Engine replaced

[Nice 'n' Fat]

So moral of the story is always make a small contribution to get the extended warranty?

Yes .... if you get asked for a contribution toward a goodwill repair then take it but try to negotiate your part of the contribution down to as small an amount as you can. It doesn't matter if you only contributed £1. The fact you contributed something means the warranty remains with you

 

[kurienp]

I have a March 13 Gs that had a full engine and drive train replaced due to corrosion in Oct 14. This second engine and drive train is now in the same corroded state. What if anything can I expect this time around. I do ride all year round and keep the bike garaged when not in use. Regularly washed with car shampoo and a sponge nothing else. Will BMW replace again or have i no come back. Still love the bike and would buy another one tomorrow but i spent years saving for this one. Any knowledgible advice welcome.

same happened with mine. The second time around, just returned the bike and went for a 2016 GSA. I like to ride rather than live with an engine that is falling apart. I completely understand. having saved for such a long time I can completely understand the feeling. But I save the money also to enjoy the bike and not worry about an engine that is falling apart.

 

[Streetbike]

From the age when they used proper paint - not the kindergarten water based stuff.
My 2005 R12GS has a finish waaaay better than many of the later bikes

So's my 2005GS. No corrosion and ridden 12 months of the year. Always washed after a ride if salt about though.

 

[DRAIN MAN]

Just had my March 2014 GSA engine replaced under warranty due to the paint blistering, it has done 53,000 miles, also had the swinging arm and rear drive done at 35,000 due to the same problem.

Cannot fault the warranty but why cannot BMW do a decent paint job. !!!!

 

[Engineer]

No doubt the move to waterbased paints is down to an EU directive so I wonder if the big 4 have to do the same when importing bikes made in Japan or if it's just bikes manufactured/companies based in the EU that have to use waterbased paints?

My understanding is that anything placed onto the European market from wherever it comes has to comply the RoHs directives - so if we pull out of the EU we will still have to comply with all the technical directives if we wish to sell stuff back into Europe.

 

[littleade]

My understanding is that anything placed onto the European market from wherever it comes has to comply the RoHs directives - so if we pull out of the EU we will still have to comply with all the technical directives if we wish to sell stuff back into Europe.

Thanks, I was looking at it more from the angle of could the Japanese sell bikes here that didn't have waterbased paint therefore making them potentially better at standing corrosion, but from what you say their paint/lacquer is likely to be just as bad..... Those selling fender extenders, huggers, crud catches et al must love the EU for giving them extra business...

 

[littleade]

double post....I'll get my coat

 

[mrtee43]

If anyone has done any home decorating, especially gloss painting, they will know that the water based stuff is absolutely crap compared to the older spirit based paint. You just cannot get as good a finish with the water based stuff.

I am not sure if this is applicable in the automotive paint world, maybe our resident paint expert could share his knowledge.

 

[telbenj]

Water based automotive paint is only the base coat / colour. Then the top coat which is the lacquer / clear coat is applied this top coat is still good old two-pack / solvent based
If it was a water based top coat it wouldn't last 5 min

Terry

 

[mrtee43]

Water based automotive paint is only the base coat / colour. Then the top coat which is the lacquer / clear coat is applied this top coat is still good old two-pack / solvent based
If it was a water based top coat it wouldn't last 5 min

Terry

Whats the reasoning behind water based base coat and solvent based lacquer ? Wouldn't a solvent based base coat be better ?

 

[telbenj]

Whats the reasoning behind water based base coat and solvent based lacquer ? Wouldn't a solvent based base coat be better ?

As far I'm aware solvent based is far better but I know nothing, I assume water based is cheaper and also at a guess 50% better for the environment due to having water based base coat and solvent top coat as appossed to solvent + solvent.

All manufacturers are using water based products now, even the repair shops they have been for years.

Terry