Mythbusters....the 1200 isn't reliable!

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I am always reading how unreliable 1200's are and I'm always defending them and saying they are as good as anything else if they are looked after.

On my recent trip across the USA, we had 11 bikes of which 9 were 1200's from a 2004 to 2009 and 7 were 1200GSA's.

We rode @ 6300 miles each through every kind of weather mother nature could throw including hailstorms with hailstones the size of peas (ouch) to 40 plus degrees of hot humidity. We also went from -284ft to 12100ft in altitude so the bikes had some serious stuff to deal with. We also did a bit of off road but mostly highway. All had panniers and were loaded with one also carrying a pillion.

Here are the things that broke or are relevent:

One rear shock on a 1200GSA which had done 32k. BMW reckon the shocks are good for 25 to 30k so no surprise and it was going to be upgraded anyway. This particular bike has had dogs abuse from day 1 so the owner was happy to get a nice new Ohlins fitted:thumb

2 x rear drive seals leaked but were not replaced. We found no significant loss in FD oil and the leaks stopped. I think it was due to very high temperatures which caused seals to soften and so leak a bit. Could be talking bollix but there was no problems.

1 steering lock jammed when the pins seized. Not heard of that one before. At the same time his servo packed up. A quick knock on the side of the servo unit sorted it out and no further problems. We had been riding in hot dusty conditions so I'm guessing a bit of dust got on a contact in the unit and also contamonated the steering lock.

2 batteries failed. Common issue on a 1200 and they both went without any warning. One on the highest road in the US and one in 40degree heat:blast Both were original and both changed with new batteries no problem.

Approx 1 litre of oil was used across the bikes and that was on only 2. The rest never used a drop despite the temp range encountered.

No punctures.

One bike lost all power 3 times for some unknown reason and we never found out why. It restarted immediatly.



The only bike to give us any sort of headache was an 1150 with an outer FD bearing and seal failure which was repaired in 4 hours. Bike had done 62k so not unexpected. The seal continued to leak a bit but did another 3000miles without a problem.

I know there are a few rogue ones around but I think the point here is that most are great reliable bikes which can be taken anywhere. The key is to prepare them properly and have a working knowledge of your bike so you are ready for anything. You can also ride round a few issues if you have to and the bikes won't explode underneath you. They aren't made of cheese that is for sure.

This isn't meant to decry anyone who had a rogue bike who or has problems but an honest critique on a bike which gets a bit of unfair press on here sometimes.

I suspect I'll get some negative responses but in my opinion, a well sorted 1200 is at least as good as anything else available and I know I wouldn't ride anything else when I do my long haul stuff.
 
Mine has been 100% reliable during my ownership. :thumb
 
That seems like a lot of issues to me.

Myself and 7 others rented Harleys:ymca (well two had Goldwings:ymca:ymca:ymca) for two weeks last May, and toured around California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah . We didn’t have a single mechanical fault.



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That seems like a lot of issues to me.

Myself and 7 others rented Harleys:ymca (well two had Goldwings:ymca:ymca:ymca) for two weeks last May, and toured around California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah . We didn’t have a single mechanical fault.



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Bet you didn't do 6300 miles in four weeks though did you:rolleyes:

Your rental bikes generally get light use and are serviced and prepared after every trip if they were from Eaglerider so you wouldn't expect a problem. I did 3300 miles in 10 days on a rented Heritage in 07 and not a single issue either. However, get on the Wing and HD sites and you will be horrified with the reliability issues:augie

The point I was making was people assume the 1200 is made out of cheese and they plainly aren't.
 
Reading that substantial list would suggest to me that reliability is piss poor :nenau

I would expect 1 or 2 probs at most for the whole trip if Hondas were used.

I sometimes think that BMW supply rose coloured visors with each bike.
 
Reading that substantial list would suggest to me that reliability is piss poor :nenau

I would expect 1 or 2 probs at most for the whole trip if Hondas were used.

I sometimes think that BMW supply rose coloured visors with each bike.
What happened with you then, Or have you not got one yet?
 
One rear shock on a 1200GSA which had done 32k. BMW reckon the shocks are good for 25 to 30k so no surprise and it was going to be upgraded anyway. This particular bike has had dogs abuse from day 1 so the owner was happy to get a nice new Ohlins fitted:thumb





......:handbag ......I prefer 'well ridden'......:D
 
Reading that substantial list would suggest to me that reliability is piss poor :nenau

8 problems on nine bikes which covered 56,700 miles is not a sustantial list. Read the list again and the issues were very small and din't cause a problem. The bike with the leaking shock was ridden for a week until a new Ohlins was sourced:D Even the batteries were sourced quickly and didn't stop the show.

I don't have rose tinted glasses but know the 1200 is at least as good as anything else including the apparently bullit proof Honda's who don't actually make a bike that can compete with the GS. The Varadildo is a pure road bike and not an all rounder.

I think a lot of people have rose tinted glasses about everything else out there and don't give the 1200 the credit it deserves......
 
Bet you didn't do 6300 miles in four weeks though did you:rolleyes:

We did about 3000 miles+

Your rental bikes generally get light use and are serviced and prepared after every trip if they were from Eaglerider so you wouldn't expect a problem.

I’m sure all the bikes on your trip were serviced and prepared before your trip too. Also, I don’t imagine that Eaglerider lavish as much care and attention on their bikes as we do on our own.

Don’t get me wrong, I have a 1200 GSA that has mostly been used for touring around Europe, and it has NEVER let me down (I hope I’m not now inviting trouble). I love the bike and cant imagine being without it , its just that reading about your trip it sounds like you had a lot more mechanical problems then I have experienced on similar group trips.




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The only bike to give us any sort of headache was an 1150 with an outer FD bearing and seal failure which was repaired in 4 hours. Bike had done 62k so not unexpected. The seal continued to leak a bit but did another 3000miles without a problem.

69690 miles showing when the FD bearing collapsed Chris. ;)

Had I went with Jaythro's suggestion to change the bearing and seal when we were fitting a new clutch a couple of months ago she would probably have been fine.

When you consider what we threw at these bikes over the four weeks, including off-roading and deep sand, they performed remarkably well. All of them. :thumb2
 
Sorry Aidan, I did you and the bike a diss service:aidan

They were all brilliant and just kept on ploughing on. Even TP broke his leg but couldn't break the bike :augie

69690 miles showing when the FD:aidan bearing collapsed Chris. ;)

Had I went with Jaythro's suggestion to change the bearing and seal when we were fitting a new clutch a couple of months ago she would probably have been fine.

When you consider what we threw at these bikes over the four weeks, including off-roading and deep sand, they performed remarkably well. All of them. :thumb2
 
The point I was making was people assume the 1200 is made out of cheese and they plainly aren't.

Chris

I hope I'm not tempting fate here for my next trip !! And I know a survey of 1 is not a good sample size !!

But in my 12,500 mile trip through Alaska and the Yukon to New York I experienced rough dirt highways as well as paved. I endured temperatures of 51 C to -3C. I rode 57 days and the only problem I experienced on my 2008 1200 GSA was a front puncture - which could have happened to any bike...
 
To me that sounds like a lot of problems,
before buying a new gs last year (6000 miles and no problems so far) my last three bikes were a 04 zzr1200 which gave no problems with me putting 26000 miles on it from new(although the original chain was pretty knackered when sold), an 02 zzr600 which gave no problems with me putting 14000 miles on it from new and a gpz 500 which i put 11000 miles on again with no problems. I may have been just lucky but thats 51000 miles with no problems.
We pay a fortune for these bikes and reliability should be on par with BMWs cars . Like i say ive had no problems so far but alot of people do and if id done my homework before buying the GS i think i would have bought the GTR1400 i was looking at at the same time.
 
5000 miles round trip, Istandbul-Ireland-Istanbul. A fly got stuck on the screen.

Agree with the Sarge.
 
6000 miles and that amount of problems I'd be really dissapointed :comfort

Poor maintenance in prep for a road trip by the sounds of it rather than poor quality machinery.:thumb2
 
69690 miles showing when the FD bearing collapsed Chris. ;)

Had I went with Jaythro's suggestion to change the bearing and seal when we were fitting a new clutch a couple of months ago she would probably have been fine.

When you consider what we threw at these bikes over the four weeks, including off-roading and deep sand, they performed remarkably well. All of them. :thumb2

I recall that your bike was fine until after Martin rode it up the sand hill in Monument Valley..... on full throttle :augie
 


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