Did Dealer change my FD oil ??

[SJD]

Hi, 1200GSA 1st service(600 mile)at Williams Manchester.
i was told the FD oil is changed on the 600 mile service at time of booking the service and was charged for it...but excuse my ignorance but what is the procedure?
Removed the Hershel while cleaning my bike today and expected to see a filler/level plug,but there isn't one..there is a drain plug and the breather..is the filler on the wheel side ?.
Might i also add the Hershel or the rear wheel dont appear to have been off since the bike was built.

Sorry if i have missed something here,but since getting this 2011 GSA 1200 the ordering/buying/cleaning and ownership(short that it is) of this bike have been much more 'complicated' and less striaght forward than any of the KTM's iv'e had.

Thanks for any replies..good or bad.

Steve

 

[jez]

Seek and Ye shall find
Ps. What's a Hershel?

 

[Gundog]

You got me worried then...
Just checked mine, had 600 mile service three weeks ago at Chester Motorad.
Oil drain screw is now on bottom of FD. Signs that it has been removed and two blobs of white paint have been applied by dealer to show if its removed again..

I,m happy..

 

[Rasher]

I had mine changed at 7.5k and it was filthy with the drain plug covered in filings, it was supposedly changed by the dealer at 3.5k

Changed it again myself at 11k and it came out pretty clean with no debris on drain plug.

Need a new rear tyre so will change it again while the wheel is out.

It is an easy shortcut for whoever services your bike and almost impossible to check if they have or have not done it which I why I change my own every time I fit a rear tyre.

 

[SJD]

The Hershel is the rear mud gaurd bolted to the diff.. sorry final drive casing.
Have now took the rear wheel out and the filler/level plug is there hehind the disc..still doesn't look like its been out.
No worries i will just change it myself..got some oil of the type required knockin about.

Nothing new..i know..people questioning did they do/change that or this when driving away from your friendly dealer.

Iv'e never paid anyone to service or repair any of my vehicles,always done it myself..even the 2 KTM's i had from Robinson's of Rochdale..they would just stamp the service book for me.

Can't get away with that now with the BM,im ok with paying them to do the work,just want them to do what they are charging for.

Steve

 

[forest biker]

If in doubt change it yourself i would , you will have some spare oil then to change it every couple thousand yourself

 

[Kremmen]

With all the known issues with the FD i change the oil every 1000mls...(I known some will say overkill, but i don't care)
I had a new FD unit fitted just shy of 2k so with 5k on the clock it has been changed three times...even so the oil comes out dirty & the magnetic filter is always completely covered.
I understand the theory behind the installation of a breather, but I'm convinced that its allowing contaminant in, which is the cause of the dirty oil in a very short distance

 

[tosh23]

With all the known issues with the FD i change the oil every 1000mls...(I known some will say overkill, but i don't care)
I had a new FD unit fitted just shy of 2k so with 5k on the clock it has been changed three times...even so the oil comes out dirty & the magnetic filter is always completely covered.
I understand the theory behind the installation of a breather, but I'm convinced that its allowing contaminant in, which is the cause of the dirty oil in a very short distance

Check the shim,

 

[skywalker]

The Hershel is the rear mud gaurd bolted to the diff.. sorry final drive casing.
Have now took the rear wheel out and the filler/level plug is there hehind the disc..still doesn't look like its been out.
No worries i will just change it myself..got some oil of the type required knockin about.

Nothing new..i know..people questioning did they do/change that or this when driving away from your friendly dealer.

Iv'e never paid anyone to service or repair any of my vehicles,always done it myself..even the 2 KTM's i had from Robinson's of Rochdale..they would just stamp the service book for me.

Can't get away with that now with the BM,im ok with paying them to do the work,just want them to do what they are charging for.

Steve

How about asking the dealership again re the oil change. It would seem a far better approach than coming on here and making a slight accusation of their servicing procedures.
If your still unsure why not mark up the items in question next time to see for yourself.
As for getting a dealer to put their stamp in your book after you serviced your own bike that my friend is both daft move by the dealer as he is saying that that particular bike has been through "their shop" for service ,there's no paperwork to back that up and in the event of you having an accident the first port of call if its serious would be the dealer who stamped the book. And secondly its more common name is fraud.

 

[Zoton]

How about asking the dealership again re the oil change. It would seem a far better approach than coming on here and making a slight accusation of their servicing procedures.
If your still unsure why not mark up the items in question next time to see for yourself.
As for getting a dealer to put their stamp in your book after you serviced your own bike that my friend is both daft move by the dealer as he is saying that that particular bike has been through "their shop" for service ,there's no paperwork to back that up and in the event of you having an accident the first port of call if its serious would be the dealer who stamped the book. And secondly its more common name is fraud.

As for getting a dealer to put their stamp in your book after you serviced your own bike that my friend is both daft move by the dealer as he is saying that that particular bike has been through "their shop" for servic
I agree i doubt that would happen unless a mate did it for a bung then your both fooling each other.

 

[Rasher]

How about asking the dealership again re the oil change. It would seem a far better approach than coming on here and making a slight accusation of their servicing procedures.
If your still unsure why not mark up the items in question next time to see for yourself..

I sort of agree, but why should we have to do this, there are just so many dodgy dealers and shoddy mechanics out there that a full dealer service history is meaningless, although it does prop up values a bit, it bears little reflection on how well maintained a vehicle has been.

As for getting a dealer to put their stamp in your book after you serviced your own bike that my friend is both daft move by the dealer as he is saying that that particular bike has been through "their shop" for service ,there's no paperwork to back that up and in the event of you having an accident the first port of call if its serious would be the dealer who stamped the book. And secondly its more common name is fraud

Although probably not all that uncommon, I have heard people talking about paying the guy in the dealers to stamp the book, at least with BMW the records are computerised so you can check if the work really "has been done" by the dealer, although it may be the punter has done a better job himself, but I would not want to buy from someone who is using fraudulent paperwork to try and obtain more dosh - but would happily buy from some guy with a load of parts / oil receipts, a mint bike and a decent toolkit in his garage.


In the car world there are many competely fake service histories out there, and further de-values the FDSH appeal in my book. Would always phone the dealer if looking at any high cost vehicle.

 

[Myke Rocks]

Maybe you should change it more often.

With all the known issues with the FD i change the oil every 1000mls...(I known some will say overkill, but i don't care)

I did a little trip 2 weeks ago lasting 6 days.
If I followed your schedule, I would have stopped 3 times to change the final drive oil. Put bike on stand, remove rear wheel, remove final drive assembly, tip it up to remove oil, reinstall & refill.
Still, the bike has only 33,000 on it. & I have never looked at final drive, much less done anything to it. Sometime over the next 10 years, I must check the oil level in the final drive. No leaks though, so it is not urgent.

Myke

 

[Wapping]

With all the known issues with the FD i change the oil every 1000mls...(I known some will say overkill, but i don't care)

I did a little trip 2 weeks ago lasting 6 days.
If I followed your schedule, I would have stopped 3 times to change the final drive oil. Put bike on stand, remove rear wheel, remove final drive assembly, tip it up to remove oil, reinstall & refill.

The onerous service schedule crossed my mind, too.

I regularly do 2,500 mile plus jaunts into France and Germany... Bloody glad my 1200 GSA has gone to a better home

 

[Wapping]

The question was:

Did Dealer change my FD oil ??

Appeals for assistance have to be answered, it is the underlying ethos of all things 'biker' and UKGSer in particular. Let's help:

Um, um, let me see..... Wait, there is an image forming in the void, faint but definitely there..............Yes, I have it now..........No. The dealer did not change your final drive oil.

 

[(RIP) Mark H]

With all the known issues with the FD i change the oil every 1000mls.
I understand the theory behind the installation of a breather, but I'm convinced that its allowing contaminant in, which is the cause of the dirty oil in a very short distance

Still, the bike has only 33,000 on it. & I have never looked at final drive, much less done anything to it. Sometime over the next 10 years, I must check the oil level in the final drive. No leaks though, so it is not urgent.

Myke

One extreme to another here, Kremmen, I dont buy your breather therory or changing the F/D oil every 1000 miles, and Myke, .....you need to change your F/D oil

 

[NLC]

The onerous service schedule crossed my mind, too.

I regularly do 2,500 mile plus jaunts into France and Germany... Bloody glad my 1200 GSA has gone to a better home

At least you gave the new guy an umbrella for when he is stranded on some dark road alone without mobile reception he won't get wet.

 

[skywalker]

As Wapping said re the original question - you'll never really know. I suppose its a trust issue.
Judging by the fact the OP has posed the question in the first place then he doesn't really trust the dealer and in that respect he's going to have to find a dealer he can trust.
My original answer still stands in the fact he should have taken it up with the people in question in the first place before coming on here.
I'll put money on it that Williams will have already got wind of what's on here, worked out who the OP is and unfortunately the shutters will have come down.
If they are a decent dealer (and I've no reason to think otherwise) then they would have been able to prove they had done the work concerned.
But as usual the grievance has been aired on here,everyone puts their twopenneth in cos its dealer bashing and the overall outcome for the original OP is zero.

 

[stonehenge]

Had my 600 mile service yesterday on the RT and probed wrt the same issue. They (Bristol Motorrad) completed the service really quick (1hr 15 say) as I saw the bike on the test ride as I return from brekky at Sainbury's (good value and plenty of it - sorry I digress ). Anyway, I chatted to the mechanic lad (seemed about 18) who went through the FD oil change (filler is on hub behind the wheel) and I could see marks on the exhaust (taken off on a RT). Looks real easy to do. I might change it regularly myself and keep an eye on swarf etc.

Bike felt better apart from they reset the tyre pressures to factory (too low for me). I like me 36F 42R that I have on most bikes

 

[Wapping]

At least you gave the new guy an umbrella for when he is stranded on some dark road alone without mobile reception he won't get wet.

On a dark road, without a mobile signal? That'll be his drive

 

[Kremmen]

With all the known issues with the FD i change the oil every 1000mls...(I known some will say overkill, but i don't care)
in a very short distance

I should of added that i don't have to pay for the oil... one of the few benefits working in the LGV trade.