Corrosion : yes or no ?

[Nutty]

Hi Nutty...I would have said exactly the same as you, but I can assure you, those words came out of the mouth of the salesman selling me the bike.

He said that it had already happened as a guy turned up expecting to hand the bike back and was told they didn't want it.

I'm at the dealership this week and will ask the question again....as I said, this is 'apparently' what happened as I can only say what I was told, and word of mouth is always open to interpretation.

I sincerely hope I am wrong and will report back once I've asked the question again. If I get a moment, I'll email them


sk8mutie

Your dealer may not want to take it back, but BMW has to. It's on the contract.

Before you want to get rid, ask the dealer for a trade in value. If that's less than you owe, phone or email BMW and tell them you don't want the bike any more, and they will collect it from you, or instruct your chosen dealer to accept it back on their behalf.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

That's not correct.

PCP contracts on vehicles clearly state that you have the option to hand the vehicle back at the end of the term. Under a regulated credit agreement, consumers are entitled to hand the product back after making 50% or more of the liability under the agreement, without penalty.

Let BMW pick up the residual dips

 

[sk8mutie]

Your dealer may not want to take it back, but BMW has to. It's on the contract.

Before you want to get rid, ask the dealer for a trade in value. If that's less than you owe, phone or email BMW and tell them you don't want the bike any more, and they will collect it from you, or instruct your chosen dealer to accept it back on their behalf.

Ah sweet. That makes sense....why didn't I think about that??

That's what you get for posting too late in the evening!! I've emailed the dealership about it anyway, but yes, if they don't want it, perhaps because they are completely toppers with bikes, then BMW will obviously honour the contract (that I clearly haven't read recently )

A note on depreciation....and I know it's worse the earlier on you are in your PCP, but I put 3k down as a deposit in Dec 15....saw the ADV in white a few weeks ago and thought, I need one. Asked for a price to change and was told I'd need a grand to pay off the PCP and then would have to find the deposit. So that's 4K in 8 months.....I know it's how they make money and they'll give you the square root of feck all, but 4K...holy bejeebus!!



sk8mutie

 

[sven]

+1 As my new engine has already started showing the white flecks after 1500 dry miles in couple of months since it was fitted, I'm resigned to the fact there's f-all I can do to stop it

Resurrecting an old thread, but my seven month old R1250GS has some of the dreaded white flecks appearing in the usual place i.e. the joint between the left hand cylinder head and engine block. It hasn’t seen a salted road either (unless the passes in the Pyrenees were salted at the end of May).

The replacement engine on my 1200 never got any worse than a few flecks, but I’m still p*ssed off the same issue is occurring on new bikes

 

[malcopopolo]

Resurrecting an old thread, but my seven month old R1250GS has some of the dreaded white flecks appearing in the usual place i.e. the joint between the left hand cylinder head and engine block. It hasn’t seen a salted road either (unless the passes in the Pyrenees were salted at the end of May).

The replacement engine on my 1200 never got any worse than a few flecks, but I’m still p*ssed off the same issue is occurring on new bikes

And we still buy them.... Thats why BMW will not do much about the problem. You would have thought the new 1250 would be better in terms of engine corrosion.

My 2nd LC has black engine & drive shaft. If it corrodes in the future badly then a rattle can will be used

 

[stick]

13plate 16 plate and now the 1250 , never had any corrosion apart from where a stone chip has caused a tiny bit of rust as would any bike .
Keep mine clean and ride all year ( pleasure only ) key for me has been the cleaning and care I have taken with my bike but as I said it is used for weekends and holidays .

 

[B15ape1981]

Had my 1250 since Feb just over 18'000 on the clock not a hint of rust, but saying that a do bathe her in ACF 50 like Del boy uses Brut

Just purchased some of the xcp rust blocker to use on some of the heavier hit areas as its apprantly good shit... If you ride and enjoy your bike as much as i do a little love and cares got to be worth it

 

[Nutty]

I rode my GS’s all year round, never used ACF50, and none of them had any corrosion anywhere. I did make sure I washed the bike after riding on gritted roads, if the bike got wet.

 

[johnmarshall1965]

And I regret to have to say I am another to suffer from the white fleck corrosion. Bought my BMW 1250 GS in December 2019 as a 19 plate GS with 5k miles and previously owned by BMW and bought from BMW Sunderland. Been out on it 3 times and then lock down came. I have done less than 400 miles on it. I have added quite a few expensive extras (new screen, engine bars, panniers and tops box, etc). I was cleaning it a couple of weeks back and noticed the dreaded white corrosion bubbles starting on both side where the engine block joins the cylinders. NOT HAPPY on a 12 month old bike and have emailed both BMW and the dealer seeking to reject the bike and get a refund. No answer from the dealer at the moment as they are closed until further notice. BMW Motorrad have responded say it is not them and to contact the dealer to get it inspected

I had the same issues on a 2014 RT I had and have to say at the time they accepted the problem and replaced the engine at 12k miles. However I had to fight to get them to extend the warranty because the bike was coming to the end of 2 years and my argument was when it was out of warranty the same thing could happen to my replacement engine. They extended the warranty but the whole thing left a sour taste and I wasn't happy. Also it never looks good selling a bike which has had an engine swap, whatever the reason

The bike itself is great and goes like stink and yes you can tell there is a big difference between the old and the new engine (I was a sceptic) but for corrosion to be happening on a £17k bike in less than 12 months is quite honestly pathetic and completely unacceptable and I don't want to keep the bike even if they swap the engine as it has spoiled my experience

 

[GSite]

Sorry to hear that, the fact that it is on both sides smacks of poor quality, hopefully they won't have a leg to stand on in that case. With your previous experiences I am sure you are used to fighting the corner but you should not have to as you say on a bike that new with low miles. The best of luck.

 

[Mr Bean]

And I regret to have to say I am another to suffer from the white fleck corrosion. Bought my BMW 1250 GS in December 2019 as a 19 plate GS with 5k miles and previously owned by BMW and bought from BMW Sunderland.

I suspect you'll have a hell of a job to reject a used bike for cosmetic reasons. You'll more likely get a new engine under warranty.

 

[Packer]

................. but for corrosion to be happening on a £17k bike in less than 12 months is quite honestly pathetic and completely unacceptable..................

As was said in the older part of the thread, as long as folk keep renting or buying the product quality won't improve. Will you buy another one?

 

[stick]

I rode my GS’s all year round, never used ACF50, and none of them had any corrosion anywhere. I did make sure I washed the bike after riding on gritted roads, if the bike got wet.

With you there , same here , no corrosion on mine or previous bikes .

 

[Nutty]

I suspect you'll have a hell of a job to reject a used bike for cosmetic reasons. You'll more likely get a new engine under warranty.

If he’d owned it from new, he’d have more of a chance, but on a used bike, it may be tricky.

 

[johnmarshall1965]

I understand the problems I face. However whilst it was a used purchase it was originally a bmw owned bike and is only 12 months and still covered by manufacturers warranty.
I also don’t consider it only a “cosmetic” issue. The engine is a visible finish and part of the bike. If it was a car and the paint started corroding on the surface it wouldn’t be acceptable
I look after my bikes very well. Wash them after every ride with Autoglym and mit. No power washes or chemical cleaners.Shouldn't have to expect to use ACF to stop paint corrosion
If I manage to get a full refund (rather than an engine) I won’t be buying another BMW until they sort their paint quality issues.....I think it will be a HONDA CRF 1100 Africa Twin
When they do ever get back to work and dealing with it I will,let you know how I get on

 

[Mr Bean]

Let us know how you get on as I have an ex-demo bike with a number of little white specs on the engine.

I still believe it is a cosmetic issue - same if my car bodywork started rusting at 12 months old. It's possible to correct the issue without adversely affecting the safety or residual value.

Good luck with your claim

 

[ChazzyB]

With you there , same here , no corrosion on mine or previous bikes .

My March 2017 bike didn't have any engine paint issues. Then it knocked a big end out and the engine was replaced last July. The new engine, about 6K miles on it, is starting to bubble up around the cylinder head joint on one side.

 

[Mike9053]

I am reading this with great interest, I have a 2018 GSA triple black that has covered 7500 mile now ( 462 when I bought it a year ago) but I reported some corrosion issues with the rear swinging arm, small rust bubbles appearing, to the dealer who contacted BMW UK, who in turn said , tough , it’s out of warranty despite it being serviced etc at main dealer and being cleaned after every ride ! Spoke to BMW customer service who reiterated the BMW stand, not happy and curious what to do about it ?

 

[Deleted account 260111001]

My 2018 GSA also has corrosion on the RH cylinder and the final drive & swing arm.

It’s bubbling up from underneath with no scratches or marks.

All of the brake banjos have gone as well, as has the final drive filler.

Booked into Rietens in a couple of weeks, I did send photos in lockdown for them, mine is two in a few months and has 11500 miles, it had the extra 3 years warranty.

I’m a renter so if they don’t fix it, I’ll give it back at the end and move to another brand.

 

[jefformston]

My 2002 R1150GS had the paint peeling off the engine covers and fork legs when it was about 30 months old. My 1990 R100gs has very little corrosion despite winter use. I just wash it when it's dirty.
I think the quality of modern BMW motorcycles is well below that of those made a decade or two earlier.

My 2001 R1150GS still hasn’t got any, so not sure it’s anything to do with when the bike was built.