Is this normal !

[oldnfat]

You lot crack me up

Picture this....

If you bought a brand new car for £14k and it changed gear like a GS WC or had corrosion issues or water pump leaks or the front subframe was misaligned

You complained repeatedly, along with your fellow cohorts

The manufacturer then changed the engine or the bike once or twice & in some cases it was no better or maybe even worse than the original car

Would you still be defending the car to the hilt or saying the faults were just a characteristic of that brand of car

Would you bollox

Some of you need a reality check, ask for your money back & just buy something else

Only then, BMW might improve the R&D and QC protocols

Couldn't agree more with the sentiment....and I think the majority here would agree. I was resolute that I would not chop my old GSA in for a WC for a year or so to let the problems be resolved. With the willpower of a jelly fish I crumpled after test riding a WC and now have a lovely blue GSA WC in the garage.

The motor is awesome, I loves the looks but the suspension in Road is just not right....way too hard on compression has left me losing confidence in bumpy corners.

On the gear change.....absolutely brill 4,5 and 6. BUT as many have reported....big clonck and lurch into first. Upshift 2 and 3 is just awful with the gear lever rebounding back on the change meaning I cannot wear my Sidi Couriers as I get a bruised foot after a while. And as for changing down 2 and 3 I get a lurch as if I am doing a clutch less down shift.

Having ridden for 34 years I can honestly say this is the worst gear change I have had and the ride quality compared to my old Single cam does not compare. In Road/normal I went down a piece of road I know very well at 60mph. There are some expansion joints that are very sharp ridges that on my old GSA would clearly cause a shock through the bike.....on the new GSA the whole of the rear is lifting off the Tarmac.....BMW tell me the bike is within normal parameters....which is just bollocks.

The enjoyment of my bike has been ....though about this word allot and the right word is "ruined". £17k and the dealership won't even return my calls on the matter ( and yes...I have been very reasonable....maybe my problem).

So, Ding-Dong...with you all the way mate...do not give up until you have the bike you thought you had purchased. And for all of you out there with no problems....rejoice as it IS a fantastic bike when working outside of BMWs parameters...I.e. Properly.

The battle continues.

 

[pistole]

not happy ? do move on.

a mere bike is certainly not worth the angst.

 

[L'Escargot]

Agreed Ding Dong,the Dealer I went too had about six used WC's in the showroom ! The Guy even stated they had too much stock !!
To say I'm a little downhearted is an understatement.
I also love the performance of the bike,I have no suspension issues or any other problems just the damn Gearbox/clutch or whatever,even me Bum is comfortable on this model !!!!!

Market is flooded with WC's look on autotrader every dealer has stock from the rt issue to move on, enduro version is valued less than the TE, plus he's the second owner so this will add to there valuation, but in fairness they sold him the bike with corrosion and that should have not happened.

 

[Neil W]

Exactly the same experience as I have had with mine , dislike the f***er so much that I parked it up nearly a month ago after its first service and cannot be arsed to use to even lift the cover to look at it never mind ride the bloody thing.

Total waste of £16,500 and unless they fix the thing properly I've had it with BMW

Couldn't agree more with the sentiment....and I think the majority here would agree. I was resolute that I would not chop my old GSA in for a WC for a year or so to let the problems be resolved. With the willpower of a jelly fish I crumpled after test riding a WC and now have a lovely blue GSA WC in the garage.

The motor is awesome, I loves the looks but the suspension in Road is just not right....way too hard on compression has left me losing confidence in bumpy corners.

On the gear change.....absolutely brill 4,5 and 6. BUT as many have reported....big clonck and lurch into first. Upshift 2 and 3 is just awful with the gear lever rebounding back on the change meaning I cannot wear my Sidi Couriers as I get a bruised foot after a while. And as for changing down 2 and 3 I get a lurch as if I am doing a clutch less down shift.

Having ridden for 34 years I can honestly say this is the worst gear change I have had and the ride quality compared to my old Single cam does not compare. In Road/normal I went down a piece of road I know very well at 60mph. There are some expansion joints that are very sharp ridges that on my old GSA would clearly cause a shock through the bike.....on the new GSA the whole of the rear is lifting off the Tarmac.....BMW tell me the bike is within normal parameters....which is just bollocks.

The enjoyment of my bike has been ....though about this word allot and the right word is "ruined". £17k and the dealership won't even return my calls on the matter ( and yes...I have been very reasonable....maybe my problem).

So, Ding-Dong...with you all the way mate...do not give up until you have the bike you thought you had purchased. And for all of you out there with no problems....rejoice as it IS a fantastic bike when working outside of BMWs parameters...I.e. Properly.

The battle continues.

 

[L'Escargot]

not happy ? do move on.

a mere bike is certainly not worth the angst.

Pistole,I am inclined to agree with that sentiment,BUT and its a big BUT,what am I supposed to do when the Bike I have is devalued through no fault of my own,and I can't get a decent trade in value ?? Perhaps out in Malaysia (if thats where you're really located ! ) you can pick up and dispose of Bikes for peanuts or perhaps you're a Malaysian Millionaire !!!

 

[Nutty]

Exactly the same experience as I have had with mine , dislike the f***er so much that I parked it up nearly a month ago after its first service and cannot be arsed to use to even lift the cover to look at it never mind ride the bloody thing.

Total waste of £16,500 and unless they fix the thing properly I've had it with BMW

Leaving it under a sheet and ignoring it is the last thing you should do. It's sitting there losing money. If you're that unhappy with it, then you need to get heavier with BMW. Contact customer services in Bracknell.

 

[DING-DONG]

Some of you need a reality check, ask for your money back & just buy something else

Asking for your money back JB is not as easy as you think, BMW UK are adamant there is no problem, the dealers are the middle men taking the grief from buyers, i feel for some dealers especially mine as they are really helpful but there hands are tied by BMW UK and if BMW say its character of the bike/engine than a dealer cannot do anything.

I'd be happy to take legal action against BMW Uk but for the shit to stick you would need several bods and one good solicitor otherwise the cost to do so outweighs just selling the bike at a loss and walking, plus taking action takes time. My case alone would be a good one, starting from my original complaint bike, plus the fact if it gets in the papers especially MCN than it will create a lot of problems for BMW.

In my own case BMW said its the characteristics of the engine, I've had some legal advice, all i need is a independent experts report to suggest the gearbox is how i state than i have grounds to take it further as my argument is that its not as my previous engine apart from the water leak it was absolutely perfect, plus the fact the dealer sent me an email that stated the earlier bike they tested as per my original engine does not show the same characteristics as the new 2015 engine that is fitted now and i thought a 2014 bike would have had a 2014 like for like engine fitted, because in essence what I've got now is not what i would have brought personally as the heavy flywheel on the demo made a difference to the bike, and that difference alone was one of the several key factors why i never upgraded.

 

[pistole]

well , as I advised Ding Dong earlier , get an expert's opinion.

if that opinion concurs with your experience/observation , then sue your dealer for selling a vehicle which is either not fit for purpose and/or of an unmerchantable quality.

don't just talk and bitch , and expect fanboys to wave pom poms for you here.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

not happy ? do move on.

a mere bike is certainly not worth the angst.

Indeed

Some with ongoing and exasperating problems, defend the bike like their firstborn

Perhaps they are really defending the shock of wasting £14000 to £17000

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

. Contact BMW customer services in Bracknell

I think they've moved to Rotherham now

Perhaps you'll get a gruff Northern welcome when you ring now

 

[Nutty]

I think they've moved to Rotherham now

Perhaps you'll get a gruff Northern welcome when you ring now

In that case, we're all doomed.

 

[red1]

You lot crack me up

Picture this....

If you bought a brand new car for £14k and it changed gear like a GS WC or had corrosion issues or water pump leaks or the front subframe was misaligned

You complained repeatedly, along with your fellow cohorts

The manufacturer then changed the engine or the bike once or twice & in some cases it was no better or maybe even worse than the original car

Would you still be defending the car to the hilt or saying the faults were just a characteristic of that brand of car

Would you bollox

Some of you need a reality check, ask for your money back & just buy something else

Only then, BMW might improve the R&D and QC protocols

"Fanboys" JB. Same with Apple products. Even though the iOS technology and software is still catching up to android they will keep on buying and defending their iPhone until they die.

 

[DING-DONG]

Contact customer services in Bracknell.

Come on rich, i thought you would have a direct tel no !

 

[DING-DONG]

Contact customer services in Bracknell.

And all they will do is contact your dealer.

If you want to take the bull by its horns I'd suggest your first point of call is with there top motorrad service manager Andy Cook .(he is on holiday till Monday 3rd nov as i called yesterday)

BMW contact: 01344 480100 (direct to there office)
Email: [email protected]

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

well , as I advised Ding Dong earlier , get an expert's opinion.

if that opinion concurs with your experience/observation , then sue your dealer for selling a vehicle which is either not fit for purpose and/or of an unmerchantable quality.

don't just talk and bitch , and expect fanboys to wave pom poms for you here.

Persoanlly I've not seen Ding-Dong bitch and whine What I see is somebody who really likes what is essentially a very good bike and is frustrated by knowing that his bike could and should be a lot better. He strikes me as being measured, persistant and determined to get what he ultimatly wants. What's wrong with that?

Whereas your ill-informed coomments re, for example but not exclusivley, KTM's 1190 come across very much as bitchy and whingey.

Andres

 

[Skid06]

Persoanlly I've not seen Ding-Dong bitch and whine What I see is somebody who really likes what is essentially a very good bike and is frustrated by knowing that his bike could and should be a lot better. He strikes me as being measured, persistant and determined to get what he ultimatly wants. What's wrong with that?

Where as your illinformed coomments re, for example but not exclusivley, KTM's 1190 come across very much as bitchy and whingey.

Andres

absolutley spot on, he's a top bloke, if it wasnt for dave and his advice id still be riding my first gen LC and not my spanking new replacement 2015 LC

 

[DING-DONG]

Persoanlly I've not seen Ding-Dong bitch and whine What I see is somebody who really likes what is essentially a very good bike and is frustrated by knowing that his bike could and should be a lot better. He strikes me as being measured, persistant and determined to get what he ultimatly wants. What's wrong with that?

Whereas your ill-informed coomments re, for example but not exclusivley, KTM's 1190 come across very much as bitchy and whingey.

Andres

Thank you Andres, nor have i slagged off my dealer or mentioned whom they are in this thread, its not there fault and i personally would rather stick with the bike and have the dealer do what ever fix they need to do now to get me the desired bike i actually purchased, but that does not seem to be happening I've be loyal to them, doing as requested and not disclosing info on my original bike, I feel they have so what been loyal to myself and doing what they can do within reason, but feel its BMW UK letting us customers down.

I'd be more than happy to forward this thread to BMW UK, because there adamant these issues do not exist, they no who i am and I'm more than happy to work with them to try and fix my bike because if you saw it you would see how much money i have invested in it and I'm extremely fussy on its up keep, its minta than mint so do not want to part with it so easily unless its to my advantage .

 

[pistole]

talk talk talk.

carry on

 

[Wrinkly]

I knew from the very beginning that there was no cure for the wc's problems,as I've said before I feel it was released before it was fully developed.

I've ridden at least 8 different wc's and the only one with a passable gearbox was the demo bike I rode.

Two that I've ridden,the owners claimed the gearbox was fine,they were both awful.

The amount of second hand wc's that are for sale is unbelievable,which suggests to me there are an awful lot of unhappy wc owners out there and they're not all members here.

Those that like to spout about how those with problems need to adapt and change their technique,frankly you're talking itter rubbish.

Yes it's difficult to spend 14-17k and realise that you've possibly not bought the best.

I would think we've all made decisions that have turnrd out to be iffy and defended that decision to the hilt even though we realise it's flawed.

In the end I had my wc 16mths,the clutch,suspension and corrosion didn't make it an easy bike to like, although it did have some great points,and I moved to a different manufacturer

Owning the wc cost me £4.200,00 for 16mnts plus it cost me £2,200.00 to swap for my present bike.Years ago I would have fought to the death for justice,but I've realised life is to short for all the angst and stress these situations create.

If you're happy with your wc "great" but please stop trying to tell those that have genuine problems with theirs "how great yours is" "you need to do this to get super smooth gear changes" why not try to support then instead.

Steve

 

[DING-DONG]

I agree totally steve, bods saying you need to change you style of technique is a bit over the top FFS, nxt ill be told to change gear with my right foot instead of my left