean-Paul Keetch, Warranty Services Advisor"

I am going to write back asking if the European rules apply as we could all easily but in France for less than £150.

I am also going to make a pain in the arse of myself at the NEC next Friday just for the sport.


Point of warning to our Aussie chums - don't bother trying to claim on your extended warranty outside of Australia bexause according to this letter it ain't worth the paper it's written on!
 
My reply (this one could run and run):

Dear Mr Keetch,

RE: Motorcycle extended warranty - your ref 95672

Thanks you very much for your letter of 13th October in response to mine of 12 October.

I have noted your statements with interest and have posted the contents of your letter to the BMW GS Owners Forum so other BMW owners are aware of the stance taken by BMW.

I am sure that Australia BMW owners will be surprised to learn that their extended warranty is not worth the paper it is written on if they take their bike outside Australia. - a curious stance from a firm that produces motorbikes that are designed to travel across the globe?

If the same rules apply to the UK extended warranty (it is useless outside of the UK), then it makes it even worse value for money. How does this work under European legislation? Why can I buy an extended warranty in France for €280 (about 25% of the cost in the UK) for essentially the same product? Would a French, German or Italian warranty not be honoured in every European state?

BMW Motorcycles are at the upper end of the price range and as an owner I was prepared to pay a premium price for a premium brand. I do not however expect to be victimised for being British by being hit in the pocket when it comes to protecting my considerable investment for a third year. If the price was in line with the rest of Europe I would not hesitate to extend my warranty (and judging by the comments of other visitors to the GS Owners Forum I am not alone) but I cannot bring myself to line the pockets of BMW for no good reason.

Yours sincerely
 
ChasMill said:
I am sure that Australia BMW owners will be surprised to learn that their extended warranty is not worth the paper it is written on if they take their bike outside Australia.......

If the same rules apply to the UK extended warranty (it is useless outside of the UK), then it makes it even worse value for money.
ChasMill,

I completely agree with your position regarding the cost of an extended warranty. However, IMHO, I think you have read too much into Keetch's response regarding the validity of the warranty outside the country of origin. I doubt one would have any problems getting ones (UK) bike repaired under warranty in France. In fact, I have twice called upon BMW car warranties when on holiday in France, without problem.

I think Keetch was referring more to someone living/owning/sourcing & servicing a bike in one country, and paying for a warranty in another country - and then expecting the same cover. But, having said that, there are some (lucky people) who own homes in France; why shouldn't they purchase the cheaper warranty? Surely BMW wouldn't expect someone to buy 2 warranties? And, perhaps, this would be a question worth asking BMW.

atb
 
ChasMill said:
Those nice people at BMW have replied to my version of Wapping's letter as follows:

"I can confirm that all BMW Motorcycles are supplied by the factory with a 24 month world wide unlimited mileage warranty as standard. At the end of this period some countries offer their customers the opportunity to purchase extensions to this warranty. However the coverage, premium and general terms and conditions vary greatly.

As I am sure you may appreciate BMW UK and BMW Australia have very different markets and economies. As such the coverage and the way the warranty is funded will be specific to each country. Legislation governing the sale of warranties will also be different.

An extended warranty purchased from BMW Australia will not be recognised by ourselves or any UK BMW Dealer, therefore it would not be advisable for you to purchase a warranty from Australia, unless the bike was going to be exported there.

I trust this information is of assistance to you.

Yours sincerely,
Jean-Paul Keetch, Warranty Services Advisor"

I am going to write back asking if the European rules apply as we could all easily but in France for less than £150.

I am also going to make a pain in the arse of myself at the NEC next Friday just for the sport.


Point of warning to our Aussie chums - don't bother trying to claim on your extended warranty outside of Australia bexause according to this letter it ain't worth the paper it's written on!

Charlie,

I have just received my reply from Mr Jean-Paul Keech (who sounds worringly French!)

The letter is the same as yours, which suggests it just comes off a word processor. I too will be writing back to Mr Keech asking him to put a bit more effort into explanation as to what the differences are and why the costs vary so much around Europe.

I will also copy in MCN, Bike and Honest John in the Saturday Torygraph.

I would be interested to hear from any of our Cointinental friends what the extended warranty costs in their homelands.

Have fun at the NEC, I shall be toiling away on behalf of ungrateful clients and even more ungrateful underwriters.

Richard
 
Extended guarantees

You cannot but anything of any value nowadays without the dealer offering you an extended guarantee. It is all part of the deal (like finance etc) and you have your choice. It certainly does NOT mean that the item is more likely to go wrong if you pay more! Computers, TV, Telephones, washing machines, fridges etc. An extended guarantee on any of these can be expensive - and nowadays, with luck, they go on until you just hope they will break down to give you an excuse to buy the latest model!
Ask your dealer for his advice - 'is it necessary, would you recommend it?' If you are a good customer he will probably say 'don't worry, we will look after you.'(A good customer is someone who buys a new bike every few years, doesn't quibble about servicing and repair bills, and reccomends 'his' dealer to ohers. Mine is Recchia Motors in Lyon who knows what he is talking about & is not cheap of course but you get what you pay for.)
 
Brian ROSEN said:
You cannot but anything of any value nowadays without the dealer offering you an extended guarantee. It is all part of the deal (like finance etc) and you have your choice. It certainly does NOT mean that the item is more likely to go wrong if you pay more! Computers, TV, Telephones, washing machines, fridges etc. An extended guarantee on any of these can be expensive - and nowadays, with luck, they go on until you just hope they will break down to give you an excuse to buy the latest model!
Ask your dealer for his advice - 'is it necessary, would you recommend it?' If you are a good customer he will probably say 'don't worry, we will look after you.'(A good customer is someone who buys a new bike every few years, doesn't quibble about servicing and repair bills, and reccomends 'his' dealer to ohers. Mine is Recchia Motors in Lyon who knows what he is talking about & is not cheap of course but you get what you pay for.)

Brian,

I think you may be missing the point?

I think a lot of people, including myself, realise that purchase of extended warranty (whether from the original manufacturer or via an insurance policy) is a matter of personal choice and that it's a 'hot sale' item in many shops. Nor is anyone suggesting that, simply by paying £600 for indemnity, is a customer necessarily getting a better extended cover product than one costing, say, £250.

Indeed, whether £600 (less than two ponds a day ie. less than a pint of beer) is ‘Good value’ is a matter of personal opinion. To one person it might be a price worth paying to bring peace of mind, whilst to another it would look like a complete rip-off. It certainly might be ‘Good value’ if the vehicle failed dramatically and required perhaps a thousand pounds of work done. But, if nothing failed, it might look less so. That is always the problem with insurance type products, if the customer sees them only as an investment ‘guaranteeing’ at least a 100% return within a reasonably short period.

Whether or not a ‘friendly dealer’ waived a substantial bill for work gone one of warranty would, of course, depend on a host of factors, including I guess:

Goodwill

The cost of repairing the failure

The amount of money the person had spent in the dealer’s over the year

The cause of the failure

The timing of the failure

Whether the dealer might be able to recover all or part of the bill from BumW

However, how successful the claimant might be is naturally very variable. I doubt if any dealer would give a blank cheque, verbal promise, to any customer, no matter how valuable.

What I am trying to find out from BumW is why the cost, for what appears to be very similar products, varies so widely. Maybe I am wrong and there is a huge difference in the quality of the indemnity in the UK (apparently the most expensive) when compared with another country’s? If so, fine. I am also trying to find out if a British owner bought a similar product in say, Australia or France, whether the indemnity would apply to the UK bike? BumW seem reluctant to answer my first set of direct questions, giving a very bland (non-committal) response) so I will try to shake the tree again to see if any choice fruits drop down.

As you are in France I would be very pleased if you could find out:

(a) Does BumW France only ‘guarantee’ its bikes for two years? If no, for what period does the manufacturer’s original guarantee run?

(b) Does BumW France sell third year warranty cover?

(c) If yes. What does it cost and what does it cover?

Any other none UK owners wishing to answer feel free to contribute.

Richard
 
missing the point

OK - perhaps I did and I have tried to make amends by investigating in France. Whatever has been written on this thread before, as far as my Dealer is concerned there is normally NO possibility of a guarantee extension after the two year period. However if you buy a bike from them on the 'never - never' (if you still use that term) the repayments which have to be made in three years do include a guarantee. ( Well it is still their bike really!) Obviously it is impossible to canculate the guarantee cost. I can tell you that if you want a 1200GS it will only cost you 240€ a month for three years - BUT IT A'INT YOURS AT THE END - unless you pay a further 7,890€ making a total of 16,500€ (normal cost 13,150€)
 
Wicker said:
Cars are equally, if not more complex than bikes. Cars are also generally far more expensive to purchase yet you can purchase extended warranties for far less than the £600 per year BMW want for a bike.

Actually, my M3 is coming to the end of its warrannty period now (3 years old), and the last time I checked, BMW want £1,700 to extend it for a year.

I am in two minds about taking it out. I do very few miles in the car, so I will be paying over the odds, but if I sell it, the next buyer does not have the option of reinstating a lapsed warranty, so it may hurt the resale cost.

So, as a third way, I am trying a new M5 tomorrow :D

See, I won't let the bastards get me down!
 
Feck! You could buy a nice car for £1700 - get a new one every year.
 
NorthernBoy said:
Actually, my M3 is coming to the end of its warrannty period now (3 years old), and the last time I checked, BMW want £1,700 to extend it for a year.

I am in two minds about taking it out. I do very few miles in the car, so I will be paying over the odds, but if I sell it, the next buyer does not have the option of reinstating a lapsed warranty, so it may hurt the resale cost.

So, as a third way, I am trying a new M5 tomorrow :D

See, I won't let the bastards get me down!

Sure, buy another BM :mmmm
 


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