Motorrad, A question of Insurance.

Not really... I just done it to get noticed and make the points :)


But i do wonder how many people have been "mislead" and thats me putting it nicely :rolleyes:
 
Hursts

Flip,

Have always had a loan bike when mines in for a service. You've got me worrying now!

Barry.
 
BIG DEAL

Chappies i dont Know about N.Ireland , but in S.Ireland Driving a mechanically propelled Vehicle with out proper insurance is a big deal. This offence carries a Fine / and or a Prison sentence.

But KNOW this , whether you think you have been misled or Not , its
entirely your responsibility to ensure that you have Cover for the Vehicle
you are driving. No ,Buts/Maybes.

CIVIL SAYS : Just change over your own insurance
and BE SURE. Not sorry.
 
yes fair enough (but i bet you haven't read every single part of your insurance policies and understand the wording)

Half the time you only get the fully explanation of cover in a small booklet after you sign up for your policey...so you take on faith what the policy seller tells you

...but if someone who arranges your test ride from whats meant to be a reputable company tell you your covered...and you've asked to be sure and they still say your covered...and you ask "is there any catches to this" and they say no catches your covered you then expect then to be covered.
 
BARRY CRAIG said:
Flip,

Have always had a loan bike when mines in for a service. You've got me worrying now!

Barry.

Not much point in worrying now, ... you might need to bear it mind the next time you ask for a loan bike though.
 
Bigmxer is right I have had it from the sales mans lips, your third party will only come into effect if someone hits you. If you ball it up the road, to use his words "you own it"...
 
Paddy Bikes said:
Bigmxer is right I have had it from the sales mans lips, your third party will only come into effect if someone hits you. If you ball it up the road, to use his words "you own it"...

Yes, we all know the rules regarding the law and third party insurance. What we are discussing is the fact that Motorrad are demanding fully comp cover to ride their, demo/lone bikes, but only telling us in the small print and not disclosing it, in, 'the sign here, don't worry it's only to do with insurance', form, they chuck at us nonchalantly across the desk, minutes before we are due to leave the building with one of their bikes. I would quite happily take the bike out with 3rd party cover, knowing if I binned it, I pay for it, but the point is, as already stated, BMW obviously are not, but only tell everyone that in the small print. The question arising therefore, once again, for the benefit of those not listening properly is. You take the bike, and bin it, what then will Motorrads attitude to you, the loyal customer, be then?

1. Oh sorry sir, you'll have to fork out for the bike, cause the accident was your fault, or

2. Oh sorry sir, you signed the form to say you had the appropriate cover, but you don't, we therefore as an extremely large conglomerate, withdraw the permission to ride/drive the vehicle, as required in law, and will be pressing charges of Taking and Driving Away, oh yes, and you owe us £9,000 please.

My point again is; It doesn't F***king matter if you have the minumum insurance requirement under law for the vehicle. If they withdraw their permission to ride the damn thing, you're up the creek with out a feckin paddle, and £9,000 out of pocket, and all that's before the judge decides. So go away and chew on that again.

MOTORRAD ARE THE ONLY VEHICLE SALES COMPANY I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS WHO DEMAND THIS, CERTAINLY IN THIS SORT OF MANNER, (SHARP PRACTICE I CALL IT)!!!!!!!, and something that can and has caught us all out very easily, by the looks of the replies to this thread.

What do I want them to do, I here you ask, well;

1. I want them to be like everybody else in this modern world, who want your business. Go through those forms with you( with a fine tooth comb if necessary), do not throw them across the desk at you and ask you to sign them, and tell you not to worry.
2. State clearly and leave no doubt in your mind, that they require you to ride the bike, under your own insurance, and it must be fully comp. Otherwise you can't have the bike.

Why do I get the feeling that suddenly the test riding of any BMW bike or loan bike, for the day will suddenly grind to a halt, for those that have read this thread. I know of no insurance company, except for BMW of-course, who will insure you fully comp to ride someone elses bike, on your own policy, that's what company insurance is for fercrisake!!!!. Another sharp business ploy methinks.

I've stated my piece, and after a few weeks of a thread still have no definitive answer, to what is potentially a huge quandry, all I'm saying now, is, unless BMW change their very obviously flawed approach to this matter, please be careful.....

cheers, THE BARON

:thumb
 
Paddy Bikes said:
Bigmxer is right I have had it from the sales mans lips, your third party will only come into effect if someone hits you. If you ball it up the road, to use his words "you own it"...

Total opposite of what was told to me

Either their is a different insurance cover offered by Hursts

or I've been lied to (fed up callin' it mislead) :)

I want to point out I'm not doing this to bad mouth or slag off Hursts.

I was told I was fully covered for the bike as I've said before.

I took the bike out and rode it much like it was my own bike...in other words not worrying about coming off too much(no jokes about in a straight line please :) )

I would never ride anyone Else's bike that I get a lend of that way because I know I'm only covered third party.

Unlike The Baron I'm still concerned about the fact I may not have been covered when in no uncertain terms i was told i was covered.

This still may all be a big misunderstanding and I was covered just as the young guy had told me i was.

But if not he lied to me and not once but at least three times.
Now that would be great for Hursts reputation :(
It would then mean that you could not take anything they tell you for granted. :(

Their must be a lot of people on here that have had test rides and lone bikes out of Hursts.... so what were you told?

I'd love to here from the ones that changed there insurance over :rolleyes:

I can't see too many doing that :) how could you ride your own bike in and the other out while still being covered with your own insurance..you would have to somehow give times of changeover to the insurance company.
 
Tuned,
I was quoting what I was told (as I remembred it) when I took a test ride. And no, I don't work for Hursts, if I did my bike would have been servicd properly! but that's a story for another day. :D
Bigmixer
 
FWIW, being in England, the loan bike documentation I signed today at NOG clearly stated that NOG provided comprehensive insurance subject to a £500 excess.

Paul
 
Hi guys n' gals. new member burstin my cherry here wa this post. I read with interest and some concern the insurance issues raised. having both borrowed bikes while having one in for service and test ridden machines from Hurst's I was always lead to believe that I was covered 3rd party with an excess of £500. Luckily all were returned in the condition they left in, if not slightly better scrubbed. Could've been interesting otherwise! Morale of the story then... READ THE SMALL PRINT!!
 
Newbie (VFRStu)

Welcome to the Forum,I'll let you know Pauls address to forward your sponsorship,£10.00 then you can enjoy the full spectrum of the forum i.e P.M's etc. Ride safe.

D ;)
 
VFRStu said:
Hi guys n' gals. new member burstin my cherry here wa this post. I read with interest and some concern the insurance issues raised. having both borrowed bikes while having one in for service and test ridden machines from Hurst's I was always lead to believe that I was covered 3rd party with an excess of £500. Luckily all were returned in the condition they left in, if not slightly better scrubbed. Could've been interesting otherwise! Morale of the story then... READ THE SMALL PRINT!!

Welcome stu, nice to see you. Keep postin and dont forget a pic or 2 of your travels :thumb
 
got a week at home comin up then off to the sunny brecons in wales for 6 weeks. fingers crossed for a bit of w'end action :thumb on 2 wheels, thank you :D
 
Insurance Saga

Hi All

Just home from leaving my bike in for service at Hurst's and NO i didn't take a loan Bike as i had to collect SWMBO's wee machine (better lying in our garage collecting dust than theirs).

I did however speak to Jim Hill re the matter of Insurance cover and explained my concerns as I had been looking forward to testing a few bikes having just came out of my restriction period.

The bottom line is he is going to speak to their insurance people and come back to me about the matter as he is anxious about the effect this is having on customers both existing and potenial.

Regd's K
 
Klinger said:
Hi All

I did however speak to Jim Hill re the matter of Insurance cover and explained my concerns as I had been looking forward to testing a few bikes having just came out of my restriction period.

The bottom line is he is going to speak to their insurance people and come back to me about the matter as he is anxious about the effect this is having on customers both existing and potenial.

Regd's K

I just find it Funny that with something so crucial to a business such as Hursts that they don't know the answer already... what have they been doing all this time letting people out on bikes if they can't tell you the cover you have? :(

And as for being anxious about the effect this is having on customers both existing and potenial.... so they should be... It's their duty to know what sort of cover you have when testing or getting a loner.

And any bad publicity they get from this is mostly of their own doing...by not clarifying the situation.

Also you have think that this insurance cover problem if not highlighted here would be still going on... with most of you none the wiser.... until the event of some accedent.

So it gets you thinking..who cares about Who?
 
Hi Tuned

I was shown the document concerned and it quiet clearly states that you are required to have Fully Comp ins which will cover any damage caused in the event of a spill or worse and you are required to sign it, TPFT/TP is not enough.As the Baron has said if you sign the document falsely and you could end up before the local Beek,as well as having a hefty bill to Pay.Some may/have been willing to take that risk Give Jim a chance to have a look at the present scenario and see what he can do.Hopefully this can be resolved

Regd's K
 
Klinger said:
Hi Tuned

I was shown the document concerned and it quiet clearly states that you are required to have Fully Comp ins which will cover any damage caused in the event of a spill or worse and you are required to sign it, TPFT/TP is not enough.As the Baron has said if you sign the document falsely and you could end up before the local Beek,as well as having a hefty bill to Pay.Some may/have been willing to take that risk Give Jim a chance to have a look at the present scenario and see what he can do.Hopefully this can be resolved

Regd's K

My worry is not so much " What he can do" more what he or Hursts have done.
I take getting the lend of something that i don't own and could potentially cost me thousands if i wrecked it very serious... as am sure do most of you.

From what you have said it would make it appear that Hursts have no Insurance cover whatsoever for you to ride their bikes.

You will have to have your own fully comprehensive insurance to ride any of their bikes... unless they have and do offer two separate types of cover.

I can only for certain tell you what happened when I went for a test ride.
And as I have stated before I was told I would have FULL comprehensive cover and only liable for a maximum of £500 if i binned the bike when I signed the form.
There was no ambiguity when i signed... i had asked at least 3 times about my cover I even asked "is there any catches to this?" before i signed.

I'm also just thinking this..... If I signed a document that was handed to me by the same person that had told me I would be FULLY covered with the £500 excess and I had asked again before signing it to make sure I was covered.

Would there not be a Legal issue there?

If the person telling me what I was signing would cover me.... if it did not in fact cover me?

:confused: :confused:
 
Dont go throwin the Toys outa the Pram !

Here boys , obviously this wee thread has reached its destination i think its
only fair to wait on Klinger to come back and Clarlfy what he will be told.
 


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