Instep, balls?

[Deleted account 240901001]

A bikes a bike?

Ummmmmm, a Harley's a cruiser with platform foot plates. It probably will make bugger all difference ....

Woosh..........................

 

[Giles]

Woosh..........................

Ahhhh .... Guilty as charged!!

 

[Beemerman59]

T'was out on me pushbike last night and experimented again. Nice downhill stretch, probably doing in excess of 20mph. Hands off bars, leaning left made me go left, leaning right made me go right. Simple as. In my view that's not counter steering which is soley via input through the bars, push/pulling in the opposite direction of travel - instead this is positive steering by leaning only. On my GSA I can do the same thing except the effect is much less and I can only induce a gentle turn, probably because of increased mass and wider tyres. Maybe this is linked to what people are suggesting happens with weight transfer on the pegs which my logic tells me would also have to include an element of lean in the process.

I completely understand the principle of counter steering and use it every time I'm out on the (motor)bike whether I realise it or not, but in my view, to suggest its the only influencing factor when cornering is simply wrong.

 

[krytengs]

Hands off bars, leaning left made me go left, leaning right made me go right.

So you steered your bike through a left and right hand bend...or just veered left and right ?

 

[Beemerman59]

So you steered your bike through a left and right hand bend...or just veered left and right ?

Steered, you know the sort of thing, around corners Hands off the bars, leaning left to go around a left hand corner followed by leaning right to go around a right hand corner. The bars stay perfectly in line - no movement.
Maybe I'm just a freak of nature and I'm the only one on the planet who can do it.

 

[Wrinkly]

T'was out on me pushbike last night and experimented again. Nice downhill stretch, probably doing in excess of 20mph. Hands off bars, leaning left made me go left, leaning right made me go right. Simple as. In my view that's not counter steering which is soley via input through the bars, push/pulling in the opposite direction of travel - instead this is positive steering by leaning only. On my GSA I can do the same thing except the effect is much less and I can only induce a gentle turn, probably because of increased mass and wider tyres. Maybe this is linked to what people are suggesting happens with weight transfer on the pegs which my logic tells me would also have to include an element of lean in the process.

I completely understand the principle of counter steering and use it every time I'm out on the (motor)bike whether I realise it or not, but in my view, to suggest its the only influencing factor when cornering is simply wrong.

Ok,lets try another experiment.

Lock your handle bars to the crossbar of your bike so that they are fixed and pointing straight ahead, off you go down the hill at 20mph and lean to the left.
I utterly and absolutely guarantee your bike will not steer to the left.

The reason that you have steered to the left is when you've taken your hands off the bars and leaned to the left you've shifted the centre of gravity which has caused the the front wheel to move which in turn causes the handlebars to move in the opposite direction to which you are leaning i.e counter steer.

Counter steering is not some sort of black art, everyone who rides a two wheel contraption which has one wheel in front of the other countersteers
providing they're going quick enough.

The real skill is in how much conscious imput the rider uses.

Steve

 

[Fanum]

Ok,lets try another experiment.

Lock your handle bars to the crossbar of your bike so that they are fixed and pointing straight ahead, off you go down the hill at 20mph and lean to the left.
I utterly and absolutely guarantee your bike will not steer to the left.

The reason that you have steered to the left is when you've taken your hands off the bars and leaned to the left you've shifted the centre of gravity which has caused the the front wheel to move which in turn causes the handlebars to move in the opposite direction to which you are leaning i.e counter steer.

Counter steering is not some sort of black art, everyone who rides a two wheel contraption which has one wheel in front of the other countersteers
providing they're going quick enough.

The real skill is in how much conscious imput the rider uses.

Steve

"LEAN" is different to 'WEIGHT"

Try the same, with the bars lashed as you said, now WEIGHT the left or right peg........

What happens?



I have to wonder if most of the people who have posted their expert opinions in this thread have actually ,genuinely tried some of the utter SHIT DRIVEL they are espousing

(Not aimed at you Steve )

 

[DeadReduk]

I tend to ride on the balls as its what I am used to.
Oh, and you don't actually change direction with your feet....it has no effect in the steering process

You need to test ride a triumph rocket bought one in April 2005 traded it for a GS in October 2005. Rocket was the only bike I ever had to use my feet and my 20 stone frame to get round corners. This will prove that theory wrong!

 

[Wapping]

I have to wonder if most of the people who have posted their expert opinions in this thread have actually ,genuinely tried some of the utter SHIT DRIVEL they are espousing

I am riding to norf Norfolk tomorrow. I plan to do it all the way, without touching the bars, just leaning.

I have a right angled turn to leave Kennnet Street to enter Vaughan Way, and another at the traffic light controlled junction with The Highway, both within a quarter of a mile of leaving home.

The first roundabout I will encounter will be on the junction of the A1261 and A1020, entering at roughly 9 o'clock, exiting a near enough 4 o'clock. With a clear entry and exit I can usually do this at about 70 MPH.... If I cock it up, there is no run off, unless I can head off up the slip road into the Esso garage... Or through a building into Bow Creek... I can only hope the tide is out.

To add a little spice I will be riding 320 kg's of 1600 GT.... I wil if course be activating the cruise control, to remove any possible suggestion that I have cheated.

Watch this space for further updates....

 

[Michael R1150GS Adventure]

No it rocks the bike from side to side . And due to secondary precession and friction in the steering head there is a small amount of turn but again that's the effect of counter steering through rocking the bike and effectively moving the handle bars .

no it turns my bike - quite well off road as a matter of fact
i do not imagine shit up to answer peoples questions inanely

jesus

 

[WindyChuffer]

Have just had a very enjoyable 10mins or so reading the utter drivel on this thread written by those that think they know better than Keith Code.

Get any bicycle. Disable the steering. Try and steer it. Report back. Nuff said.

 

[krytengs]

Have just had a very enjoyable 10mins or so reading the utter drivel on this thread written by those that think they know better than Keith Code.

Get any bicycle. Disable the steering. Try and steer it. Report back. Nuff said.

 

[GC6269]

I don't know why people are bothering.

There's none as blind as those who won't see.