Thank you Spoonz for pressing your points in a clear, fair way. Reading this thread, there are many satisfied Hilltop customers, most of who have no curiosity about how the Hilltop mod works. As long as they feel solid improvement, they are happy. Some in that group don’t want to have the Hilltop product challenged or debated and get rowdy if others do.
Most of the debate in this thread is self-inflicted by Hilltop who steadfastly refuse to describe how the performance is improved. There are several changes that they might be making: ignition advance tables, fueling at wide throttle angle tables, acceleration enrichment tables, or the lambda sensor control routines.
They have stated that they leave the O2 sensors connected and functioning. That being the case, about 70% of the fueling will be locked in at 14.7:1 unless they change the lambda sensor control routines.
I’m unwilling to send my 2017 ECU to a vendor who won’t tell me exactly what they’re going to do to it, it’s too valuable to me to risk an unknown mod.
However if someone who has had their ECU hilltopped wants to know what’s been done, all they need to do is install an Innovate LC-2 in place of one of the stock o2 sensors, ride the bike and then log the AFR. I offer again to help anyone who’d like to do that. Then the mystery would be solved.
There are many who would try the mod if they knew what it was doing.
Dear Roger,
I have always shown an interest in what you write, finding it balanced and thought provoking.
I also accept, there are many ways to skin a cat, or in this case mod a boxer.
I can see the other side, if someone has spent much time developing a product, then why would you release all your hard won knowledge, for the benefit of others.
I did the original testing, for a friend, of a product she brought to market. The amount of copyright protection etc, cost her loads.
HT cannot copywrite what they do, only protect it by general comments and not letting too much specific detail out.
It is understandable that some truly are interested in the how's/why's out of personal curiosity, other's could be for less altruistic reasons, how could he tell the difference.
Thre are lots of things, over the years I have worked on, most covered by confidentiality clauses; it is how it is.
I have no personal experience of any kind of abusive telephone calls, and it is unacceptable. If you offer a money back guarantee then it should be honoured, politely.
Although, I can also see why someone would be less than enchanted with giving up time, on probably their busiest work day, to remove something, when they could be earning instead, but that's where tact from both sides is required.
There are normally three sides to most conversations; yours, mine, and the truth !
If people are happy with the outcome, of their motorcycle, can we not just accept and be happy with their different choice.
A reasoned articulate debate is healthy, shouting yah boo sucks less so.
The usual suspects are becoming tedious !
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