engine problems willn't start fire

[adamneeds]

well hoping one on the many fonts of knowledge maybe able to help. and i will not require a trip to the dealer as more then a capable home mechanic. and no way of getting bike to the dealer.
i will be listing problem what i've done in detail. as i personally hate to see my bike wont start and thats it. and yes i have done lots of searchs all coming back with change/charge the battery.

Background.

bike ridden daily 60 mile round trip to and from work all motorway at 80mph Newport-Bristol run in with 40,000 on the clock serviced by myself. additional extras/drains are zumo,HIDS.
before issues had a small oil leak from right hand cylinder due to snapped head bolt (kept topped up with oil not a huge issue for me after CCM )
a few months ago over winter dec/jan very cold bike was becoming difficult to start kept requiring jump leads/start, new battery purchased, believed problem fixed.
5 weeks ago on way home small amount of screeching from engine/alternator internals low speed filtering made it home and cleared.
returned to work following day needed jumping on return home journey 300 meters into ride home. big bang from engine cluth engaged coasted to a stop refused to start recovered by AA. my thinking was siezed engine/EWS

What I have done

bike stripped down center stand TDC in 6th to check if siezed rear wheel rotated to discovery engine not siezed cycled though fine however alternator starter in pieces-new one ordered and fitted-upgraded to a denso 60A instead of 40A from sherlocks 1457 miles use wiring has been upgraded to suit additional amperage.
contacts on alternator and battery connection cleaned as corroded.
bike re assembled.
went to start it starter turns engine willnt fire up.
strip heads check clearences 0.6,0.12 and spark plugs black so replaced with 4 new plugs good clean spark.all 4 have a strong spark
tried again still no start however engine compression is pushing air out of cylinder head gasket on the right cylinder(small amount of oil)in a splatter type pattern and exhaust has compressed gas being pushed out of it.
tried using easy start,start after a few presses of the starter then died again
have checked fuel pump controller believe its working utilised a bypass just in case still no joy.
both sets of batteries on charge as currently lacking power and trying to start bike is killing them quickly.
batteries show voltage drop from the starter using multimeter.

My thoughts

my feeling is that i am getting feed up of getting wet and cold and the french getting to much of my money crossing the severn bridge in the car soon adds up at least it has heaters music and leather and is also german.
i have some believe that it may be one of the following possibly the timings out although i have not altered/touched the timing or thier is a blockage in the injector/fuel lines.
advice or help greatly recieved does anyone have any other ideas or something else i may of missed overlooked totally.

Adam

 

[Greg Masters]

Remind me not to buy a used bike off you!

You ride with a seizing alternator and with a broken head bolt!

Despite the above, if it was running fine until it stopped, it's unlikely to be anything mechanical - unless your stripping of the heads has introduced a new problem.

You say that there's a spark.

That leaves fuel. You say the fuel pump works, so that leaves ECU and/or injectors. That it momentarily starts when you use Easystart seems to confirm no fuel is getting through.

So what have you done? Fitted a different alternator and wiring. Could that have messed with the canbus and ECU?

Try typing with a few capital letters at the start of sentences and with punctuation. What you've have written is pretty difficult to understand, so you'll be more likely to get a decent answer if you've decently expressed your post.

Greg

 

[Bmmike08]

Hello Adam,

Have you tried resetting the throttle/computer setting.

Switch engine on, open twist grip fully, close and open fully again, close.
Switch off engine.
Switch engine on and press starter.

Just a thought.

Regards,
Mike

 

[JKW]

well hoping one on the many fonts of knowledge maybe able to help. and i will not require a trip to the dealer as more then a capable home mechanic. and no way of getting bike to the dealer.
i will be listing problem what i've done in detail. as i personally hate to see my bike wont start and thats it. and yes i have done lots of searchs all coming back with change/charge the battery.

Background.

bike ridden daily 60 mile round trip to and from work all motorway at 80mph Newport-Bristol run in with 40,000 on the clock serviced by myself. additional extras/drains are zumo,HIDS.
before issues had a small oil leak from right hand cylinder due to snapped head bolt (kept topped up with oil not a huge issue for me after CCM )
a few months ago over winter dec/jan very cold bike was becoming difficult to start kept requiring jump leads/start, new battery purchased, believed problem fixed.
5 weeks ago on way home small amount of screeching from engine/alternator internals low speed filtering made it home and cleared.
returned to work following day needed jumping on return home journey 300 meters into ride home. big bang from engine cluth engaged coasted to a stop refused to start recovered by AA. my thinking was siezed engine/EWS

What I have done

bike stripped down center stand TDC in 6th to check if siezed rear wheel rotated to discovery engine not siezed cycled though fine however alternator starter in pieces-new one ordered and fitted-upgraded to a denso 60A instead of 40A from sherlocks 1457 miles use wiring has been upgraded to suit additional amperage.
contacts on alternator and battery connection cleaned as corroded.
bike re assembled.
went to start it starter turns engine willnt fire up.
strip heads check clearences 0.6,0.12 and spark plugs black so replaced with 4 new plugs good clean spark.all 4 have a strong spark
tried again still no start however engine compression is pushing air out of cylinder head gasket on the right cylinder(small amount of oil)in a splatter type pattern and exhaust has compressed gas being pushed out of it.
tried using easy start,start after a few presses of the starter then died again
have checked fuel pump controller believe its working utilised a bypass just in case still no joy.
both sets of batteries on charge as currently lacking power and trying to start bike is killing them quickly.
batteries show voltage drop from the starter using multimeter.

My thoughts

my feeling is that i am getting feed up of getting wet and cold and the french getting to much of my money crossing the severn bridge in the car soon adds up at least it has heaters music and leather and is also german.
i have some believe that it may be one of the following possibly the timings out although i have not altered/touched the timing or thier is a blockage in the injector/fuel lines.
advice or help greatly recieved does anyone have any other ideas or something else i may of missed overlooked totally.

Adam

Could you have made this more difficult to read? Communication skills not your strong-point then?

In answer to your specific technical issue...not a bloody clue...I gave up trying to understand what you were going on about after the first couple of paragraphs.

 

[flatdog]

Ditto the above sentiments.
I'd look at the battery as a possible candidate.
Do a compression check, as 'gases' are meant to come out the sparkplug holes when removed. This may remove any doubt on the engine condition.
40 k with no problems, perhaps it's time to let someone who knows about these bikes have a look. (it's deserved it)

 

[Fanum]

Has your TPS been given a kick and been nudged out of position at all?

I know they're much smaller on the 1200 compared to the 11xx, but it is possible

 

[littleredrooster]

...however engine compression is pushing air out of cylinder head gasket on the right cylinder(small amount of oil)in a splatter type pattern ..

There's your starter for 10. If it's blowing past the cylinder head gasket when cranking, something serious is amiss. If it does start, it will quickly wreck the sealing face of the head.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Let someone who knows something about boxer engines have a look at it. I suggest a BMW technician as you obviously don’t have a Scooby. Anybody who for whatever reason rides a bike daily with a bust head bolt is not quite the clean spud as we say in Scotland. As for all the other symptom’s that you attempt to describe, Hmm worrying... let somebody with some mechanical nouse look at it before you completely knacker it!!

 

[adamneeds]

Let someone who knows something about boxer engines have a look at it. I suggest a BMW technician as you obviously don’t have a Scooby.

no sherlock................ hence the reason why i posted on this forum to see if any of you had a idea on what i may of been overlooking or missing. other forums are full of people how have a idea how to help out thier fellow man. I actually am fairly mechanical as even if you cant follow what i have written I at least got it down to a combustion head issue. after all i changed the alternator without consulting a dealer i can check my own valve clearances and oil/filters changes so in terms of a scooby i have more then those who go to dealers for a bike built in 2004 that cost me £3000 i also managed to make FPC bypassing flying lead without checking manuals or other forums.
oral communication is my strong point written isnt but i work around it at work .
A few people who have offered sensible advice so thank you to those and others feel its a cracking idea insulting a individual who suffers with dyslexia on a forum for people with similar interests looking for help.

 

[ghiribizzo]

There's your starter for 10. If it's blowing past the cylinder head gasket when cranking, something serious is amiss. If it does start, it will quickly wreck the sealing face of the head.

Yet you say you actually are fairly mechanical?

Can someone else come along and remind you that if this is the case, this is a problem!

 

[Pukmeister]

Compression, fuel, spark. If they happen in the right time with the right air/fuel ratio, it goes bang. How hard can it be???

 

[jwpzx9r]

no sherlock................ hence the reason why i posted on this forum to see if any of you had a idea on what i may of been overlooking or missing. other forums are full of people how have a idea how to help out thier fellow man. I actually am fairly mechanical as even if you cant follow what i have written I at least got it down to a combustion head issue. after all i changed the alternator without consulting a dealer i can check my own valve clearances and oil/filters changes so in terms of a scooby i have more then those who go to dealers for a bike built in 2004 that cost me £3000 i also managed to make FPC bypassing flying lead without checking manuals or other forums.
oral communication is my strong point written isnt but i work around it at work .
A few people who have offered sensible advice so thank you to those and others feel its a cracking idea insulting a individual who suffers with dyslexia on a forum for people with similar interests looking for help.

Hmm. touched a wee nerve there sorry If you are able to sort out the motor as you say why the f... haven’t sorted out the head bolt Get it to someone who knows what the f they are doing.... problem solved . No point coming on here picking brains at very long distance with the descriptive that you've supplied. Oh and no I don't take the pish out of the handicapped but nor am I a clairvoyant.

 

[Greg Masters]

after all i changed the alternator without consulting a dealer

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it hasn't run since you did that!



It ran OK with a broken head bolt before, so it should be OK (-ish) now. The smart bet is that you've introduced an ECU problem.

Greg

 

[littleredrooster]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it hasn't run since you did that!



It ran OK with a broken head bolt before, so it should be OK (-ish) now. The smart bet is that you've introduced an ECU problem.

Greg

The even smarter bet is that it won't run as long as this is the case:

...engine compression is pushing air out of cylinder head gasket on the right cylinder(small amount of oil)in a splatter type pattern and exhaust has compressed gas being pushed out of it.

But he reckons he's quite mechanical and knows what he's doing...

 

[pathfinder]

The guy as tried is best to sort it himself and is obviously running out of patience with the bike and himself.For Gods sake anybody live near him who could have a look before he uses an hammer on the bastard.Sounds like yer need some other bod to have a look at it.Two heads are better than one and its forums like this where yer will find the help or am I being silly.Regards Ian.

 

[adamneeds]

The guy as tried is best to sort it himself and is obviously running out of patience with the bike and himself.For Gods sake anybody live near him who could have a look before he uses an hammer on the bastard.Sounds like yer need some other bod to have a look at it.Two heads are better than one and its forums like this where yer will find the help or am I being silly.Regards Ian.

some one with a similar idea on what forums are for, greg thanks guessing ecu fault requires diagnostics etc.did fuel pump reset not helped and yes even im not stupid enough to now that seals giving out is bad. what i was after was a cause and a cure.

looks like its off to the friendly independent in cardiff.

 

[Wapping]

Cause: It's fecked, due multiple possibilities.

Cure: Take bike to anyone who can help you fix it yourself or fix it for you.

 

[swissrob]

others feel its a cracking idea insulting a individual who suffers with dyslexia on a forum for people with similar interests looking for help.

why do we hear this every time someone is asked to make post clearer?

its slowly becoming the " its not my fault im fat - its my genes" whilst stuffing a tripple burger into their hole.

and didnt you think a head gasket leak is a bit odd, thats the first thing i noticed in your review

 

[adamneeds]

Cause: It's fecked, due multiple possibilities.

Cure: Take bike to anyone who can help you fix it yourself or fix it for you.

will do.

why do we hear this every time someone is asked to make post clearer?

its slowly becoming the " its not my fault im fat - its my genes" whilst stuffing a tripple burger into their hole.

and didnt you think a head gasket leak is a bit odd, thats the first thing i noticed in your review

I have no idea why people who cant read write use dyslexia as a excuse it is hard enough for those who actually have the recognized condition and paperwork to prove it, I spent 4 years at school receiving extra help as i pointed out oral communication is my strong point. I learn and take things in by listening and doing hence why my report writing/statements take longer then most others in the station. I use a speech program and my PNB really is for my notes as i am the only one that understands them.

dont know about the i cant stop eating all i get at work is "i no speak english" seems like the excuse everyone tries to use.
I very really use this forum as I don't normally have a need to the bike had been flawless upto this point and yes it may of been in need of a check form bmw a while ago, it at leasts looks like it will get anyway.

Adam

 

[slydog]

fat

why do we hear this every time someone is asked to make post clearer?

its slowly becoming the " its not my fault im fat - its my genes" whilst stuffing a tripple burger into their hole.

and didnt you think a head gasket leak is a bit odd, thats the first thing i noticed in your review

im fat but its not my fault . its the pies fault if they wasnt so nice i wouldnt keep chucking them in my gob