Final Drive Failure Register

1,371 posts Troll !! If you want fucking with no foreplay, buy a R1200GS. Where yours, still in France with only 35,000 miles on the clock :blast My ZZR1100 50,000 + miles. XT600ZE 75.000 + on the clock. My Gilera Runner 180 is more reliable and it's been a bit further than France. Educated moron ? Your still a prick
 
itchywheels said:
st247 thinks 35,000 miles for a final drive failure and stranded in France is normal :nenau
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So do I, but the difference is I don't think that is a wonderful thing and BMW deserve a pat on the back for making a £1000 part with twice the life of a £100 alternative.

But I must be in a minority or BMW would have had to fix the bloody things by now.
 
itchywheels said:
st247 thinks 35,000 miles for a final drive failure and stranded in France is normal :nenau
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Oh, don't remember posting that I thought it was normal. Try and actually read the posts rather than reading into it what you want.

Rasher said:
So do I, but the difference is I don't think that is a wonderful thing and BMW deserve a pat on the back for making a £1000 part with twice the life of a £100 alternative.

But I must be in a minority or BMW would have had to fix the bloody things by now.
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I expect you are in the minority. You've a bike that hasn't let you down and more childish whining posts than even Nemesis managed.

itchywheels said:
1,371 posts Troll !! If you want fucking with no foreplay, buy a R1200GS. Where yours, still in France with only 35,000 miles on the clock :blast My ZZR1100 50,000 + miles. XT600ZE 75.000 + on the clock. My Gilera Runner 180 is more reliable and it's been a bit further than France. Educated moron ? Your still a prick
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Awesome, you sir are a Fucking legend.
 
So I have just been told my final drive needs replacing, 2009 R1200GS with 19000Km (11500 miles) after the oil seal failed, took the bike in, they are now discussing with BMW if this is Warranty !
 
Thats around about the time when mine first went! I find it extraordinary that they need to debate the matter with BMW as to whether its covered. My Local Dealer is a time-honored BMW man and admits its the Brands Achilles Heel. My warantee runs out next Feb and after that becuase of my high-milage, they wont offer me to renew it (currently 83k mls) so any further failures will be down to me:comfort

I was in Talinn in April. My sons brother-in-law lives in Casa, about 20km south. We were on a stag-do. Its one of the few European Coutries you can hire machine-guns out in! Stayed in Hotel Bravo. Loveley time- can still smell the aromatic nuts from the street- seller near the Market Square- want to go back!
 
Nope its the Final drive !, So local BMW dealer still waiting for any answer from BMW HQ to see if they will pay, then its a week before I get the bike back.....

So 3 weeks without a bike in a country where we are luck if we get 6 months of riding ......

Not happy .... certainly seems there is an issue with the drive and rear bearing seal when you read all these posts
 
PatM said:
Thats around about the time when mine first went! I find it extraordinary that they need to debate the matter with BMW as to whether its covered. My Local Dealer is a time-honored BMW man and admits its the Brands Achilles Heel. My warantee runs out next Feb and after that becuase of my high-milage, they wont offer me to renew it (currently 83k mls) so any further failures will be down to me:comfort

I was in Talinn in April. My sons brother-in-law lives in Casa, about 20km south. We were on a stag-do. Its one of the few European Coutries you can hire machine-guns out in! Stayed in Hotel Bravo. Loveley time- can still smell the aromatic nuts from the street- seller near the Market Square- want to go back!
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After the first one failed has the replacement lasted 72000 miles so far, or have you had a few.If its the same one as replaced at 11000 miles, do you know whats different about it? :confused:
 
So went to the dealer yesterday and they suggested I pay for the replacement and if BMW agree to pay they credit me ! EUR 1400 ...... If I pay I guess there is little incentive to push BMW

And even when agreed its another week to get the bike back !

Maybe a chain and sprocket would be cheaper !
 
st247 said:
For all of the above reasons for me. I don't really consider the final drive any more of an issue than it is on the 1150. Theres plenty of evidence (and how to change the bearings at the side of the road threads) about that too.

Yes, mine failed and the bike is still in France, but it's the only time i've been stranded in 35,000 very enjoyable miles. I think the failure rate given the amount of 1200's sold is probably still on the low side. The issue is more of it's percieved reliability. After all no one bothers to post unless they've had a problem.

The only advice i'd give is, ride it, if it breaks fix it or sell it (same for every bike really). :thumb
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I'm not going to resort to the insult flinging that my somewhat innocent question seems to have led to. But considering: 'I don't really consider the final drive any more of an issue than it is on the 1150' I'm afraid I'm not convinced by your evidence. Firstly, it seems generally accepted by experts that this IS an issue with 1200s as distinct to 1150s and second, I don't understand what you mean by the 'failure rate given the amount of 1200s sold'. Are you saying that because a lot of 1200s have been sold, it is normal and acceptable and we should expect that proportionally there should be so many failures? I don't agree I'm afraid. But then I don't own a 1200 so I'm less likely to be defensive and make myself feel better about shelling out £12k or what ever they cost on a product that quite clearly has a fundamental design flaw. I'm not getting at anyone just simply observing that it is obvious there is a major problem here and how interesting it is that some people her see fit to defend the BMW designers.
 
Borderbob said:
I'm not going to resort to the insult flinging that my somewhat innocent question seems to have led to. But considering: 'I don't really consider the final drive any more of an issue than it is on the 1150' I'm afraid I'm not convinced by your evidence. Firstly, it seems generally accepted by experts that this IS an issue with 1200s as distinct to 1150s and second, I don't understand what you mean by the 'failure rate given the amount of 1200s sold'. Are you saying that because a lot of 1200s have been sold, it is normal and acceptable and we should expect that proportionally there should be so many failures? I don't agree I'm afraid. But then I don't own a 1200 so I'm less likely to be defensive and make myself feel better about shelling out £12k or what ever they cost on a product that quite clearly has a fundamental design flaw. I'm not getting at anyone just simply observing that it is obvious there is a major problem here and how interesting it is that some people her see fit to defend the BMW designers.
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Not sure who the experts that you quote are but i expect the vast majority are those who ride an 11** rather than a 1200.

What i meant with regard to build numbers was that as there were 75000 1150's manufactured during their entrie run. There were 100000 1200's manufactured in the first three years. If BMW continued to build at the same rate (can't find any current figures) there'd be well over 250000 in circulation now. If both models had a similar failure rate you would see a lot more post concerning failures on 1200's, as is the case. So much so, that now it has become quite the obsession for people who own them.

I'm not defensive at all about it, neither am i likley to defend the designers. It's just not a big issue for me. For those that it is, i really suggest selling the bike. Lifes too short and BMW are very unlikley to make any significant changes whilst there still selling them by the boat load.

As an aside, where i currently work we have invested in 15000 new trucks from a German manufacturer. The list of problems is huge and growing steadily on an almost daily basis. Perhaps it's time to rethink the link between German manufacture and 'quality'.
 
I can only comment that I had a 2005 GS and now have a 2010 GSA. BOTH had a final drive failure. Fortunately the GSA failed in the last week of the warranty but my failure rate is a nice round 100%
 
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