Dead battery.

The Bear said:
I leave my caravan leisure battery permenantly connected to my Ctek over winter. I also have a Ctek soft connector permenantly connected to my bikes battery, so I can easily connect the Ctek straight to it without removing the seat...

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Yup ive now done the same. My attitude is dont fix what aint broken, but now that it might be, i will do summat about it :D;)
 
Greg Masters said:
That one is perfect - a connect and forget model.

(A couple of smaller CTEK chargers do not have the 'float charge' technology)
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I will use it now since the battery is showing signs of failing. Perhaps this will sort it out for a while but i will probably buy a new battery "just in case". Wont do it any harm to sit on the shelf if not required. Ive had the Ctek for a couple of years now and never had to use it. I also have two Tronic TX chargers that i dont use. Maybe i should sell em on. Anyhow im going to do a plug change later today, its done nearly 7k and still on originals.
 
Delboy777 said:
I will use it now since the battery is showing signs of failing. Perhaps this will sort it out for a while but i will probably buy a new battery "just in case". Wont do it any harm to sit on the shelf if not required. Ive had the Ctek for a couple of years now and never had to use it. I also have two Tronic TX chargers that i dont use. Maybe i should sell em on. Anyhow im going to do a plug change later today, its done nearly 7k and still on originals.
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The OE battery on my 2000 1150GS lasted just a few months short of 10 years - but it was connected to an Optimate (effectively the same as your CTEK) every minute I wasn't riding it.

Any discharging of a battery doesn't do it much good. A deep discharge (ooh, er, Missus!) over a few months (as yours was) probably means that your battery is pretty much rooted. When you get through your current issues, buy a new battery and look after it well!
 
Greg Masters said:
The OE battery on my 2000 1150GS lasted just a few months short of 10 years - but it was connected to an Optimate (effectively the same as your CTEK) every minute I wasn't riding it.

Any discharging of a battery doesn't do it much good. A deep discharge (ooh, er, Missus!) over a few months (as yours was) probably means that your battery is pretty much rooted. When you get through your current issues, buy a new battery and look after it well!
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Problem was it wasnt over a few months. The bike started just fine a couple of nights ago then next time........nada, zilch no go. So im not sure what went wrong TBH
 
The bike started a few days ago, no problem, before you "sorted out" some ancillary wiring? That would suggest there's something wrong with what you did with the wiring. Don't make any assumptions, go back and check everything.

If the battery has enough charge to turn it over, but it won't start, I don't think it's a simple flat battery problem. If it still won't start, I'd disconnect all the ancillaries and try again. You can also check what the current draw is while the bike is off, to see if your new ancillaries are pulling power they shouldn't when the bike is off.
 
tadhgocuilleain said:
The bike started a few days ago, no problem, before you "sorted out" some ancillary wiring? That would suggest there's something wrong with what you did with the wiring. Don't make any assumptions, go back and check everything.

If the battery has enough charge to turn it over, but it won't start, I don't think it's a simple flat battery problem. If it still won't start, I'd disconnect all the ancillaries and try again. You can also check what the current draw is while the bike is off, to see if your new ancillaries are pulling power they shouldn't when the bike is off.
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I fitted a Centech fuse panel, but i didnt fit a fuse the the power lead from the battery to the panel, so in effect NO ancilleries were connected.
 
Wemoto are doing great deals on Motobatt right now. Seen one for about £48? Don't think that's bad? I am due for one.


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Hi Del, the start and stop after a short time won't have put very much back in the battery, and as you suspected it may be flooded,
after 3 months and drop in temperature it may have been low with just one start in it, the modern batteries have very low amp hours and high cranking current which avalanche instead of doing the slow cranking,
a good slow charge is probably all it needs, it is in low temperatures a good idea to give it a bubble on the charger for 48 hours every 4 to 6 weeks,
This scenario is common on modern cars,
Roamer,
 
Delboy777 said:
Ok peeps connected GS911 and got these faults. My question is are the o2 faults there because i have a PCV fitted and the sensors are disconected ?
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Yes faults 10011 and 10019 are because you have a Power Commander fitted and have disconnected the O2 sensors . I assume you have removed the Exhaust valve as well with fault 10313 showing ?

I get the 10011 and 10019 on both my R1200GS and R1200S as I have Power Commanders fitted :

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Ok guys thats exactly what i thought re- the Lambda sensors. As for flooding roamer you were correct, i changed the plugs as it was still on the originals and both secondary plugs were wet although the primary ones were dry. I have also removed the o2 sensor's and fitted blanks. They were disconected when PC was fitted. I have it back on charge atm but i will wait till the new Motobatt arrives before i start the bugger up. Yes ive done away with the flappy valve so those 3 "faults" will always appear. Itake it 10444 was because of the flat battery, and doing a TPS reset would have squirted a load of fuel into the cylinders ? or does in not work like that with injectors. Ta, Del
 
Delboy777 said:
Ok guys thats exactly what i thought re- the Lambda sensors. As for flooding roamer you were correct, i changed the plugs as it was still on the originals and both secondary plugs were wet although the primary ones were dry. I have also removed the o2 sensor's and fitted blanks. They were disconected when PC was fitted. I have it back on charge atm but i will wait till the new Motobatt arrives before i start the bugger up. Yes ive done away with the flappy valve so those 3 "faults" will always appear. Itake it 10444 was because of the flat battery, and doing a TPS reset would have squirted a load of fuel into the cylinders ? or does in not work like that with injectors. Ta, Del
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10444 could point to a suspect ignition coil which would also perhaps explain the starting issues ? Look at this thread which tells you how to check the coil out to at least eliminate it ....that said it says the fault is not there now ?

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/bike-shut-off-and-fault-code-10444.1012975/
 
nicholsonj2252 said:
10444 could point to a suspect ignition coil which would also perhaps explain the starting issues ? Look at this thread which tells you how to check the coil out to at least eliminate it ....that said it says the fault is not there now ?

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/bike-shut-off-and-fault-code-10444.1012975/
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Interesting info there chief, thanks for that, but i would doubt it would be a coil although you never know. I have bookmarked the page for future ref. Ta Del
 
Ok peeps, ive now resolved the problem, and although it pains me to admit it it was entirely my fault :eek:..........yes its entirely MY fault just in case you didnt get the first admittance of complete and utter knobbery :blast. Although it has to be said in my defence im a fuckwit of the highest order for not realising my mistake when it occured. While tidying the auxilliary wiring up by adding a Centech fuse panel, i had occasion to remove the Earth wire for the PCV from the battery.........with me so far ? Keep up at the back because this is relevant. Well i fitted the panel and reconnected everything up and left it like that. Upon returning two days later the battery was flat and i mean flat (4.5v ) and obviously the bike wouldnt start. So scratches head and cant see anything wrong.....:mad: feck me battery must be fooked.......orders new battery (no bob i dont want the one back from you that i sold you lol) Charges up the battery with my CTEK and tries to start said beast.......cough and splutter but no start :blast :nenau knows whats wrong with it. So i hook up my laptop and plugs in my GS911 and up comes the faults as above the only one concerning me is the first one as im not quite sure about how to resolve that if i end up having to. Bike still wont start, decides to change the plugs (still on originals now 6.6k) and remove the O2 sensors as they are now as much use as an ashtray on my mighty steed. Fit new IU24 Iridium plugs.......and yes they are 1 temp range hotter than stock but cheaper to buy.The primary plugs were bone dry but the secondary ones are soaked in petrol...ahh i says to myself, maybe that happened when i did the TPS reset and thats my problem.BTW the bmw plug socket doesnt fit the new plugs, but my 16mm long reach one does, so on i plod still wondering why the dammed thing wont start.:( So i say to myself this morning i need to bite the bullet and try the thing again..........turns over a liitle offer to start then nowt :rolleyes: christ whats wrong with it ? as i stamp my slipper clad right foot in temper.:confused::confused:. Switch off ignition and then hear a strange sound like a relay clicking on and off, what the feck is that i havent a clue never heard theat before :nenau. So i isolate the noise down the the injectors, they appear to be clicking away good style and the red and green light on the PCV is doing its best impression of a seventies disco. What the hell is going on here ffs, think i will disconnect it and see what happens ( damm it that means i will have to re-fit said O2 sensors again bugger !!). Now this is where i finally discover MY mistake...............wait for it ......wait for it...........are you all excited ? no i didnt think you would be :D. believe it or not, and this is what marks me out a total and utter useless cnut of the highest order...........i had fitted the earth wire of the PCV, remember that one ?? to the LIVE side of the battery instead of the - !! Fuck me i said quietly to myself how did you manage that :blast:blast. So to cut this saga down a bit i fitted it where it should have been and with one touch of the starter my mighty steed fires up and makes me almost dance a jig around my tiny shed. I can only assume the PCV is polarity protected and fitting the earth wire to the live caused the battery to go flat and didnt cause a shower sparks and melted 90th Anniversary plastic, im just glad that it appears no permanant damage has been done because of my stupid mistake. Ohh and i now have a new Motobatt winging its way to me as a standby in case ive fooked this one now by flattening it. Moral of the story............do it feckin right in the first place.:D:augie
 
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