JohnGS1100 Tuning Chip

[Wrigsby1]

Hello friends. This is a dyno from R1150GS with narrow intakes tubes, free (K/N) air filter and aftermarket de-cat exhaust :
Chip stage 8 :

At the next week i try dynos by largers air intake tubes (RT-RS) for much power after 7.000 rpms..

One of the interesting things that the graph shows is even with a good remap, the dip in the midrange is still apparent... This is what I saw on Superchip dyno runs on my 11GS over 10 years ago... Personally I am probably going to try one of your chips and want to run my present 11GS with a standard exhaust as I have tried all the variations on 3x 11GS's previously and now want a quiet life... My present 11Gs is "soft" in the midrange but flies when over 5k revs... Its great but you want the midrange pull as much as anything... Do you have a dyno graph for the 11GS with a fairly standard set up...?

 

[JohnGS1100]

............. My present 11Gs is "soft" in the midrange but flies when over 5k revs... Its great but you want the midrange pull as much as anything... Do you have a dyno graph for the 11GS with a fairly standard set up...?

The torque at middle is very good.

Ηas a constant value with small fluctuations upwards, we have succeeded normalizing the "dips" down. It is stable over 9+ kgr form low rpm untilvery high. That gives much beter consumption, easy driving by any gear and power at high when needed..

The results by stock air filter and exhaust it is very seams, I was never a fan of the change in the hardware of BMW motorcycles..
I think that by only the chip, the tuning "update" is quiet enough for a biker who just wants the best and simple improvement to the bike.. The hardware modification is for enjoy i had made many hardware modification at the past, for itself enjoy..

Unfortunately I do not have dynos of stock moto <because those who make the dyno likes the hardware modifications>. I still want not to make dyno for myself, i try to management low the cost of my work (chips) for all. But i can send by free cost any chip to someone who is interested to dyno the bike in factory form

Incidentally this is a new page on my fb. I hope to be helpful..

BMW Moto Chip on fb :

https://www.facebook.com/bmwmotochip

Thanks for looking

 

[Wrigsby1]

I have gone for one of the chips via ebay... 1999 R1100GS, K&N air filter and standard non cat silencer, CO pot. I expect it will be a stage 4 chip or similar as I want to keep the above near standard set up... I have experience of different chips and tunes on 1100s' and some 1150's from over the years and will let you know how things feel wen the chip is fitted...

Guy/Wrigsby1

 

[JohnGS1100]

That's good!!
I send a stage 4-5 chip for try.
Many thanks

 

[JohnGS1100]

Hello friends

These are some dyno results from R1150GS. The each dyno is from diferrent bike.
Many friends will make many dyno and send to me, i will let us know..

Stage 4, 5 and stock chip, R1150 single spark :

Also this is a dyno fom BBPOWER CHIP. This dyno send to me a friend from Germany. I send to him a stage 5 chip and he take a new dyno, when he send it, i will post again to compare..

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7b6GlMSZji5VTFQVjBvMGJkeVE/view?usp=sharing

 

[stev0]

Hey John,

Can you ship to South Africa and is the install plug and play?

 

[JohnGS1100]

Yes, i can ship to all worldwide
The install is plug and play!! Refit the old chip, fit the new one

 

[JohnGS1100]

Stage 1-3 is a little correction or adjustment for better AFR, for working by a lite different hardware setup.. The improvement at torque and power is by stage-4 or 5.

Yes there are different setting of maps by using a different CCP plug.
Example for R1150 the seting CCP 30 87 is for a normal AFR, for setting 30 87 87a is for a little richer AFR (large intake tubes, de-cat free air filter, camshafts) and for 30 86 87 or 30 86 87 87a is for using low octane petrols..

CCP settings is similar as the stock chip settings.

So : pin 30 is ground, 86 is for low octane petrols.

For R1150 :
Pins 30 87 stantard setting (GS-R).
Pins 30 87 87a is for all R1150 with large intake injection tubes from RT-RS.
And when connect the pin 86 at all up settings, is for using low octane petrols.
There are no settings for R1150 without lambda connection.

For R850-1100.
Pins 30 87 87a is for GS-R with lamda connection.
Pins 30 87 is for GS-R-RT (fiting large intake injection tubes).
Pins 30 87a is for all R850-1100 without lambda, byt with narrow intake tubes from GS-R.
No CCP is for all R850-1100 without lambda with large intake tubes from RT-RS.
And when connect the pin 86 at all up settings, is for using low octane petrols.

There are not Stock maps at stage 4-5 chip. If the biker want the stock map, can just replace the older chip again.

No needed BMW CCP plug, for setting just use a wire :

At next photo up is the RT-RS intake injection tubes and bottom is a (narrow) GS-R one.

For Knowledge :

For Stock and my mod chip, any biker can play with CCP :


These the stantard stock CCP settings :
- R1100RT Yellow plug (30,87).
- R850-1100R-GS without lambda Little brown (30, 87a).
- R1100GS with lambda is yellow (30,87,87a).
- R1150R it is the same as R1150GS (yellow 30, 87).
- R1150RT Red (30,87,87a)


- 30 is ground.
- 87 is lambda..
- 86 is for low octane petrols.
- 87a for 1100 is narrow injection tubes
- 87a for 1150 is large intake tubes ..

Examples :
R1100 with lambda and narrow intake tubes : 86 87 87A
R1150 with large intake tubes, lambda and low quality petrol : CCP = 30 86 87 87a
R850 without lambda, with large intake tubes and low quality petrol : CCP 30, 86

IMPORTANTS :

There is no function "without lambda" for all R1150 models, this function works only for R850-1100R-GS.

The function "no CCP" works only with R850, 1100. Means "large intake tubes on bike", "no lambda", and normal 95+ octane petrols..

There is no maps for "no CCP" for R1150, if take out the CCP from a 1150, the engine works not good, has bad consumption and poor performance after 5.500 rpms.

 

[Roger 04 RT]

- 30 is ground.
- 87 is lambda.
- 86 is for low octane petrols.
- 87a for 1100 is narrow injection tubes
- 87a for 1150 is large intake tubes ..

John, I think BMW might have started out that way (an algorithm), but I've been studying the R1150 and R1100S dual spark. I can say for certain that the algorithm above doesn't work. With stock chips, here is what I believe:

R1150 Single Spark
No Plug: R1150R or GS
30-87: R1150R or GS 91 RON
30-87-87a: R1150RT
30-87a: aka Steptoe Mod: R1150GS Japan

R1100S Single Spark: 30-87 because it has its own ECU part number

Dual Spark 1150 or 1100S
No Plug: R1150R or GS
30-87: R1150R or GS 91 RON
30-87-87a: R1150RT
30-87a: aka Steptoe Mod: R1150GS Japan
30-86-(87a?): R1100S

Given the above I believe it is better to stick with a stock plug.

 

[JohnGS1100]

Roger i was tried all settings last two months.
Worked as i said.
Maybe there are some special models (Japan or US-Canada)..
What plug did you have on your R1150RT twins ?

 

[spoons]

Roger, to improve the mpg on my '99 r1100gs I added a 30-87-87a plug. Would you, in fact, recommend a 30-87?

My bike has a lambda and a COpot but no code plug when I bought it.

Here's a pic of my fuse box after my wiring: http://oi62.tinypic.com/2ezljro.jpg

 

[Wrigsby1]

From my understanding over the years you can't have a CO pot and a Lambda working together... The Lambda is trying to work closed loop so leaning off under constant throttle etc and the CO pot is open loop on constant settings... UK 11's were specced for CO pot/ open loop as the cat was an optional extra on these bikes... If it has a Lambda then it will be an import or a retro specced bike... If the lambda is fitted correctly to work you need to find out which one overrules the other re settings before getting the code plug settings sorted...

PS If you cut to the chase, oilheads are relatively basic and reliable bikes but its the setting up that's the key, and also not doing too much to bugger about with this...

 

[spoons]

Interesting. My bike is a French import.

I thought that my wiring in the CCP are would Indicate to the motronic that I have a lambda and therefore override the copot. My mpg has averaged at 30 for their last 500 miles so I'm trying a full tank now with John's stage 5 chip on stock 11gs with cat and 30-87-87a. If I can get mpg above 45 I'll be overjoyed.

 

[Wrigsby1]

Interesting. My bike is a French import.

I thought that my wiring in the CCP are would Indicate to the motronic that I have a lambda and therefore override the copot. My mpg has averaged at 30 for their last 500 miles so I'm trying a full tank now with John's stage 5 chip on stock 11gs with cat and 30-87-87a. If I can get mpg above 45 I'll be overjoyed.

45mpg should be roughly average... 30mpg indicates your bike is running really rich and is probably on default settings such as is seen with pulling the code plug with a COpot working which was a very early and flawed response to 11 slow running issues... Your silencer exit is probably very sooty and you will be able to smell the rich running when stationary and the bike warmed up...

You can easily unplug the CO pot at the wiring block... I guess that you will have to at least pull the motronic fuse for a short period after this...? What checks/tests for the functioning of the lambda will have to ansdwered by the folk that have fitted them to an 11GS... Either that or you can pull the Lambda plug and rely on the CO pot/correct code plug which is the basic retro fit for imported 11's previously...

Strangely, my latest 11GS is a UK registered bike which was drawn from Belgian stock according to its history... The dealer probably fitted a CO pot as that was what was expected at the time... late 11's will have been sold as an overlap with the 1st 1150's as well which run later Motronic (2.4) along with the 11S's... That is one main reason why they feel so much tighter when riding slowly... I remember having the 1st demo's out in 99 and the slow running of the 1150's was chalk and cheese to my 11...

 

[Roger 04 RT]

From my understanding over the years you can't have a CO pot and a Lambda working together... The Lambda is trying to work closed loop so leaning off under constant throttle etc and the CO pot is open loop on constant settings... UK 11's were specced for CO pot/ open loop as the cat was an optional extra on these bikes... If it has a Lambda then it will be an import or a retro specced bike... If the lambda is fitted correctly to work you need to find out which one overrules the other re settings before getting the code plug settings sorted...

PS If you cut to the chase, oilheads are relatively basic and reliable bikes but its the setting up that's the key, and also not doing too much to bugger about with this...

Interesting. My bike is a French import.

I thought that my wiring in the CCP are would Indicate to the motronic that I have a lambda and therefore override the copot. My mpg has averaged at 30 for their last 500 miles so I'm trying a full tank now with John's stage 5 chip on stock 11gs with cat and 30-87-87a. If I can get mpg above 45 I'll be overjoyed.

The coding plug is engine specific and it determines whether the 1100 (non S) looks for a CO Pot or a Lambda Sensor.

 

[spoons]

Yes, so I hope my 30-87-87a will be telling my stock 99 gs to look for a lambda now and solve the mpg problem. Roger, can you confirm correct cat code?

All of this has nothing to do with John's chip though. Apologies for the diversion.

 

[JohnGS1100]

No problem Spoon, i 'd like to talk for any improve at boxer's engine.
I have the same model, R1100GS. I try 30, 87 and 30,87a and 30,87,87a. The best consumptions is by 30,87,87a. Also at this settings the bike works very good ad very low revs, better from an R1100GS without Lambda (by Co-pot). I have both (lambda and co-pot) at my bike.

By 30,87,87a if your lambda works good, you will have 45+ Mpg. The problem with stock chip was the lean fuel and poor performance at 1.100-1.600 rpms. Also at high the consumption was bad. I believe that i correct these problem by stage-5 chip. Check the "air screws" at thorrotles, souild be at 2 + 2/3 cycles opening (from close) and the TPS at 0,366.

After these adjustments take out the fuse 5 (at fusebox) for 2-3 min and refit it. The next step is : Open key and open the throttle at full, 3 times (without engine start). Close key and re-open and start engine. Let iddle speed for 1 min and take a easy ride (drive at all revs of rpm) for few miles. Will load new maps again and the ECU learns the begining and full open of throttles, so make the correct injection fuel for any revs of rpms.

That is the secret for good consumption at "city driving"

 

[Roger 04 RT]

Yes, so I hope my 30-87-87a will be telling my stock 99 gs to look for a lambda now and solve the mpg problem. Roger, can you confirm correct cat code?

All of this has nothing to do with John's chip though. Apologies for the diversion.

That is the correct stock Coding Plug for a 1999 R1100GS with Oxygen sensor.

 

[Wrigsby1]

That is the correct stock Coding Plug for a 1999 R1100GS with Oxygen sensor.

Does he need to make sure his CO pot is disconnected though or does the Lambda CCP routing disable it?

PS John, your chip arrived in double quick time and I am fitting it in an hour or so and then riding the bike this week so will report back...

 

[Peltsi]

Hello friends

These are some dyno results from R1150GS. The each dyno is from diferrent bike.
Many friends will make many dyno and send to me, i will let us know..

Stage 4, 5 and stock chip, R1150 single spark :

Also this is a dyno fom BBPOWER CHIP. This dyno send to me a friend from Germany. I send to him a stage 5 chip and he take a new dyno, when he send it, i will post again to compare..

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7b6GlMSZji5VTFQVjBvMGJkeVE/view?usp=sharing

What are the other mods in stage 4 dyno run? Is it possible to get that kind of results for instance with y-piece and K&N and your chip? How about using cat + aftermarket exhaust can (i.e. Lazer) and K&N.