Keyless - how safe is it really??

[JohnnyBoxer]

Keyless - this is a series of posts I picked up on another forum and certainly shows the potential flaws that the vehicle manufacturers don't tell you when selling you the technology

You can boost the signal from outside your address and simply drive away. Something none of the Vehicle manufacturers tell you.

The fob gives of a signal to say the key is next to the bike allowing the bike to start.
Same signal if recognised in the vehicle will allow it to start.
A booster will fool the bike into thinking the signal is next to the bike and allow it to be driven away.
Even with keys in the owner's possession.
Once started and running other keys can be programmed if you have the right software

Keyless ignition. £20 device off ebay will 'capture' your radio signal from your key and copy it in seconds.
No keys needed.
Accessed with a handheld device and then came with a blank key/fob and diagnostic tester. To then re program it there and then
Enter and start your bike easy.
The manufacturers don't like to admit this loophole

You can keep your keys in a metal box - this makes it harder as RF doesn't like travelling through metal

ODB port on ECU. Open as per EU regs.
Allows criminals to access and gain codes for your keys.
They'll apply them to a blank set and drive it away like they own the thing

 

[fatnfast]

You can buy one of these: http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/cable_picker/99122_Car_Key_Fob_Guard_Faraday_Bag.html
Or wrap the fob in tinfoil. Basically put a faraday cage around it.
I don't know if it effects the BMW keyless bike, if at all. Only the 7series cars can be hacked in this way apparently.

 

[wessie]

The systems to capture signals from "plip" remote devices has been around for years. Defeating steering locks is easy for a pro. Defeating passive transponders is easy. Your back street garage can provide a new coded key in minutes. It's all a bit of a faff for a thief though and most anecdotes are as reliable as those about TV detector vans or timing between peage booths.

The easiest way for a thief to nick a vehicle is to follow it home, note the time of day when the owner is not there and then break into the home and take the spare keys from the fruit bowl on top of the microwave oven. They can then take the vehicle from outside the house, an office or when parked in Waitrose.

 

[Davel]

Thank fuck for that - I use

 

[PAL55]

I really don't see the point of keyless ride on a bike. I have it on my GSA, but it wasn't out of choice.

 

[Marlou]

I really don't see the point of keyless ride on a bike. I have it on my GSA, but it wasn't out of choice.

Everyone to their own, I like it...

 

[Arsey]

Ditto.I don't want keyless but it's going to be on my 1290R


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[Nutty]

I have it, and really like it. If someone wants to devise a way of stealing the bike without the key, it's insured, I'll not lose any sleep worrying about what ifs.

 

[luke scott]

Booster.

Here is a cctv of a signal booster being used in Dublin. At 1.26 the thief uses the booster (looks like a tray)

 

[Deleted account 251212001]

ODB port on ECU. Open as per EU regs.
Allows criminals to access and gain codes for your keys.
They'll apply them to a blank set and drive it away like they own the thing[/I]

My Audi A4 was stolen this way, it wasn't keyless, it had a slot in the dashboard but it was literally gone in 60 seconds and found shortly afterwards on eBay in bits.

I still had both keys when the police called round at 4am, the thieves were seen driving it away. Device hooked into OBD port under the steering wheel to make up a blank.

A few people are pulling a couple of fuses from the A4/A5 as a security measure, so the OBD is not permanently live and scuppers the above attempt to code a key from it. Audi have done quite well to keep a lid on it.

 

[zoltan]

A few people are pulling a couple of fuses.

Use to that on the diesel Pajero, one fuse only - the coils would not work, but it disabled the alarm as well

 

[wessie]

Use to that on the diesel Pajero, one fuse only - the coils would not work, but it disabled the alarm as well

there's a 10A fuse under the seat that is permanently live for the alarm & keyless antenna on the RS & GS. Probably find the alarm sounds if you pull that fuse, if you have one fitted. On bikes without alarms, pulling this will disable the keyless.

I agree with Nutty in relation to my levels of worry, although I'm also sitting in a tree with PAL55 as the bike in stock subject to a decent discount had keyless fitted. If I had ordered one from the factory then I would save my cash and not have the system as it is a bit of a gimmick.

 

[PAL55]

Excuse my ignorance here!! Are Bmw the only motorbike manufacturer that offers keyless ride?

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Excuse my ignorance here!! Are Bmw the only motorbike manufacturer that offers keyless ride?

No Kawasaki had keyless on the gtr1400 9 years ago cars have had it since the early 2000s its not new technology so should be secure by now

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[JohnnyBoxer]

I thought there would be some interest here, given the number of WC GS and GSA thefts, especially in London

As Nutty says, let the insurance pick up the tab

 

[Gossy]

I thought there would be some interest here, given the number of WC GS and GSA thefts, especially in London

As Nutty says, let the insurance pick up the tab

Its not as if the premiums would be affected

 

[Davel]

Agree with Nutty.

I have it and like it. The insurers are aware the bike has it and so it's covered.

 

[GS TRV]

I had it on my Harley and thought it was pretty useful

 

[Khulu]

I really can't see the benefit in it.
If you have to have your key with you anyway, to be in close enough proximity for it to be sensed, I don't know what the point of it is.
I don't have this system and have never tried it so I'm not speaking from a position of user knowledge.
At the moment I wouldn't want it.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

I have had it on a kawasaki and found it useful not a game changer but handy when your all kitted up and find out your key is in a inside pocket

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