Only new Altbergs from now on

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It sounds like thanks to a few pricks, Altberg have been deterred from doing their refurbishment service .................

From Alt-Berg:
We have received emails from some customers asking why we have decided to discontinue our refurbishment service from 7th December 2011 (it was wrongly stated in the previous email as 2012 – a typing error).
We have offered our refurbishment service for the past 15 years – and it is with regret that we’ve decided to withdraw the service.
We have never made any profit from refurbished boots – the amount of work we do in stripping the boot down, and then re-making ‘from scratch’ – as well as hand-cutting key worn components costs about 60% more than the work we do in a brand new boot. But we’ve always accepted this, because we felt it was a good thing to do environmentally, and we felt it was genuinely appreciated by our customers – in spite of the fact that we lost money on every pair.
We occasionally would have issues with a customer who would expect refurbished boots to be equally as good as a brand new boot!!! But refurbished boots are not as good – the leather and stitching are worn, and not so waterproof – and most of the key components are old – we don’t replace everything! Normally after we explained to customers that their expectations should be realistic, the majority of customers accepted this – but there were exceptions – and they could be very time consuming, as well as causing a good deal of stress for our office and factory staff who had to reply to their ongoing sequence of emails, telephone calls and letters.
We believe that the recession has made things much more difficult for everyone, and this may be the reason why, during the last 6 months, we have seen an increase in customers who are uncompromising in their expectancy of our refurbishment service.
We refurbish about 20 pairs each week, and with the vast majority there are no problems – however – there have been three specific cases in the last 6 months where customers have been so confrontational and aggressive, that in our opinion, it fell little short of bullying in order to get what they wanted – and if they didn’t get what they wanted, they stated quite clearly that they would use social media to discredit our reputation.
Everyone who works at Alt-Berg cares very much about the business, and about our customers – it is our livelihoods – and like all small businesses we do not have the time, or resources to handle what we believe are sustained, ongoing, unreasonable complaints – and an expectancy that a refurbished boot should be equal to a brand new boot in terms of performance and durability is unreasonable.
One of the three complainants we have had in the last six months was steadfast in his belief that having purchased a pair of Alt-Berg boots in 2002 – he should never be expected to purchase another pair again – he expected that by having them refurbished, they would last forever. Also the time from new to 1st refurbishment was 6 years – so he expected a further 6 years once refurbished – anything else was unacceptable – and Alt-Berg’s problem!
The email/letter exchange with this customer lasted over 5 weeks – he was adamant that if we could not offer him a further refurbishment, free of charge then we should give him a new pair of boots!
There is no way that we, as a small business, can handle this – and for the office and factory staff, the situation was unacceptably stressful.
Last week, after considering the situation, we have had to conclude that the refurbishment service – although ‘well meant’ – is open to abuse, and so with a genuine sense of regret, we decided to discontinue the service.
We continue to offer our resole service – done in our factory, on the original lasts – and if there is any way in which we can sustain the lifetime of Alt-Berg boots – short of full refurbishment – then we will certainly do what we can.
We very much appreciate our customers – and we continue to appreciate the work that you give us.
I hope that this email explains the situation from our side.
Mike Sheehan, and all at Alt-Berg
 
Now that is a shame ................... The feeling that knowing that I'd be able to get my boots refurbished if needed was sort of reassuring. Knowing the company believed in its products.

Maybe if enough decent people wrote to them asking for this service to be continued, even if it meant signing on the dotted line an acceptance of the reasonable limitations of the refurbishment service before Altberg start the work, this could be found acceptable to the company and the service continued.

The good reputation of Altberg is second to none and I can understand that their need and desire to maintain it but part of it was founded on the fact that they were prepared to refurbish their own boots

I shall be writing to them to ask them to reconsider.
 
Now that is a shame ................... The feeling that knowing that I'd be able to get my boots refurbished if needed was sort of reassuring. Knowing the company believed in its products.

Maybe if enough decent people wrote to them asking for this service to be continued, even if it meant signing on the dotted line an acceptance of the reasonable limitations of the refurbishment service before Altberg start the work, this could be found acceptable to the company and the service continued.

The good reputation of Altberg is second to none and I can understand that their need and desire to maintain it but part of it was founded on the fact that they were prepared to refurbish their own boots

I shall be writing to them to ask them to reconsider.

Well done that man, a very good idea indeed.
Now maybe if enough people write to them it might just work.
 
It is a shame but even if you were asked to sign some sort of document re the refurbishment, it would never stop the grief they have apparently gone through with certain individuals.

The only way to ensure their staff don't get abused and their reputation remains intact (even if the social media allegations may not be substantiated) is to take the course of action outlined above.

I would be more than happy to buy a new pair in the event my current ones die....and that looks like a long time yet despite owning them for 6 years and wearing them virtually every day for the last two years...!
 
A great shame indeed. One of the reasons we got a pair of Altberg boots for SWMBO was the ability to have them refurbished when the time came (which after two years of daily use is still a long way away) but we certainly wouldn't expect them to perform like a brand new pair once they had been refurbished. To think there are arseholes out there who think that the refurb service will make the boots last for ever and make them as good as new!:mad:
 
It is interesting that the company had even continued the refurbishment service as long as they did. It would appear to be a case of accepting the losses as a cost of the marketing benefits.

They are still offering a resole service so the major wearing part of the boots can still be replaced. Reading between the lines they may also fix other bits and pieces What they can't do is supply one pair of boots to last a lifetime. I for one wouldn't expect them to.
 
To be fair to them, guaranteeing their products and providing a refurbishment service are two very different things.

Replacing them if they were badly made and refurbishing them when you have worn them to pieces just do not compare.

If it were your bike and you wanted BMW to make it like new after you had ridden it for X years (and not necessarily looked after it) and expecting it to look like new, would that be reasonable ?

The examples stated must be the tip of the iceberg and I can see how disheartening it must be to make a good boot and provide a loss leading service, only to have people complain that they can't make their much abused boots as good as a new pair. Especially a small company and more so with the ability of idiots to write much bollox on the net about them.

It is a shame but just like with litigation and human rights and no-win-no-fee crap, the few spoil it for the many.
 
This is a great pity. I have received nothing but outstanding service from Altberg.
Their refurbishment service was excellent and will be sorely missed. I had my crash damaged boots returned into service in 2006/07 when they replaced damaged leather at the heel, relined, and resoled them, all for the old refurb price of £39. Whilst they didn't look as "good as new" they have certainly peformed as such since then. I will certainly be writing to them thanking them for their service to date and my hope that they will reconsider re-instating the service. Even if they don't they will still get my custom.

Bob
 
seems to me that they should have just called the bluff of the people who threatended death by forum as a route to getting what they want in way of a successful outcome.

for the simple reason....

if one twat starts to blab on how bad someone or some company is they either get confirmation and everybody knows... so it's a volume survey or they get told to zip it cos their talking out of their rear end.... by the majority who have had good service.

I would also say that... as others have pointed perhaps they (Altberg) should simply have drawn a commercial line under the service and revise their terms and conditions.

get the punter to photograph the boots before sending them in issue a RTM (return to manufacturer number) assess the damage and work/ man hours required via electronic means and then offer a over email estimate service. Prior to offering any work or having the stuff in your warehouse at which point it's your problem already and the boot is on the wrong foot so to speak.

Simple...

but what the hell do I know...:D
 
It is a shame but even if you were asked to sign some sort of document re the refurbishment, it would never stop the grief they have apparently gone through with certain individuals.

The only way to ensure their staff don't get abused and their reputation remains intact (even if the social media allegations may not be substantiated) is to take the course of action outlined above.

I would be more than happy to buy a new pair in the event my current ones die....and that looks like a long time yet despite owning them for 6 years and wearing them virtually every day for the last two years...!

I see your point............... but withdrawing the refurbishment service that was seen by many purchasers as such a positive thing, even if it's used only by a small percentage of wearers, is as the company accepts, a sad day.

I have written to Mike Sheehan and I hope he will see the support from other ordinary customers that his company has, and that he can find a way of not letting a few twats spoil it for the rest of us.
 
never owned a pair of their boots, but one thing i noticed when reading their communiqué: if i had a pair of originally waterproof boots refurbished. i would expect them to be waterproof again when done.

they appear to think that is unreasonable? :nenau
 
Just another sad example of the rampant 'entitlement culture' that seems to be spoiling so many things in life... :mad:

It'd be interesting if they'd called these twat's bluff, with a 'name & shame' page on their Website.
 
Great shame this, my Field & Fell boots I use for work are now 8 years old and still going strong and I wouldn't wear any other brand at work - waterproof, tough, functional and comfortable.

Always intended to use this refurb service when the boots needed it :(
 
Reading between the lines they may also fix other bits and pieces What they can't do is supply one pair of boots to last a lifetime. I for one wouldn't expect them to.

That's the way I read it.....;)

Shame all 'round....How did the world end up like this?.....:nenau
 
Shame all 'round....How did the world end up like this?.....:nenau

Perhaps the world hasn't and it's just the west suffering from materialism, greed, failure to accept personal responsibility for ones actions and the penchant for USA style "liability" litigation.

Anyway, I must dash, the .4 revision to the software on the hyperfone systems touch screen interface has just been announced and I have to be the first one in my circle to have it otherwise I'm a life failure.:eek:
 
I think thats quite clever marketing on Alt Berg behalf, they've outed the knob that was wanting to slander them, they've told you what realistically a refurb set of boots would be like, so we're sliding the blame onto knob for a reduced service (from the sounds of it, it was loss leader anyway) but we're still doing the resole service ?

10/10

If after 6 years your boots are still in good enough nick to be used for another 6 years then maybe you need to revise what your using the boots for ? after 6 years hillwalking for example if I could get the boots resoled it would only be a stop gap measure till funds allowed purchase of a new set, which would probably be another set from the same manufacturer since you have good use out of the old set.
 
Ive had Alterg boots for a few years and they are brilliant as was the reception I got when visiting them prior to purchase A real shame they had to curtail their service because of a few undesirables.
In a previous life I used to deal with the public ,and whilst most are no trouble at all there were the occasional few who were total pricks. You could bend over backwards and jump through hoops for them but they would never be satisfied and yet you still had to be polite even though what I really wanted to do was tell them to f**k off and disappear up their own a**holes.
My daughter works in a bank and she has had so much abuse from some customers you just have to wonder what sort of miserable lives they lead, christ I just wish they would disappear off the face of the earth.


Happy Christmas to you all
 
I've had a pair of Altberg Clubman bots for 14 years plus and used them on and off road and they still do not need a refurb.
At work I'm lucky to get 3 years out of a set of Field and Fells before they have had it (that is more a case of wearing them 200 plus days a year including getting them soaking and then sitting in a van with the heater on which cracks the uppers).
It is good to see that they have kept the service to resole boots.
It's a shame we seem to make very little in this country anymore and Altberg is a success story (plus the owner is a genuinely nice bloke) then they get crap like this from customers.
At the end of the day they are hardly the most expensive boots on the market and if you can get 6 years of what I must assume is hard regular use from a bit of kit it is hardly the end of the world if you then have to buy a new pair.
 
"never owned a pair of their boots, but one thing i noticed when reading their communiqué: if i had a pair of originally waterproof boots refurbished. i would expect them to be waterproof again when done.

they appear to think that is unreasonable?"

I think that you will find that the bootie liner that is the part that makes the boot waterproof cannot be retrospectively be replaced. It is exactly this assumption ( that they will be as good as new) that is the problem. That and a growing number of rude objectionable people who are all too happy to then use the Internet as a way of anonymously slagging people off. Ultimately it will be the consumer that looses out ( as in this case)
 


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