Brand new Moto Guzzi v100s corrosion

[Fluffmeister]

My experience of Bmw is that they treat there customers very different to MG.

I think it is mainly down to the dealer, I had an excellent dealer in Chester Motorrad (Now Chester KTM, not the jokers at Halliwell Jones) who really fought my corner and got a result for me in my corrosion issues with the GS LC and the RT LC. BMW were really angling towards it being my fault, my cleaning regime, the products I used, the U.K. road salt so we danced a merry dance until things were authorised. Without the dealer backing me up, I fully believe BMW were just looking at o pay lip service to it all and fob me off. They kept me in the loop and copied in on all the correspondence.

With any of this, a good dealer is the key, and this is the major failing in your scenario so far IMHO, the factory could do more though, especially now they have seen the evidence.

 

[DING-DONG]

, a good dealer is the key, and this is the major failing in your scenario so far IMHO, the factory could do more though, especially now they have seen the evidence.

Things do go wrong now and again, what matters is the way it’s dealt with and the remedy and this goes to show what a massive failure Mororcycle and scooter centre are.

Andrew Webster-Noble agrees it’s not what they expect from Moto Guzzi and my points are valid.

Roz Webster-Noble, she states it’s only minor imperfections and fully useable so my rejection isn’t valid.

I’m sure if Mrs Webster-Noble was a buyer she wouldn’t accept the so called minor imperfections, there’s a difference between brand new and used and this bike did not resemble a brand new bike.

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

My experience is very different, in fact the exact opposite. I've only ever had 1 major problem with MG. A warped clutch plate fitted at the factory. (V85TT). Quickly remedied with zero hassle. Several small issues, again remedied with zero hassle.
BMW on the other hand. I bought a new 1200 GS WC in 2013. The faults were extensive including severe engine corrosion. They fitted a new engine, but did little to rectify the other issues, appalling gearbox, strange wobble between 40-65 mph. After a couple of months the new engine was starting to corrode. BMW wanted to fit another engine and final drive. I wanted to reject the bike. I was advised I would not be able to reject the bike after 6 months.
In the end I P/exd the bike for a Guzzi Stelvio and have never looked back. I was totally honest with the dealer and told him of the problems with the bike. I never saw it up for resale and he told me some years later it was sent to auction. I think I lost about 5k on that bike in 6 months but, hey ho that's life. And it did inadvertently lead me into Guzzi ownership for which I am eternally grateful.
I'm really sorry for your wo's DingDong. Which is a real shame because (in my mind) Guzzis really are something special.

And yet by your own admission all of your V85s have been rusty even when brand new.
I'm not having a pop and it's great that you're delighted with MG but this thread and your post has put me off them which is a shame as I really like the V85.

 

[GSite]

Don't let the thread put you off a V85TT if you really like the bike, owned one from new, no issues other than fuel flap and a tinge of rust near one of the cush driver rubbers sorted myself and never a problem thereafter. I turned up at the dealer as the pdi was about to be done and the mechanic was happy to talk me through as he did it. Just find the right bike with no corrosion which has been owned by someone who knows how to look after it.

 

[Wrinkly]

And yet by your own admission all of your V85s have been rusty even when brand new.
I'm not having a pop and it's great that you're delighted with MG but this thread and your post has put me off them which is a shame as I really like the V85.

Lets not catastrophise what I said. It wasn't any sort of admission, I was clearly stating 'That on the V85TT model there is a tendency for the inner casing on the final drive to have some rust.' It is a bare metal area that is open to the elements due to a 1/8th" gap between the final drive and the housing where the cush rubbers sit. I doubt if you never took the rear wheel off you would never notice it and it would never have any detrimental effect on the bike. It was merely a pointer for owners who would prefer for it not to be there.
Think of brake discs that can form surface rust overnight, similar sort of thing. Except you can't apply anything to the discs to stop this.
Yes, maybe something should be done at the factory, maybe the don't even know as it's not actually a problem. I like to keep my bikes as nice as possible and have no problem in spending 10 minutes and about 20p to do this.
Folks can spend £500 protecting their brand new bikes from corrosion. Is this because of manufacturing inadequacies?
The mind boggles as to why it would put you off buying a V85.

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Fair enough, it wasn't meant as a pop at you which I'd hoped to make clear in my post but maybe the use of the word 'admission ' was a poor choice.
The fact remains, however, that MG appear to be selling brand new, rusty motorcycles.
If, however, you're happy then I'm happy.

 

[AustinW]

I’ve had my V85 from new in 2019. 30,000 miles. No rust. Some of the powder coat on the front engine cover is beginning to go as is the powder coat on a small bit of the RH switchgear. Otherwise it remains in fabulous condition. Much much better than the GSA I had when it was 4 years old and similar miles. Same for the Hondas, and Yamahas I’ve also owned from the last 20 odd years but not as good as Hondas and BMWs I had from the 70’s and 80s which really did seem to be rust and corrosion proof. Better stickier paint I believe.

I’ve also not really had any issues or reliability problems with the V85. Nor do I hear of many. Any actually. A couple of loose fasteners when new were easy to tighten. Weep of oil from the FD - 1/2 hour at the dealers. All well documented and known about. Last week the main fuse blew which appears to be due to a crappily installed connector in the fuse carrier. Annoying but easily fixed. It seems to be issues in QC at the factory on what I would guess is either bought in or factory sub-assemblies.

If it had a bit less wind noise and buffeting it would be the best bike I’ve owned. A few more horses and torques wouldn’t go amiss though (I do a lot two-up). The new ones with improved screen and aerodynamics could tempt me.

 

[SBD]

I’ve had my Guzzi for around 35 years now. It’s alright.

 

[theoneandonly]

OK, lets talk about rusty Guzzi's

The fact remains, however, that MG appear to be selling brand new, rusty motorcycles.

in the good ole days , frames were put on an overhead conveyor , they would go through the factory , and loop around ....wait for it .....outside .
so Friday conveyor gets turned off ....4-5 frames hanging outside ...Monday conveyor turned back on ....frames go in to be painted .
and people were surprised when bikes were rejected, in the crate, by the dealers.

 

[Wrinkly]

Fair enough, it wasn't meant as a pop at you which I'd hoped to make clear in my post but maybe the use of the word 'admission ' was a poor choice.
The fact remains, however, that MG appear to be selling brand new, rusty motorcycles.
If, however, you're happy then I'm happy.

Not taken as a pop. Generally Guzzis these days are very well put together. Sadly, as with any manufacturer, there will always be the odd rouge bike. Don't let it put you off, they are fine motorcycles. Go on, give the V85 a go. I could almost guarantee it wouldn't be your last Guzzi. And have a lovely Christmas.

 

[Wrinkly]

I’ve had my V85 from new in 2019. 30,000 miles. No rust. Some of the powder coat on the front engine cover is beginning to go as is the powder coat on a small bit of the RH switchgear. Otherwise it remains in fabulous condition. Much much better than the GSA I had when it was 4 years old and similar miles. Same for the Hondas, and Yamahas I’ve also owned from the last 20 odd years but not as good as Hondas and BMWs I had from the 70’s and 80s which really did seem to be rust and corrosion proof. Better stickier paint I believe.

I’ve also not really had any issues or reliability problems with the V85. Nor do I hear of many. Any actually. A couple of loose fasteners when new were easy to tighten. Weep of oil from the FD - 1/2 hour at the dealers. All well documented and known about. Last week the main fuse blew which appears to be due to a crappily installed connector in the fuse carrier. Annoying but easily fixed. It seems to be issues in QC at the factory on what I would guess is either bought in or factory sub-assemblies.

If it had a bit less wind noise and buffeting it would be the best bike I’ve owned. A few more horses and torques wouldn’t go amiss though (I do a lot two-up). The new ones with improved screen and aerodynamics could tempt me.

As for wind noise Austin. I use the bottom half only from a GIVI airflow. It really works for me.

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Grand, TY.
You too, have a great one.

 

[FatAl]

Fair enough, it wasn't meant as a pop at you which I'd hoped to make clear in my post but maybe the use of the word 'admission ' was a poor choice.
The fact remains, however, that MG appear to be selling brand new, rusty motorcycles.
If, however, you're happy then I'm happy.

I've no issues with my V85tt or my previous two Stelvios. The finish on them seemed far better than on the previously owned R1150GS I had.
I wouldn't have a modern BMW motorcycle, well nothing newer than 2004. Their quality seemed to nose dive after that. I've had four air heads and the finish was excellent, much better than the modern stuff.

 

[barak666]

I've no issues with my V85tt or my previous two Stelvios. The finish on them seemed far better than on the previously owned R1150GS I had.
I wouldn't have a modern BMW motorcycle, well nothing newer than 2004. Their quality seemed to nose dive after that. I've had four air heads and the finish was excellent, much better than the modern stuff.

Totally agree. Owned my V85TT since 2021 which had 200 miles on it when I brought it. 15K+ miles later with no problems I can honestly say its one of the best bikes I've ever owned. I ride all year round so keep it pretty clean but I've not encountered any rust or corrosion other than the untreated alternator cover at the front of the engine, which I keep on top of. Build quality as far as I'm concerned is excellent and would certainly buy another Moto Guzzi if I was in the market for a new bike.

 

[Jazbee]

Totally agree. Owned my V85TT since 2021 which had 200 miles on it when I brought it. 15K+ miles later with no problems I can honestly say its one of the best bikes I've ever owned. I ride all year round so keep it pretty clean but I've not encountered any rust or corrosion other than the untreated alternator cover at the front of the engine, which I keep on top of. Build quality as far as I'm concerned is excellent and would certainly buy another Moto Guzzi if I was in the market for a new bike.

Agreed with all that, yeah alternator cover needs to be kept clean, fitting Caponord front mudguard and Pyramid extenda really helps. Really is a peach of a bike to ride and tour on

 

[Jurassic Mark]

I’ve followed this thread wi to interest. I am now wondering how many potential MG owners have been put off and will go else where. And I suspect that anyone who has read this and still decides they want a Guzzi (I’m probably in this group) would definitely not visit this dealership.

What I don’t get is the reputational loss seems less important to the dealer than hanging onto £500. Very short sighted and a Very bad business decision in my opinion.

All the more so as this thread is so accessible via Google and will continue to be as the matter is going to small claims court. This is not a quick process so the damage will continue to be done for many months, maybe longer. Especially pertinent as Ding Dong is in the right and will win.

 

[stever1]

I was looking at a v1000 in marsaxlokk on Thursday. The witness marks on some of the fasteners didn’t line up. but the paint was ok.

 

[DING-DONG]

The 14th day to reply was today and no reply so now stage 2, are they thinking because i have most of my money back I'm now just calling there bluff ?

Not sure how they can actually defend themselves because i have a admission from Andrew @ MSC that the bike arrived like it and basically blame moto guzzi, plus how can they charge £200 pdi when pdi never even noted the corrosion - scratches and loose fasteners probably because no pdi was actually carried out, i also strongly believe they delivered it 2 days earlier in the dark to mask the issues.

Its very simple "not of satisfactory quality"

As a business this is suicidal, i get daily likes from google for the review i left on there google listing.

 

[Cortina]

I was looking at a v1000 in marsaxlokk on Thursday. The witness marks on some of the fasteners didn’t line up. but the paint was ok.

Is that Ten times bigger than a V100 ?? (asking for a friend !)

 

[Paradiso]

A new bike is a big investment. The state of the Moto Guzzi V100 you were delivered by Motorcycle & Scooter Centre Ltd was completely unacceptable. I hope you recoup all of your losses.

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