NT1100 2025 model updates

[Davey B]

Looks like a good replacement for my ATAS. Not sure how Honda justify the 5K price differential for a 2025 ATAS with electronic suspension, panniers and DCT.

I'd been looking at a replacement for my 2017 DCT for some time...ideally something 30kg+ lighter....but that doesn't seem to exist for a suitable 2 up bike....so the NT does seem to tick the boxes (I never go off road, may do a short gravel track) Do I chuck €13k at an as new 200km 2024 one or wait and pay c€18k for one of these ? (Incl top box)

 

[leadfarmer]

I'd been looking at a replacement for my 2017 DCT for some time...ideally something 30kg+ lighter....but that doesn't seem to exist for a suitable 2 up bike....so the NT does seem to tick the boxes (I never go off road, may do a short gravel track) Do I chuck €13k at an as new 200km 2024 one or wait and pay c€18k for one of these ? (Incl top box)

As someone who does a lot of 2 up riding and often with luggage electronic suspension is a must for me, even if it was only preload on a button it's a game changer

 

[Davey B]

I had it on my GSA..2013 to 2017....not missed it on the AT as I put Nitron rear shock and updated fork inners.....I'll be waiting until mid March anyway so will see how the land lies...

 

[The Borderer]

Sat on my one this week although i wont be putting on the road until 1st March so Im just tormenting myself, I've been informed my dealership will be putting a DCT ES on the road as a demo next week so a test is on the cards, Mine is in the showroom with a Sold sticker on it acting as bait for the tyre kickers.

 

[Mr Derek]

A few months ago I pointed out that the NT1100 had over-complicated switch gear. Arsey mocked, as is his way.

Today Ride and Motorcycle Sports and Leisure arrived in my Readly app. Both tested the NT100.

Ride said, "The dash and switchgear frustrate and irritate in equal measure. Cluttered and confused switchgear.... It's in desperate need of a complete refresh."

MSL said, " Disappointing though, is the retention of the unmodified, ergonomically challenging left-hand switchgear. Now with even more adjusters to deal with the electronic systems, there are an unbelievable 16 buttons and switches to navigate." A letter in MSL described it as being "undermined by. truly the worst, most complicated switchgear ever..."

It may be a best seller, but it's not without fault. This particular fault has been pointed out by numerous journalists with both the old and the new iterations of the bike. Honda (and Arsey) knows best, of course. Does Honda ever read reviews or are they so convinced that they never get it wrong that they feel they don't need to? It seems like an easy thing to correct, especially as they recently did an overall update. Or are they happy with a good bike not becoming an excellent bike?

 

[stever1]

A few months ago I pointed out that the NT1100 had over-complicated switch gear. Arsey mocked, as is his way.

Today Ride and Motorcycle Sports and Leisure arrived in my Readly app. Both tested the NT100.

Ride said, "The dash and switchgear frustrate and irritate in equal measure. Cluttered and confused switchgear.... It's in desperate need of a complete refresh."

MSL said, " Disappointing though, is the retention of the unmodified, ergonomically challenging left-hand switchgear. Now with even more adjusters to deal with the electronic systems, there are an unbelievable 16 buttons and switches to navigate." A letter in MSL described it as being "undermined by. truly the worst, most complicated switchgear ever..."

It may be a best seller, but it's not without fault. This particular fault has been pointed out by numerous journalists with both the old and the new iterations of the bike. Honda (and Arsey) knows best, of course. Does Honda ever read reviews or are they so convinced that they never get it wrong that they feel they don't need to? It seems like an easy thing to correct, especially as they recently did an overall update. Or are they happy with a good bike not becoming an excellent bike?

Yes, there are more than 2buttons, but you know what. If you concentrate on your riding they make no difference at all.
Perhaps these things challenge the intellectually challenged , and folk who don’t get on with them should ride something else.
Like a child’s trycicle .
I also initially thought it a bit complex. Then, like a bolt from the blue, I thought f##k it, and just enjoyed a 3 hour demo bike ride.
Then placed an order.
How many times did this mythical problem cause me a problem whilst out on the bike….not once.

 

[Mzokk]

I went from a Wonderwheel R1200RT LC to an Africa Twin Adventure sports. The left hand cluster has 14 Buttons on the non-dct bike and 16 on the DCT model. The BMW system is easier to pick up but it does not have Android Auto/Apple Carplay which most of the Honda Buttons are there to accommodate its not a show stopper. I get on with the Honda Buttons fine now and as a side benefit I can button my shirt through my jumper and I'm a virtuoso on the Button Accordion

 

[Arsey]

It's still got over complicated switch gear, the horn where the indicators go and vice versa and a silly split display screen. It's a no from me, as if anyone cares.
This could have been a brilliant bike, but has been let down by irritating details.

Quite amazing it’s the best selling sports tourer given the horn is in the wrong place

A few months ago I pointed out that the NT1100 had over-complicated switch gear. Arsey mocked, as is his way.

Today Ride and Motorcycle Sports and Leisure arrived in my Readly app. Both tested the NT100.

Ride said, "The dash and switchgear frustrate and irritate in equal measure. Cluttered and confused switchgear.... It's in desperate need of a complete refresh."

MSL said, " Disappointing though, is the retention of the unmodified, ergonomically challenging left-hand switchgear. Now with even more adjusters to deal with the electronic systems, there are an unbelievable 16 buttons and switches to navigate." A letter in MSL described it as being "undermined by. truly the worst, most complicated switchgear ever..."

It may be a best seller, but it's not without fault. This particular fault has been pointed out by numerous journalists with both the old and the new iterations of the bike. Honda (and Arsey) knows best, of course. Does Honda ever read reviews or are they so convinced that they never get it wrong that they feel they don't need to? It seems like an easy thing to correct, especially as they recently did an overall update. Or are they happy with a good bike not becoming an excellent bike?

Oh dear . You are a sensitive soul , aren’t you !

Many if not all modern Hondas have the horn and the indicator switch transposed to the ‘norm’.
It’s really not an issue, especially if it’s your only bike .I have four bikes and my Wing has this setup. I can’t recall when I last hooted instead of indicating.
Journos also complain about the Wing having too many buttons and switches. But it’s all intuitive and you soon get used to it .
Righting a bike off because at first sight the switch gear looks overly complicated is a tad short sighted, and cutting your nose off to spite your face.
I’d rather the Honda setup than the ridiculous system on the R1300GS where tiy have to delve into TFT menus to get the up/down button to be set to control your heated grips or electric screen etc.

Yes, there are more than 2buttons, but you know what. If you concentrate on your riding they make no difference at all.
Perhaps these things challenge the intellectually challenged , and folk who don’t get on with them should ride something else.
Like a child’s trycicle .
I also initially thought it a bit complex. Then, like a bolt from the blue, I thought f##k it, and just enjoyed a 3 hour demo bike ride.
Then placed an order.
How many times did this mythical problem cause me a problem whilst out on the bike….not once.

Exactly . Winker blinkerdom at its finest .

Even the switchgear on the latest Honda 350s would cause piss boiling on here



Overly complicated aged, as horn is in the wrong place, FFS.

 

[stever1]

A few months ago I pointed out that the NT1100 had over-complicated switch gear. Arsey mocked, as is his way.

Today Ride and Motorcycle Sports and Leisure arrived in my Readly app. Both tested the NT100.

Ride said, "The dash and switchgear frustrate and irritate in equal measure. Cluttered and confused switchgear.... It's in desperate need of a complete refresh."

MSL said, " Disappointing though, is the retention of the unmodified, ergonomically challenging left-hand switchgear. Now with even more adjusters to deal with the electronic systems, there are an unbelievable 16 buttons and switches to navigate." A letter in MSL described it as being "undermined by. truly the worst, most complicated switchgear ever..."

It may be a best seller, but it's not without fault. This particular fault has been pointed out by numerous journalists with both the old and the new iterations of the bike. Honda (and Arsey) knows best, of course. Does Honda ever read reviews or are they so convinced that they never get it wrong that they feel they don't need to? It seems like an easy thing to correct, especially as they recently did an overall update. Or are they happy with a good bike not becoming an excellent bike?

Oh, don’t try a Goldwing……your brain will melt.

 

[Davey B]

I test rode a 2025 DCT on Friday...quite literally showroom fresh as they took the price tag off and wheeled it outside for me. Overall, enjoyed the ride. The switchgear will take some getting used to but I'd imagine I'll set whatever I need to set and leave it be.....well..on the 2024 low mileage 6mth old one I actually bought yesterday (collect tomorrow)
As regards Honda not listening....moans about the 22-24 panniers were that they weren't quite big enough for a helmet....the 2025 ones now fit a helmet. The 22-24 models had a screen that could only be adjusted off the bike...the 25 model can be done while on the bike (why more manufacturers can't do a electric adjustable one I'll never know) Honda seem to have listened

 

[Arsey]

Yes, there are more than 2buttons, but you know what. If you concentrate on your riding they make no difference at all.
Perhaps these things challenge the intellectually challenged , and folk who don’t get on with them should ride something else.
Like a child’s trycicle .
I also initially thought it a bit complex. Then, like a bolt from the blue, I thought f##k it, and just enjoyed a 3 hour demo bike ride.
Then placed an order.
How many times did this mythical problem cause me a problem whilst out on the bike….not once.

I test rode a 2025 DCT on Friday...quite literally showroom fresh as they took the price tag off and wheeled it outside for me. Overall, enjoyed the ride. The switchgear will take some getting used to but I'd imagine I'll set whatever I need to set and leave it be.....well..on the 2024 low mileage 6mth old one I actually bought yesterday (collect tomorrow)
As regards Honda not listening....moans about the 22-24 panniers were that they weren't quite big enough for a helmet....the 2025 ones now fit a helmet. The 22-24 models had a screen that could only be adjusted off the bike...the 25 model can be done while on the bike (why more manufacturers can't do a electric adjustable one I'll never know) Honda seem to have listened

It’s frankly ridiculous for someone on here to complain that Honda didn’t listen when , as you point out , they rectified virtually everything that owners of the first model complained about ,which was also pointed out by the MCN review in post #39.

 

[alan29]

I have found that I only use the buttons I need - horn, indicators and enginr modes. Not interested in Android auto etc. I didn't buy the bike for the toys.
Don't spend my rides wanting to move the screen up and down either. I ride it to ride.

 

[zoltan]

A few months ago I pointed out that the NT1100 had over-complicated switch gear. Arsey mocked, as is his way.
Honda (and Arsey) knows best, of course.

Well...Arsey is used to switch gears, so 14 bits of switch gear he can do with his cock in sleep. Maybe you need a co pilot... N'est-ce pas?

 

[Mr Derek]

Oh, don’t try a Goldwing……your brain will melt.

I had a Gold Wing. Easy peasy. No problems at all with the buttons. It's funny that the journalists have a problem with NT1100 switchgear but the experts here don't. As I'm not going to buy one, it matters not one jot to me. I simply find Honda's reluctance to sort the only thing people have criticised the bike for surprising. And as for Arsey disliking my comment, no fucks given here.

 

[stever1]

I had a Gold Wing. Easy peasy. No problems at all with the buttons. It's funny that the journalists have a problem with NT1100 switchgear but the experts here don't. As I'm not going to buy one, it matters not one jot to me. I simply find Honda's reluctance to sort the only thing people have criticised the bike for surprising. And as for Arsey disliking my comment, no fucks given here.

It obviously does matter or you wouldn’t have commented.
In reality, the switch gear isn’t that bad as I set most things before riding. I only occasionally alter things whilst riding other than the usual stuff like indicators etc.
Any normal rider wouldn’t find this a problem, but I do accept that there are a growing number of riders out there that would find things like this annoying.
I believe it’s partly due to the modern trend for lots of gadgets and full interconnectivity on bikes.
It’s like a pendulum, at one end there are the dinosaurs who can ride anything, at the other are the riders I call ‘the Borg’ ( a reference to the Star Trek Borg who are a combination of Organic and machine and have no independent thought)
We all see them, 10 minutes turning on intercoms, cameras etc and can’t move until all is linked and in balance.
Personally, if I ever get to the stage where a few buttons bother me it’ll be time to give up motorcycles.

 

[Davey B]

I had a Gold Wing. Easy peasy. No problems at all with the buttons. It's funny that the journalists have a problem with NT1100 switchgear but the experts here don't. As I'm not going to buy one, it matters not one jot to me. I simply find Honda's reluctance to sort the only thing people have criticised the bike for surprising. And as for Arsey disliking my comment, no fucks given here.

I sort of get what you're saying re the switchgear...I'll wager it'll have a makeover in the next year or two. An hours riding this morning and I now instinctively know what I actually need to use regularly....and it is straightforward. As bike journos ride different bikes all the time, anything away from the norm will be a pain in the arse for them....I recall them all moaning about BMWs indicators 20 yrs ago....everyone who rode them regularly seemed to do just fine tho.

 

[Wrigsby1]

Made me laugh re the bickering re switchgear... Yes, I've looked at NTs... Great looking package in the spirit of original GSing but BM did pull a blinder with the "wonder wheel"... Must have a patent on this complication made simple...

 

[Arsey]

 

[CC Mac]

Now’t wrong with Hondas

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Got a Crosstourer DCT, very happy with it.

 

[Mzokk]

Well...Arsey is used to switch gears, so 14 bits of switch gear he can do with his cock in sleep. Maybe you need a co pilot... N'est-ce pas?

FFS that's not a mental picture I wanted to be stuck with