LC Service intervals a disgrace
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Davy F
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I would agree that the main benefits will come from better technologies such wireless throttles therefore balancing should not be an issue any more.
However....if I can remember back to a drink befuddled engineering degree back when the world was blissfully analogue, the benefits of a steady state and narrower operating temp range would have a huge impact on serviceable items such as oil (molecular structure doesn't break down so fast) and valve clearances needed far less attention.
Then again there is a fair chance I was either hallucinating or in the wrong lecture
Not really a "huge impact" at all then?
Al
Ok, I give up...you are right and I am wrong....now enjoy the rest of the day in the sure knowledge you are a winner.
I think that you have misread or misunderstood what I wrote.
billynomates
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You think that will get chavs out of their Ford Focus
I think you'll find its the time cost and hassle just to get a bike license
I can't believe some of the folk on here who are happy to shell out 13k plus for a bike then bitch about a few quid on servicing.
When I had my bike serviced at a dealer, I remember that the 6k service was only an oil change a check over and the real service was at 12k, 24k, 36k etc. If you really feel your bike needs dealer servicing, you could save loads of cash by learning to do things like cleaning brake pads etc yourself. It really isn't rocket science.
From my experience with mostly truck engines I will admit, clean oil means long engine life so I would always change oil at 5/6k. It's cheap enough and very worth while and this long life oil is a complete waste of money and I wouldn't have any bike of mine running to 10k on one oil change.
I think the comparison to car servicing is wrong as well. When a modern car is serviced, they do the oil and then plug the computer in. If it says all is OK, nothing gets touched or checked by hand and that's why it's so cheap. At least with a good dealer, the mechanic is physically looking at and checking items and as we know time costs money.
When I had my bike serviced at a dealer, I remember that the 6k service was only an oil change a check over and the real service was at 12k, 24k, 36k etc. If you really feel your bike needs dealer servicing, you could save loads of cash by learning to do things like cleaning brake pads etc yourself. It really isn't rocket science.
From my experience with mostly truck engines I will admit, clean oil means long engine life so I would always change oil at 5/6k. It's cheap enough and very worth while and this long life oil is a complete waste of money and I wouldn't have any bike of mine running to 10k on one oil change.
I think the comparison to car servicing is wrong as well. When a modern car is serviced, they do the oil and then plug the computer in. If it says all is OK, nothing gets touched or checked by hand and that's why it's so cheap. At least with a good dealer, the mechanic is physically looking at and checking items and as we know time costs money.
Well - it wasn't me who tried to "win" by inserting the:
However....if I can remember back to a drink befuddled engineering degree back when the world was blissfully analogue, the benefits of a steady state and narrower operating temp range would have a huge impact on serviceable items such as oil (molecular structure doesn't break down so fast) and valve clearances needed far less attention.
Then again there is a fair chance I was either hallucinating or in the wrong lecture"
"Look - I've got a degree, so that validates my opinion, but I'll throw in the bit about "wrong lecture/hallucinating" to maybe stop people thinking I'm full of myself......."
See right through you
Al
Bendy toy
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The big issue for biking is governments making it ever harder to get a licence. British and EU have a long term plan to strangle biking off the roads. Just ask MAG.
We all know bikes are relatively dangerous and can't be padded up like today's bumper cars so our only hope is fuel consumption. BMW are ahead of the game with the F800 and Honda have a token effort with their slow 700. But everybody else seems totally unconcerned that their market is shrinking.
Bike makers get amazing power from small capacity engines. It's time they put the same effort into fuel efficiency.
My vote goes with DI two strokes. I when will KTM release the new Rotax skidoo engines in a bike? Yamaha had a diesel stroker back in 1999 based on the Elsie twins but it never saw the light of day. It could easily have been developed to use petrol to keep narrow minded riders happy.
For some reason bike (and car) makers are scared to build something clean, and simple efficient and powerful. Ford proved the concept in 1990s but senior management chickened out.
We all know bikes are relatively dangerous and can't be padded up like today's bumper cars so our only hope is fuel consumption. BMW are ahead of the game with the F800 and Honda have a token effort with their slow 700. But everybody else seems totally unconcerned that their market is shrinking.
Bike makers get amazing power from small capacity engines. It's time they put the same effort into fuel efficiency.
My vote goes with DI two strokes. I when will KTM release the new Rotax skidoo engines in a bike? Yamaha had a diesel stroker back in 1999 based on the Elsie twins but it never saw the light of day. It could easily have been developed to use petrol to keep narrow minded riders happy.
For some reason bike (and car) makers are scared to build something clean, and simple efficient and powerful. Ford proved the concept in 1990s but senior management chickened out.
david a hall
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Bob are you in business your self? am I right in thinking that £260 included VAT?
I cant be bothered to work it out but £43 in vat would be close enough. An hours work it might be but what about the people who book it in, the accounts staff, the customer service staff, the management, the shiny building and the cost of running that in rates, maintenance, electric, cleaning rent or capital investment, carrying of stock the list goes on and on!!
BBB61
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David,
I did all that work myself prior to the service and it took me just over an hour at a cost of just under £70 for the oil and the three filters. You talk about the costs a dealer has but £160 before VAT to do one hours work is excessive in anyones book and is taking the piss, Which dealership do you run or work for?
I don't think it's wrong to compare Car/Bike servicing at main dealers, but for the following reason only/in particular.
BMW et all, when they introduce longer service intervals for their cars, create the following scenario to go along with your less frequent visits to their Dealers:
1) It requires a continued/new investment by the dealer in the latest computer diagnostic/monitoring equipment to keep up with the increased engine sensors.
2) If the visits become less frequent, then unless dealer rates increase - then the dealer may not find that operating is cost effective with this new-found efficiency of servicing.
In practice - car owners probably haven't seen a change in their 3-yr running costs, but moan a lot more because the hourly-rate is now £120 (+vat) when they can see no reason for the increase?
So - look at the analogy of the new GS1200 (liquid-cooled) owners - who are now looking for increased service intervals, while no doubt not expecting that rates for that servicing will rise as a consequence................
Al
IMO long interval servicing for cars is mainly designed for to tempt fleet buyers who sell the cars at relatively low mileages.
Jester
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You think that will get chavs out of their Ford Focus
... probably not
I think you'll find its the time cost and hassle just to get a bike license
... but 10% of all motoring licenses out there are motorcycle licenses, that's a lot of people to tempt back to two wheels
Sooty09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyBoxer View Post
Putting it in 1st gear before you got off, would have solved that problem
Bloody amateurs
So you have never lost your footing on loose gravel? you have never left your bike on its side stand running to warm up?
What ever the reason they can sometimes go over, more so with tall bikes and short legs. When they do its a shame so much damage is caused. Damage which the manufacturer could so easily have prevented.
When mine was knocked over it was in gear but with the suspension on moderate mountain setting it leans over at an alarming angle, should have lowered it to park but I forgot.
Originally Posted by JohnnyBoxer View Post
Putting it in 1st gear before you got off, would have solved that problem
Bloody amateurs
So you have never lost your footing on loose gravel? you have never left your bike on its side stand running to warm up?
What ever the reason they can sometimes go over, more so with tall bikes and short legs. When they do its a shame so much damage is caused. Damage which the manufacturer could so easily have prevented.
When mine was knocked over it was in gear but with the suspension on moderate mountain setting it leans over at an alarming angle, should have lowered it to park but I forgot.
JASONBC
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Probably because it's a 1st gen model and they haven't done enough testing to see how well it will last and what parts will wear prematurely. After a few reincarnations and model changes you may see it go up a bit
david a hall
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Lot more people feeding from that £150 ish than just you. I dont work for a dealer. But I do run a business and my clients think like you do. No offence Bob.
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