Nick Sanders 50,000 mile S10 strip down.
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I paid £134.23 for the 6000 mile service at Orwell in Ipswich a couple of months ago. I thought that was pretty reasonable.
Matt
Tank
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Piaf. What is the bhp on your bike? Is it set to the maximum for France 105?
If it is full power I would be concerned letting a French bike dealer service it as they have 'ways' of detuning them when they are serviced or so I have been told.
I had the lights changed on my Tiger at Triumph St Lo but no way will I let them anywhere near it to service it, etc I get it done in England!
If it is full power I would be concerned letting a French bike dealer service it as they have 'ways' of detuning them when they are serviced or so I have been told.
I had the lights changed on my Tiger at Triumph St Lo but no way will I let them anywhere near it to service it, etc I get it done in England!
Piaf
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It is set to 105 it has never been 110 as it originates from France, all it's service history has been recorded at Saint-Lo and up to now not a single problem from it in nearly 3 years. Never had to add additional oil or coolant between services.
Only downside is having to buy petrol now and again.
If you are concerned about them detuning your bike have a talk to them I am sure they would just carry out whatever type of service you require without having to 'alter' things.
I looked long and very hard at the S10 which had only been out 6 months or so when I was changing my r1150gs.
As a solo bike it was better in my opinion than the R1200GS, the KTM Adventure ,the Stelvio and the R1200 Adventure.
BUT the standard panniers were a joke, my wife hated the rear pillion accomodation and I wanted the extended range of the Adventure (after having the 32 litre tank on my gs).
As for doing 50,000 miles with no problems I wish my 1150 had been able to without 3 final drive rebuilds before being fitted with a brand new bevel box.
Since selling it the transmission has subseqently grenaded itself .
I eventually bought a twin cam Adventure but will look very closely in the future if Yamaha introduce a large tank option and revised rear peg arrangements on the S10.
Local dealer says they have had very few warranty problems and those they have had were all very minor (mainly due to corrosion on brake line fittings etc)
As a solo bike it was better in my opinion than the R1200GS, the KTM Adventure ,the Stelvio and the R1200 Adventure.
BUT the standard panniers were a joke, my wife hated the rear pillion accomodation and I wanted the extended range of the Adventure (after having the 32 litre tank on my gs).
As for doing 50,000 miles with no problems I wish my 1150 had been able to without 3 final drive rebuilds before being fitted with a brand new bevel box.
Since selling it the transmission has subseqently grenaded itself .
I eventually bought a twin cam Adventure but will look very closely in the future if Yamaha introduce a large tank option and revised rear peg arrangements on the S10.
Local dealer says they have had very few warranty problems and those they have had were all very minor (mainly due to corrosion on brake line fittings etc)
BBB61
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How can they possibly make a 6k service take over 3 hours
The dealer showed me the service schedule set out by Yamaha on the screen and that was how long Yamaha say it should take.
BBB61
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I paid £134.23 for the 6000 mile service at Orwell in Ipswich a couple of months ago. I thought that was pretty reasonable.
Matt
Matt,
This was a price quoted by a London dealer within the M25 so it is bound to be more than in Ipswich. The other quote by a dealer in Hertfordshire of £350 did seem rather high.
Tank
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To be honest Piaf I would not let them touch it with a barge pole! And I would never let the local toyota stealer near our car again as had some work done in Flers at the Toyota stealer there and they screwed up a couple of jobs on the car blaming it on the fact it was a RHD model, ffs they were only fitting a tow bar!! So all works carried out in England or by me
I can appreciate you getting it done here as it is supplied from here anyway.
BTW I read something recently that said the bhp law is finally going to be lifted here is 2016, about time too as way overdue. Have you heard anything? Think it was on a forum somewhere.
Piaf
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To be honest Piaf I would not let them touch it with a barge pole! And I would never let the local toyota stealer near our car again as had some work done in Flers at the Toyota stealer there and they screwed up a couple of jobs on the car blaming it on the fact it was a RHD model, ffs they were only fitting a tow bar!! So all works carried out in England or by me
I can appreciate you getting it done here as it is supplied from here anyway.
BTW I read something recently that said the bhp law is finally going to be lifted here is 2016, about time too as way overdue. Have you heard anything? Think it was on a forum somewhere.
Motards en Colere were protesting against the proposed Controle Technique for bikes in 2016 (amongst other things). It was muted that there may be a trade off against the power limit. I have not heard anything since but I would not put it past them to pull it off, so fingers crossed.
I guess that's why S10's have such strong residuals
Is there room inside a yamaha for residents? And what gives them the strength when they live inside a motorcycle.
This seems to be a more common trait nowadays ... people living inside bikes.
Recently I read that Moto Guzzi's had 'weak residuals', and that some Honda's had good ones.
Ive just checked my 1150 to see if anybody was living in it, and found it to be a lonely place, with nobody within. I live in a nice area. Maybe its because there are no habitable spaces in a bmw.
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Tank
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Motards en Colere were protesting against the proposed Controle Technique for bikes in 2016 (amongst other things). It was muted that there may be a trade off against the power limit. I have not heard anything since but I would not put it past them to pull it off, so fingers crossed.
The FFMC are campaigning against the Controle Technic too but for me I would be fine with having an MOT introduced for bikes in France IF we have the full power bought in.
As you say I will be watching that space! Enjoy the sun
My 6k service was £199 from a main Yamaha dealer.
The savings for me will be out of warranty, the basics are a doddle with the 6k, 12k and 18k services all being no more than oil / filter / plugs, anything I don't want to tackle can be done by my local indie for £42 per hour.
More savings for me come from not feeling the need to pay another £400 a year for the extended warranty.
I don't think any modern bike is cheap to service if you used franchised dealers, the S10 is about £1150 for the 6/12/18/24k and the old GS would set me back £1300 for the same services, pus a few hundred extra for the "annual" elements.
Not enough to sway a purchase decision for most people, assuming 6k per year the Yamaha is £300 per year to a GS at about £400 - taking into account fuel / insurance / tax and tyres that £100 is not very significant.
The savings for me will be out of warranty, the basics are a doddle with the 6k, 12k and 18k services all being no more than oil / filter / plugs, anything I don't want to tackle can be done by my local indie for £42 per hour.
More savings for me come from not feeling the need to pay another £400 a year for the extended warranty.
I don't think any modern bike is cheap to service if you used franchised dealers, the S10 is about £1150 for the 6/12/18/24k and the old GS would set me back £1300 for the same services, pus a few hundred extra for the "annual" elements.
Not enough to sway a purchase decision for most people, assuming 6k per year the Yamaha is £300 per year to a GS at about £400 - taking into account fuel / insurance / tax and tyres that £100 is not very significant.
Roge
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He did his first RTW trip (record) on a Triumph Daytona 900, the next on an R1. His touring gear is a clean set of Jocks and a credit card. If you get to speak to him he was a bordering on international cycling racer but when he realised he was not going to make it decided to ride his race bike to the source of the Nile, only to realise that when he got there he had to ride back!
It just shows how much variation there is between main dealers for service costs, whatever the manufacturer. The £134 I paid seems pretty reasonable indeed.
When Orwell looked at the Yamaha service schedule, the 6000 mile service is for an oil change but apparently not the filter? We agreed this was a bit odd and so they changed the filter as well.
Cheers,
Matt
BBB61
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How do you work out that the Yamaha will cost £300 a year and the GS £400 based on 6k a year? At that mileage the annual element that you still show a total lack of understanding of won't be a factor. Final drive and gearbox oil are changed either every 12k or two years on a GS and if you are doing 6k a year then they will form part of the normal 12k service schedule. Brake fluid would be changed every two years and this would be done at the 12k service. Plugs are changed every 24k on GS's up to 2010 and twin cams from 2010 on they are changed every 12k, same as the plug change interval on the Super Ten.
As for savings out of warranty the same savings can be made on a GS by either doing it yourself or taking the bike to a good independent such as Motoscot, RGM, Steptoe or Brian Giles.
One last thing Rasher, you say you had work done on your GS under warranty that cost over £1000 in total. What work was needed?
Assumed the annual bit would add about £50 per annum, don't really understand how the BMW schedules work out, my assumption was if you do 6k per year most of it is done by normal services, but some fluids need doing every year / other year. If it is all part of scheduled servicing the difference would be about £50 per year.
The GS went in twice for a clutch issue where the clutch would lose pressure and keep needing the lever pumped to get it working again, not convinced it was fixed, but as it only really showed up after a couple of hours on the motorway it was not a real issue but concerning in case it was the start of something more serious.
It blew both forks seals and warped both discs on a trip, had a gearbox leak, heated grip failure (not covered by warranty) and some sort of clonking from the front end. It also brought on the warning light on the last trip I did, this stayed on for several days and then cleared about 2 miles from the dealers when I went to get it looked at
BBB61
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£50 a year for the annual stuff is very different from your initial claim of "pus a few hundred extra for the "annual" elements."
A few hundred extra over four years, I was just saying how over a 24,000 mile service cycle the difference may be around £300.
F*** me I had forgotten how f***** tetchy you GS owners are, I had not even mentioned the costs of FPC's and Final drives which over £24k is likely to be another £18,000.
BBB61
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I see someone getting tetchy and it's not me
Using your own figure of £50 a year that is £200, not "a few hundred". 6k a year there would mean no requirement for additional annual services as the necessary work would be carried out.
Your Super Ten will also need its brake fluid changed every two years or so as well as fork oil changing, possibly every 12k. Coolant will also need to be changed (probably 2-3 years) so there are also annual requirements for the Super Ten which you need to allow for.
So in other words, Rasher is telling porkies, as per usual
By the way, my original 2005 1200GS, which I sold last month, was still on the original final drive and EWS. The FPC expired only when the bike was 7.5years old and the replacement only cost £40, which I fitted myself.
But thanks for the entertainment with your grasp of service costs
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