Motoscan fault code

[Fifth Horseman]

'12 model will have a float fuel level sensor. Check the connector for the level sensor on the fuel tank - if the tank has been removed then it is p[ossible the connector hasn't been reseated properly.
You imply you have MotoScan, if this is the case, make sure its updates to the latest version (1.98) and check the ZFE coding. The item "Thermocouples FLS 08" should read "potentiometer"

 

[Slipperyeel]

@Slipperyeel - Don't see how that could be the case as the wheel speed sensors connect directly to the ABS unit, whose only connection to the ZFE is via the CAN-bus.

Interesting. Vehicle electronics definitely not my thing! Saying that, someone in here (can't remember who!) kindly cut into a speed sensor to reveal that it was not just magnets inside the sensor but a couple of little chips also. Maybe they were there to smooth/buffer the signal , but there's more to those little sensors than is obvious.

Have kept this latest failed one, just in case I discover it's something else!



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[botus]

the IC (chip) amplifies the tiny hall signal as the reluctor goes by - germans have got the aging of these to a T - on Merc they die almost to the second they wanted them too - and magically get them on the parts list at £120 each - rather then the 10 quid they really cost

which beautifully negates all the expected advantages - Because Hall sensor ICs are solid stare devices, they are not prone to mechanical wear. Thus, they can operate at much higher speeds than mechanical sensors, and their lifespan is not limited by mechanical failure (unlike potentiometers, electro-mechanical reed switches, or other mechanical switches and sensors). However, Hall sensors can be prone to thermal drift due to changes in environmental conditions and to time drift over the lifetime of the sensor

Hall effect sensor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Slipperyeel]

the IC (chip) amplifies the tiny hall signal as the reluctor goes by - germans have got the aging of these to a T - on Merc they die almost to the second they wanted them too - and magically get them on the parts list at £120 each - rather then the 10 quid they really cost

which beautifully negates all the expected advantages - Because Hall sensor ICs are solid stare devices, they are not prone to mechanical wear. Thus, they can operate at much higher speeds than mechanical sensors, and their lifespan is not limited by mechanical failure (unlike potentiometers, electro-mechanical reed switches, or other mechanical switches and sensors). However, Hall sensors can be prone to thermal drift due to changes in environmental conditions and to time drift over the lifetime of the sensor

Hall effect sensor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Didn't think of amplifying the signal. That would definitely make sense.

But why do I think you're right about the timing of failure being designed in!!!!

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[botus]

Didn't think of amplifying the signal. That would definitely make sense.

But why do I think you're right about the timing of failure being designed in!!!!

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coz thats how the world works - the sickness of it all is the resources wasted are the same, but one method repeats the damage over and over - when we know we must cause less environmental destruction - so you read between the lines, do the maths, and the answer is always the same - the end is nigh (for the lemmings and only "they" are allowed to survive - having caused the problem....)

 

[TLSgazza]

Didn't think of amplifying the signal. That would definitely make sense.

But why do I think you're right about the timing of failure being designed in!!!!

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He does like to talk about everything made for these bikes being made with a set lifespan.
Designed to fail etc etc.
To a certain extent many things will fail or wear out. Of course they are kind of designed to do this but it's not finite.
My bike is 19 years old and has covered almost 152.000 miles now and has both original speed sensors still working fine.
As is the
Servo abs
Starter motor
Alternator
Clutch
Gearbox
Valves
Pistons
Rings
Cam chains
Etc etc
Built to fail eh!!!

 

[botus]

aside from the nasty advert just after the video starts - its quite a sensible perspective he's sharing - and mostly what you are meant to understand for all the reasons he gets through if you preserver to the end of it

I was always of the persuasion the closer a vehicle was to 2002 the longer it lasts - the accountants fiddling and the worldwide collapse we are in the middle of now, was dreamt up 1890 implemented from 1910 - wobbled with spansih flu and some wars. But was back on target from the 1950s. Became unstoppable with the fake credit acts of the 1970s, stepped in to overdrive after the worldwide banking job of 2008 - with the sick curve aiming to land the matrix by 2023...

but they had to bring in covid early to stop trump (and that shows like the spansih flu they gave us) - they are too eager, and the mass murder highlights supply chain issues they didn't forsee and that causes them to tweak their timeline - endure whats left

 

[Steptoe]

aside from the nasty advert just after the video starts - its quite a sensible perspective he's sharing - and mostly what you are meant to understand for all the reasons he gets through if you preserver to the end of it

I was always of the persuasion the closer a vehicle was to 2002 the longer it lasts - the accountants fiddling and the worldwide collapse we are in the middle of now, was dreamt up 1890 implemented from 1910 - wobbled with spansih flu and some wars. But was back on target from the 1950s. Became unstoppable with the fake credit acts of the 1970s, stepped in to overdrive after the worldwide banking job of 2008 - with the sick curve aiming to land the matrix by 2023...

but they had to bring in covid early to stop trump (and that shows like the spansih flu they gave us) - they are too eager, and the mass murder highlights supply chain issues they didn't forsee and that causes them to tweak their timeline - endure whats left

Did you read that in he fault code ?

 

[Slipperyeel]

He does like to talk about everything made for these bikes being made with a set lifespan.
Designed to fail etc etc.
To a certain extent many things will fail or wear out. Of course they are kind of designed to do this but it's not finite.
My bike is 19 years old and has covered almost 152.000 miles now and has both original speed sensors still working fine.
As is the
Servo abs
Starter motor
Alternator
Clutch
Gearbox
Valves
Pistons
Rings
Cam chains
Etc etc
Built to fail eh!!!

I get that. But we all know there is an unhealthy amount of truth in the 'built in obselesance'.

Might bike is on a similar trajectory as yours, except for this flipping sensor . Off I discover there is a cause, for sure I'll be sharing in here. But one thought is - I am replacing with new OEM parts each time, which presumably are new production (compared to the age of the bike) so maybe there is a quality issue!

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[Slipperyeel]

Did you read that in he fault code ?

Yea, didn't you see it in line 84?

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