Brakes again 1100GS 97

Totally p#ssed off, bled everything again using pneumatic kit over and over again and still no bloody brakes.
Hit the exhaust studs with some mig power, still cant get them out, another weekend wasted :thedummy
 
Totally p#ssed off, bled everything again using pneumatic kit over and over again and still no bloody brakes.
Hit the exhaust studs with some mig power, still cant get them out, another weekend wasted :thedummy

Hello mate,

Sorry to hear that. But what is the problem: does it get spongy or does it pump up?

Anyhow, this August i also bleed the system completely - as I had to remove the pistons of the calipers and the only way to get them ok, was to leave the lever tied up for 3 days...

It this doesn't work, you do have a problem in your system. I can leave my phone number here if you want further help.
 
They do pump up slightly but basically the lever comes straight back to the bar even after strapped up overnight. Can still hear air in the ABS unit when i pump the lever but no air comes out when i bleed it, also if i give the lever loads of fast pumps the fluid that returns to the master cylinder is foaming with air, its got to be trapped somewhere but buggered if i know.
 
They do pump up slightly but basically the lever comes straight back to the bar even after strapped up overnight. Can still hear air in the ABS unit when i pump the lever but no air comes out when i bleed it, also if i give the lever loads of fast pumps the fluid that returns to the master cylinder is foaming with air, its got to be trapped somewhere but buggered if i know.

Ok! Trust me on this one - leave it for a few days (I presume you will not ride it anyway).
Every night untie the strap, turn the handle bar to both sides a few times, apply the brake a few times and put the strap back on.

The air will come out and the more you have, the more time will take to get it out. The trouble is you have lots of air in the system and bleeding will not solve it - that's because of the ABS Modulator...

Follow this religiously and by Wed or Thrus you will have or bike ok!

If this doesn't work, you will have another more serious problem (eventually a small leak somewhere) - but I doubt it.
 
patience patience, will start the process tonight, looking at the post above on abs on a 1100, i have connected my battery twice but never heard any noise from my abs, has it got a pump and is it supposed to make a noise ? cheers
 
1100's use ABS II which is non servo and only makes noise as the system actuates or a "clank clank" as you leave some junctions

If Nunsafs Idea doesn't work why not get some sort of vessel which you can attach a long length of rubber hose and hang it from the rafters open the front bleed nipple on the ABS block and connect the hose and fill the vessel with say a cupfull of brake fluid

Even a cup worth of brake fluid a foot above the master cylinder will provide pressure then go and have yer tea and come back and see what happens?

I haven't ever got to the stage of frustration that you have and I'm just trying to think of a way to help

I think the banjo bolts at the head stock can be right cnuts and trap wee pockets of air if they've been emptied
 
Thanks, i am grateful for all advice, a mate came round last night and he suggested removing the bleed nipples from the abs unit and having a look inside as this is where i can hear the swishing of air, i will give it a go.
 
update

Well, i got back in there after 3 days of pumping and cable tie, still nothing :thedummy.
So after a chat with Blue when he collected my panniers, he told me about his clutch master cylinder failing on a trip to France, so tonight to prove the cylinder i fitted a Brembo master cylinder from a Ducati and pushed fluid from the caliper up through the lines filling the master cylinder, pumped the lever,nothing. I then bled the system again completly, still nothing, with no air coming out of the calipers or ABS. When pumping both front and rear i can still hear swishing in the ABS unit so the only conclusion i can come to is there is a problem with the unit and air is trapped. After weeks of struggling and wasted time i think i have two choices, take it to a dealer or bypass the ABS as i have run out of time.
 
With the collection of bikes you have Den, have some patience:augie

Can't remember much about it but when I had my brake fluid changes by a m8 I seem to remember him doing it from te ABS unit, still I could be wrong, I am no mechanic:augie

Dommie is working, at the moment, at least:thumb
 
Well, i got back in there after 3 days of pumping and cable tie, still nothing :thedummy.
So after a chat with Blue when he collected my panniers, he told me about his clutch master cylinder failing on a trip to France, so tonight to prove the cylinder i fitted a Brembo master cylinder from a Ducati and pushed fluid from the caliper up through the lines filling the master cylinder, pumped the lever,nothing. I then bled the system again completly, still nothing, with no air coming out of the calipers or ABS. When pumping both front and rear i can still hear swishing in the ABS unit so the only conclusion i can come to is there is a problem with the unit and air is trapped. After weeks of struggling and wasted time i think i have two choices, take it to a dealer or bypass the ABS as i have run out of time.

ive bypassed my rear caliper from abs unit...usin a link directly to caliper and rear master cylinder...works fine ...
ill be swappin the bloody lot out later wen i get some goodridge banjos to do the whole job...

i dont need bloody abs

ugg
 
Well, i got back in there after 3 days of pumping and cable tie, still nothing :thedummy.
So after a chat with Blue when he collected my panniers, he told me about his clutch master cylinder failing on a trip to France, so tonight to prove the cylinder i fitted a Brembo master cylinder from a Ducati and pushed fluid from the caliper up through the lines filling the master cylinder, pumped the lever,nothing. I then bled the system again completly, still nothing, with no air coming out of the calipers or ABS. When pumping both front and rear i can still hear swishing in the ABS unit so the only conclusion i can come to is there is a problem with the unit and air is trapped. After weeks of struggling and wasted time i think i have two choices, take it to a dealer or bypass the ABS as i have run out of time.

Hi Den,

Last time you looked at the system was on Sunday and if you changed the master cylinder yesterday at night (Tuesday)... that doesn't make 3 days!? does it :confused:?

Anyhow, by yesterday you should have the brakes better (maybe not perfect though). If you have air trapped in the ABS, the tie thingy should be able to solve it. Again, if you have air in the system, it is a matter of time until all comes up.

I have a 1999 1150GS so maybe the ABS is different, but when I took it to the dealer (I was also despairing) and they wouldn't do anything different from what we have discussed here -> they would not connect the ABS Modulator to any electronic gismo to bleed the system (so they said)...

Anyhow, what I suggest is (if driveable) to take it to the dealer and ask to assist to the fixing - at least you will learn something (or not... :mmmm )
 
OK, i did cut the 3 day routine short by a day but only cos i had an idea the master cylinder was u/s.
So master cylinder is ok, got to remove the Duke one and reinstall the original, taking it to a dealer is a last resort as i suspect you are right they won't do anymore than i have and putting it together and lumping it into a van is not ideal (dont really want to hump a GS about with no brakes).
The other odd thing is why am i getting the same on the rear as they are separate circuits as far as i know ?
I need to concentrate on these abs pots i am thinking of breaking one of the unions and forcing fluid into the thing as i have not much to loose with the next option being to bypass anyway.
Main reason for post after post is i get the niggly feeling its something simple that i have not thought of, thought i had cracked it when the BM tec said you need to force the pistons back in the bores and hold them there but no :blast
Yes i do have a few bikes (Richie) but none that would survive the winter salt an brine or whatever caustic shite they are going to chuck about this year, the Pan sailed through last year no probs but sadly sold it (mistake me thinks), i have prepped the Blackbird as backup but not ideal winter hack (too nice) Busa is 10 months old and don't want to get it dirty ha. Bandit is for sale so don't want to get that dirty either. The GS was bought as a project and to get through the winter (here already !).
As a note i was at George White in swindon the other Sun and was looking at a blokes Street Triple now i like them but what that would look like after a winter is anyones guess.
 
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OK, i did cut the 3 day routine short by a day but only cos i had an idea the master cylinder was u/s.
So master cylinder is ok, got to remove the Duke one and reinstall the original, taking it to a dealer is a last resort as i suspect you are right they won't do anymore than i have and putting it together and lumping it into a van is not ideal (dont really want to hump a GS about with no brakes).
The other odd thing is why am i getting the same on the rear as they are separate circuits as far as i know ?
I need to concentrate on these abs pots i am thinking of breaking one of the unions and forcing fluid into the thing as i have not much to loose with the next option being to bypass anyway.
Main reason for post after post is i get the niggly feeling its something simple that i have not thought of, thought i had cracked it when the BM tec said you need to force the pistons back in the bores and hold them there but no :blast
Yes i do have a few bikes (Richie) but none that would survive the winter salt an brine or whatever caustic shite they are going to chuck about this year, the Pan sailed through last year no probs but sadly sold it (mistake me thinks), i have prepped the Blackbird as backup but not ideal winter hack (too nice) Busa is 10 months old and don't want to get it dirty ha. Bandit is for sale so don't want to get that dirty either. The GS was bought as a project and to get through the winter (here already !).
As a note i was at George White in swindon the other Sun and was looking at a blokes Street Triple now i like them but what that would look like after a winter is anyones guess.

Ok Den, fair enough :) on the 3 day routine. It was anyhow just a reference. The important thing is to understand that if your problem is air trapped in the system, applying a strap to the lever and tie it to the handlebar will do the trick and the more air you have, the more time you will need to get rid of it.
Give me a ring on the 0780 737 8891 if you need help
 
cheers, have pm'ed St Toe for advice on bypassing (as he hasen't commented yet :confused:)
Goin home now will check in later as i am hoping it won't take me the 2.5hrs it did last night (40 min journey !)
 
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Well removed Duke bits and plumbed the original master cylinder back in, filled it by pushing fluid up from caliper, then opened the ABS bleed and pumped fluid in and through to the resorvour (no air). pumped the lever madly, no pressure but loads of foam and air. Then pushed more through and no air coming out just clear fluid so i am bolloxed if i know where the air is getting whipped into the fluid.
I then pushed more through which jetted in a high arc and covered some more of my tools in poxy fluid, in my haste to shut the nipple to clear it up i knocked the bike and the open waste fluid bottle fell off the back of the bike and all over the floor just missing (as far as i can see !) my blackbird so not best chuffed. Still nowt on the lever so pumped it up and tied it off.
Some photos of the chaos.
Pick of the jury rigged Duke master cylinder, now dismantled.
Brake kit i bought
and if anyone has any tips on getting the snapped 6m allen key stuck in the middle of the gearbox drain plug :mad:
 

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Hi Den
I have been reading the problems you have had bleeding your bike, i to have just change all the front brakes pipes and can relate with your frustrations. I had no brake at the lever until tonight i decided to take the wood out from the calipers and replace the wheel, pumped the lever to get the pads back to the disc's and now i have a healthly lever. I had soft wood wedged in the calipers and this must have been compressing and giving a soft lever. Try putting the wheel back in it might work
Good Luck!!
 
Studs

Put a decent arc welder electrode on the end of the stud (earth clamp on the head) leave it till the stud gets red hot or as hot a poss let it cool and it will probably come out with ease. This needs a good welder not a mig or an air cooled diy job.
 
Yeh, tried my old mig and no good, if i can get it to my mates works he will sort it but hes gone on hols. I am loosing the plot with it a bit am starting to think i may throw the towel in and shift it as a project as i need a winter hack urgently.
 


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