Heidenau anywhere?

[iaindoha]

Before I get any stick for starting a tyre thread ... I have bothered to search the forum and have read as much as I can.

I think I know what I want but I can't find anyone to buy them from

Time to change my Anakees after 8k. Worn down the centre (1st 6,000 miles were in a country with no bends!)

I want everything of course:

• Solid handling on the road, wet / dry / greasy: B-roads and motorway
• Decent off road capability (want to start getting the bike dirty)
• Lasts forever

Not too much to expect sure . At least 'cheap' isn't on the list, I don't mind paying for something decent. If we are to believe manufacturer websites pretty much any dual purpose tyre does all the above but I'm more interested in the real world.

I had BFG All Terrains on my old 300TDI Discovery and they were the perfect tyre. If I can find the GS equivalent I'll be happy.

So was thinking ...

TKC80: OK all round, many say noisy and some not happy with wet road performance, speed limited though 100mph is enough anyway, certainly good enough off road for me
Karoo / Karoo T: Similar to the TKC I believe but maybe not so long lived?

Anyway TKC and similar are, if I'm honest about how I actually use the bike, more off road biased that I need. I'm not a mud plugger and though I like 'the look' I should be reasonably sensible and buy tyres that actually suit my needs ...

SO: Heidenau K60 keeps popping up in the forum. Sounds great, looks great, no-one seems to have them in stock. Have spent ages on line and can't find the sizes needed for the 1200GS. Closest I can find online is the K76 but that's more road biased.

Anyone know where I can find a set (I am in Co Antrim though of course the postman can help with that)?

Failing that is there another tyre I should look at which is a good equivalent?

 

[Racey]

Run a 140 rear and buy it from mynetmoto.com

Plenty of 110 fronts around

 

[iaindoha]

Run a 140 rear and buy it from mynetmoto.com

Plenty of 110 fronts around

Good idea, the rear size is the one I can't find.

I'm no tyre expert - is there any trade off or meaningful difference in going to 140 from 150? 1cm narrower so less grip on the road or not worth worrying about?

 

[karnevil]

Try here,

http://motorcycleproducts.co.uk/

 

[Racey]

Good idea, the rear size is the one I can't find.

I'm no tyre expert - is there any trade off or meaningful difference in going to 140 from 150? 1cm narrower so less grip on the road or not worth worrying about?

If you can tell the difference you are a better rider than me...

Used a 140 across Alaska and Yukon on dirt and to Montana on tarmac and thought they were great...

 

[Sgt Bilco]

I believe they are slightly changing the Heidenau's so that is why you can't find them at the moment

 

[Ragnar]

We've been having a similar discussion over in the 800 GS section.

No 150/70 17s around anywhere. No-one's got them and the rumoured delivery date keeps moving. I've just bought a 140/80 - everyone that's tried them seems more than happy!

 

[ktmman]

I got a 150!

got a pair last month after trying just about everywhere.....FWR tyres in london eventually got a set , price was £189 delivered , about £50 more than I thought I would be paying for budget tyres , however supply and demand and all that!
So far so good , not done amny miles to report but the rear is 12mm deep so should last a while.

 

[Sgt Bilco]

about £50 more than I thought I would be paying for budget tyres .

Errr, I didn't think they were budget tyres

 

[ktmman]

certainly arent now!

 

[Racey]

certainly arent now!

Never were...

 

[iaindoha]

We've been having a similar discussion over in the 800 GS section.

No 150/70 17s around anywhere. No-one's got them and the rumoured delivery date keeps moving. I've just bought a 140/80 - everyone that's tried them seems more than happy!

If you can tell the difference you are a better rider than me...

Used a 140 across Alaska and Yukon on dirt and to Montana on tarmac and thought they were great...

Think you're right, had a bit of a think about it and you would have to be a biking God to feel much difference. Looking at the measurements I reckon a 140/80 would have the following differences over a 150/70:

• +14mm total diameter
• +44mm additional circumference
• -10mm width

So 7mm more clearance at the back and the tyre would last 2.1% longer!

How pedantic is that? Regarding the traction difference some clever engineer will have a formula to calculate the difference in surface contact area between a tyre which is 150mm wide versus one which is 140mm. ~7% less width so 7% less contact area and therefore 7% less grip, or is that way too simple given that the full width is never in contact with the ground?? Does it actually make any difference to contact area, think it might just be a function of psi and load?

By the way, I don't expect anybody to care or comment on the above figures. Just messing about with the numbers.

 

[Racey]

Think you're right, had a bit of a think about it and you would have to be a biking God to feel much difference. Looking at the measurements I reckon a 140/80 would have the following differences over a 150/70:

• +14mm total diameter
• +44mm additional circumference
• -10mm width

So 7mm more clearance at the back and the tyre would last 2.1% longer!

How pedantic is that? Regarding the traction difference some clever engineer will have a formula to calculate the difference in surface contact area between a tyre which is 150mm wide versus one which is 140mm. ~7% less width so 7% less contact area and therefore 7% less grip, or is that way too simple given that the full width is never in contact with the ground?? Does it actually make any difference to contact area, think it might just be a function of psi and load?

By the way, I don't expect anybody to care or comment on the above figures. Just messing about with the numbers.

 

[iaindoha]

Fair comment, I suppose I asked for that.

 

[iaindoha]

Is there much difference between the K60 and the K60 Scout?

 

[Racey]

None I can detect... I've used both...

 

[iaindoha]

Thanks guys. Got the 110 and the 140 ordered with Pneus Online for £169.16 including delivery to NI.

Happy enough with that.

 

[iaindoha]

None I can detect... I've used both...

Scrace7, what pressures do you use with these? Standard 2.2F 2.5R ?

 

[Racey]

Scrace7, what pressures do you use with these? Standard 2.2F 2.5R ?

I run them as standard... Solo and with luggage / pillion recommendations adhered to...

 

[Kendo]

I found various Heidenau K60 but a bit lost with the scout / snow / m & s / catspaw etc. Anyone know any other infor on them?