Nor have I. I regularly ride two 2007 RTps, abs issues, corrosion and one had a driveshaft failure, the other has just had a final drive replacement, they have only covered around 29k. My own 2014 bike which I bought used, covered 25k in just over 2 years, no corrosion, no issues. My 1250, 4k in 10 months, no issue, no leaking callipers, no engine failure, not worried at all, just enjoying the bike.
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Nor have I. I regularly ride two 2007 RTps, abs issues, corrosion and one had a driveshaft failure, the other has just had a final drive replacement, they have only covered around 29k. My own 2014 bike which I bought used, covered 25k in just over 2 years, no corrosion, no issues. My 1250, 4k in 10 months, no issue, no leaking callipers, no engine failure, not worried at all, just enjoying the bike.
Do you not expect pay rises periodically at work then? I bet the workers at bmw and in the supply chain of bmw or any other business do. Costs rise constantly even when everything else stands still, it’s naive to expect otherwise.
Phrased badly. I meant to type that price increases doesn't necessarily reflect increased cost to the supplier and you'd be naive to think otherwise
Yeah read that Nutty but there is nothing about Shiftcam Failure?!?!? So I'll ask again where have you read the comments about the suggested shiftcam failure or are you resorting to your favourite pastime of wooden spoon remarks and stirring the pot
Ah ok, my mistake then, as the bikes have been rejected due to engine failures. Either way, it’s not good, is it?
I may not have owned a 1250, but I’ve owned several LC’s (so have a lot more experience of these bikes than you do
), and these issues have been going on since it came out in 2013. Hell, I even rejected one, as it wasn’t made properly. 
But you keep burying your head in the sand, and think that I’m shit stirring.
Roger that
No, any issue with any bike be it bmw, ktm, honda etc is bad news, but as we all know shit happens and the world goes round. Heyho we all make mistakes
I may not have owned a 1250, but I’ve owned several LC’s (so have a lot more experience of these bikes than you do
But you keep burying your head in the sand, and think that I’m shit stirring.
Well I had a very bad experience with a KTM Super Duke, dealers were absolutely useless, several warranty issues, but had to fight every inch of the way. Same with a 30k Harley I owned. But unlike you I don't feel the need to frequent KTM or Harley forums and diss their products at every opportunity. Mainly because I understand every manufacturer has issues and to me its how they are handled by them that really counts. Plus the number of bikes with issues are normally a very small number compared to the number of units sold, maybe we ought to start a "I'm happy with my BMW and have had no issues" thread
maybe we ought to start a "I'm happy with my BMW and have had no issues" thread
Funnily enough, I did exactly that when I had a GS. But then it was frequented by horrible KTM owners, and they made me cwy.
*if* as you say "the vast majority it’s down to slight roughing of the bores meaning the piston allows leakage past the seals" then that suggests two things:
1. Poor manufacturing tolerances by Hayes. Manufacturing gets more expensive the closer your tolerances are.
2. Poor quality control by BMW. Quality control is expensive. If the dealer can find an issue at PDI why can't BMW find it before it leaves the factory? Hardly inspires confidence.
However ... I love my 1250. And the callipers don't leak.
I agree with your points, I just don't know if the bike would be fully tested for sub components like that before it's shipped? My dealer told me that they have a more local place that receives the bikes from BMW and assembles them, followed by the PDI. So if other dealerships use this same process they could theoretically not know until the PDI, so they've potentially picked it up as soon as the problem has actually presented itself.
I would like to think that each one is pressure tested before being signed off, I just don't know if that would be enough time to witness the leak happening or not? I don't know the overall leak rates and if it's greatly accelerated under pressure or not.
Definitely agree that it could be down to cost cutting though. Alternatively it could be a simple mistake on a batch that ran through a certain CNC machine with a dull tool, or someone that had punched a slightly wrong coding sequence into his machine? Who knows.
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I have had Hayes brakes on my mountain bikes for years and they have been great. My r1250 +GS is over 12 mths old and coming up to 16000km. The Hayes brakes are great. No problems, you can stand the thing on its nose. A couple of bad batches, similar to the spoke issue. They sorted the spokes they will sort the brakes!
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I agree, it’s a manufacturing issue. What I don’t buy into as some are indicating is that it’s inherent to Hayes as an inferior manufacturer.
For 1 we don’t even know if they are assembled by Hayes or by bmw and a process of honing has been skipped post Hayes etc etc. Until it’s known everything else is speculation and it helps no one and solves nothing. It’s a waiting game for those with leaky 1250’s, and those potential owners can choose not to buy.
It could be worse, people could have ordered a Norton. They have shiney Brembo’s.
Delboy777
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We are into 9 pages now regarding a problem that has bothered a minor number of bikes.
And, not surprising, it turns into the usual rant about lowering quality.
The mantra is that the older bikes where better built.
I do agree that the old BMW's where quality bikes. But we tend to forget that they were more expensive as well.
My very first BMW bike did cost an average worker 1,5 years of wages, while now a new BMW GS costs 0,6 years of wages. BMW charged the same price for the 1250 as they did for the 1200 from the year before.
BMW cuts costs to accommodate the customers. If we where willing to pay for the 'old times' quality I feel confident that BMW would be more than happy to build them and sell them. But as many customers are reluctant to even pay the price for a descent oilfilter, I don't think this will ever happen.
That said, even with all the whining around, I find my current 1250GSA to be the best BMW I've owned up until now. And I share this experience with several of my friends.
And, not surprising, it turns into the usual rant about lowering quality.
The mantra is that the older bikes where better built.
I do agree that the old BMW's where quality bikes. But we tend to forget that they were more expensive as well.
My very first BMW bike did cost an average worker 1,5 years of wages, while now a new BMW GS costs 0,6 years of wages. BMW charged the same price for the 1250 as they did for the 1200 from the year before.
BMW cuts costs to accommodate the customers. If we where willing to pay for the 'old times' quality I feel confident that BMW would be more than happy to build them and sell them. But as many customers are reluctant to even pay the price for a descent oilfilter, I don't think this will ever happen.
That said, even with all the whining around, I find my current 1250GSA to be the best BMW I've owned up until now. And I share this experience with several of my friends.
My Atco motor mower broke down the other day , ffs , 1921 and no chance of support , oh well …..quality not as good as it was...Now if BMW made a mower that would be nice...
tw99
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I agree.
How far back do people's rose tinted spectacles need to go to find a "quality" BMW anyway ? My R12GS has so far been more reliable over 5 years than the R1150RS I had in 2001.
Delboy777
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You need to have orange tinted glasses
Thats a nasty condition, makes you delusional i heard
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