Nearly sh@t myself

[Beemerman59]

If an insurance company were astute enough, and you had and accident where it could be argued the ESA would have helped, they could refuse cover. Same for life insurance. But hey, you might as well drive a car if you're worried about things like that

That doesn't make sense. If you have an optional feature be it traction control, ABS or anything similar, how is that likely to invalidate your insurance?

 

[MrFell]

I on the other hand like it.

Funny old world.

And there, I suspect, is a major difference between the XR and GS. The TC allows the XR to float, whereas the TC on the GS is quite invasive and brings the front down quite abruptly. This is fine and dandy whilst under severe acceleration.

Would you mind finding a bump / crest and seeing what happens when the front suddenly flicks up....?
You may be skilled / brave enough to see how far you can comfortably go before dabbing the rear brake if the TC hasn't intervened....

 

[Packer]

That doesn't make sense. If you have an optional feature be it traction control, ABS or anything similar, how is that likely to invalidate your insurance?

He's suggesting that if you had a crash whist a safety device that would have avoided the crash was disabled and subsequently claimed on your insurance they may have a right to refuse to pay out because your own action in disabling the safety device resulted in the accident. Not too dissimilar in principle to smashing your car with a club hammer and then claiming for the damage you caused. I'm sure the insurers will start to look at this kind of thing as safety kit becomes almost universal on all transport. Wheelied and flipped your bike sir? Sorry, that wouldn't be possible unless you had disabled the anti-wheelie control, we won't pay out on that.

 

[Andy B]

 

[AberdeenAngus]

Does this mean if the rear was applied and slowed more than the front, then the front would go back up

Yes it would. The bike would also get longer.

 

[yankeedoodledandy]

Well, that's one way to get the darn Anakee3 to stop howling

 

[Beemerman59]

He's suggesting that if you had a crash whist a safety device that would have avoided the crash was disabled and subsequently claimed on your insurance they may have a right to refuse to pay out because your own action in disabling the safety device resulted in the accident. Not too dissimilar in principle to smashing your car with a club hammer and then claiming for the damage you caused. I'm sure the insurers will start to look at this kind of thing as safety kit becomes almost universal on all transport. Wheelied and flipped your bike sir? Sorry, that wouldn't be possible unless you had disabled the anti-wheelie control, we won't pay out on that.

I'm trying to imagine the disclaimer in the owners manual were that to be the case. Not too dissimilar to saying don't twist the throttle too fast in case you crash.

 

[crotchrocket]

He's suggesting that if you had a crash whist a safety device that would have avoided the crash was disabled and subsequently claimed on your insurance they may have a right to refuse to pay out because your own action in disabling the safety device resulted in the accident. Not too dissimilar in principle to smashing your car with a club hammer and then claiming for the damage you caused. I'm sure the insurers will start to look at this kind of thing as safety kit becomes almost universal on all transport. Wheelied and flipped your bike sir? Sorry, that wouldn't be possible unless you had disabled the anti-wheelie control, we won't pay out on that.

Yes sorry, thats what i was getting at. The safety devices come set to 'ON' and you actively have to switch them off. My wife is in medical insurance and goes on at me all the time, that if my helmet cam catches me dying in a crash, where i was speeding, the life insurance wont pay out.... etc. etc. She's always cheery about these things

 

[jimbo]

He's suggesting that if you had a crash whist a safety device that would have avoided the crash was disabled and subsequently claimed on your insurance they may have a right to refuse to pay out because your own action in disabling the safety device resulted in the accident. Not too dissimilar in principle to smashing your car with a club hammer and then claiming for the damage you caused. I'm sure the insurers will start to look at this kind of thing as safety kit becomes almost universal on all transport. Wheelied and flipped your bike sir? Sorry, that wouldn't be possible unless you had disabled the anti-wheelie control, we won't pay out on that.

"Not too dissimilar in principle to smashing your car with a club hammer" Really? I mean you really thing disabling an optional control is similar to deliberate vandalism?

 

[Beemerman59]

Yes sorry, thats what i was getting at. The safety devices come set to 'ON' and you actively have to switch them off. My wife is in medical insurance and goes on at me all the time, that if my helmet cam catches me dying in a crash, where i was speeding, the life insurance wont pay out.... etc. etc. She's always cheery about these things

That's hardly the same thing though is it. Speeding is illegal wheras selecting an optional setting provided by the manufacturer is not. How about adjustable suspension? If you forgot to deselect two up with luggage mode when riding solo and you had a crash would that invalidate your insurance? I think not. Its just scaremongering minus the facts.

 

[RevvingRev]

"Not too dissimilar in principle to smashing your car with a club hammer" Really? I mean you really thing disabling an optional control is similar to deliberate vandalism?

It's not a great example (the hammer) a better one might be the situation in a workplace where something falls on your head but you're not wearing your hard hat.

The insurance company will still pay you for your injury but will apply a contributory negligence factor and reduce any payout Abu a percentage. (Doubt this applies to life insurance) but definitely apply in an RTA situation.

 

[Beemerman59]

It's not a great example (the hammer) a better one might be the situation in a workplace where something falls on your head but you're not wearing your hard hat.

The insurance company will still pay you for your injury but will apply a contributory negligence factor and reduce any payout Abu a percentage. (Doubt this applies to life insurance) but definitely apply in an RTA situation.

If you're suggesting an optional accessory/software setting could be proved as being the root cause of an accident, aren't you also suggesting that the manufacturer, in this case BMW, would also be liable for having allowed it to happen? I don't get that myself, in the same way as I don't believe any vehicle manufacturer in the world has ever been sued for allowing a vehicle to be able to break the speed limit.

 

[Nick V]

The TC is based on wheel speed, from the ABS sensors.

The above is quite true.

There isn't anything on the bike like wheelie control to detect the pitch of the bike.

Yes, and no.
I have yet to work on an R1200 here that doesn't have Dynamic ESA, but if you remove the left-hand radiator panel on a Dynamic ESA-equipped bike, you will see a travel sensor connected to the A-arm by a pushrod. This is the front suspension-load sensor, and its sole function is to send a THAT AIN'T CRICKET!!!! signal to the engine ECU when it detects that front suspension travel is below a pre-set limit.
So no, the bike doesn't have a pitch sensor as such. But the sensor that is there serves that very function.

If you remove the small black plastic cover under the rider's seat (left-hand side), you will see a second travel sensor, connected to the rear suspension. This one is to prevent unwitting endos under sudden panic braking. If it detects that rear suspension travel is below a pre-set limit, it releases pressure on the front brake circuit via the ABS regulator.

I thought they only wheelied when pro plug was installed.

Regardless of Enduro Pro plug installation, the bike will only wheelie (and perform stoppies) if the ASC is disabled by the rider, or the ASC does not pass the diagnostic self-check after the bike starts to move.
In either case, you should see the yellow warning light on the instrument cluster.