J biker
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Surely just a luck factor with pr4s? Had 3 punctures in under 4k on Pirelli Angels on MTS. Does that then make them prone to punctures as well?
Pilot Road 4 & Punctures?
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Camel Toe
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34000 in 18 mths and last three sets of tyre are PR4's.....get about 4500 miles out of the rear.....not a single puncture......
Off to Morocco soon and thinking of changing to something a bit tougher...... shows the power of media......
Off to Morocco soon and thinking of changing to something a bit tougher...... shows the power of media......
Would an extra mile road touring tyre , say the Avon Storm 3d XM do the job. I will need to change my Tourance next tyres soon and was considering PR4's as I do very little off roading if any but this seems to be a continuing issue with the Michelins.
Camel Toe
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been talking to tyre people like NTS etc and they say PR4's are no more prone to punctures than any other.......do i look at the facts, which are, i havnt had any trouble with the PR4's or jump ship onto TKC70.....tried tourance next and they were same shape as a brick when i got to plymouth.....
I was reading this thread as I have PR4s on my my RS and worried about the puncture issue.
But TBH I love the performance and wet grip so I have decided not to be swayed by the power of the Media / Web any further than making sure I always have a puncture repair kit under my seat.
But TBH I love the performance and wet grip so I have decided not to be swayed by the power of the Media / Web any further than making sure I always have a puncture repair kit under my seat.
I was reading this thread as I have PR4s on my my RS and worried about the puncture issue.
But TBH I love the performance and wet grip so I have decided not to be swayed by the power of the Media / Web any further than making sure I always have a puncture repair kit under my seat.
This....
I picked up an arrow head shaped piece of flint in my rear last week. It took 3 Duraplugs in a line to fix but it did the trick
To be fair the tyre was close to the legal limit anyway as I was hoping to eek out the last few miles before my 3 week trip to Spain and Portugal in a couple of weeks time
Camel Toe
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J biker
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I was reading this thread as I have PR4s on my my RS and worried about the puncture issue.
But TBH I love the performance and wet grip so I have decided not to be swayed by the power of the Media / Web any further than making sure I always have a puncture repair kit under my seat.
Exactly. If you go along with everything on the web, the starting point for worrying would be GS or MTS ownership! Just get the flipping tyres you like.
sven
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It was my first puncture in about 8 years, so I've just ordered another PR 4 GT 
I'll just have to remember to carry my puncture repair kit in future
I'll just have to remember to carry my puncture repair kit in future
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It was my first puncture in about 8 years, so I've just ordered another PR 4 GT
I'll just have to remember to carry my puncture repair kit in future
I thought it was only the PR4 Trail that was suitable for a GS?
sven
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I ride two-up all the time, so the GT is harder wearing in the centre, but still grippy at the edges
I also went for the gt for similar reasons.
My fitter did double check that it was the gt I wanted as there is no gt available for the front ?
My fitter did double check that it was the gt I wanted as there is no gt available for the front ?
In variable conditions, slightly damp or drying roads with wet / damp patches... Typical UK riding conditions! Never ridden a tyre better than these in those types of conditions... So I will.be sticking with them for now.
I do carry a puncture repair kit... For those just in case moments.
sent from planet earth
I do carry a puncture repair kit... For those just in case moments.
sent from planet earth
PR4's - on my second set now and the rears aren't lasting at all well. 3,800 on first and 3.300 on current and I'm complete slick in the centre now. Previous commute was lots of Motorway and dual carriageways but the current tyre has only had country road twisties. They are any awesome tyre though - 6th GS and this reminds me of sports bike days. Brilliant in the wet and crazy good in the dry. Shame they don't last the 6k I've regularly had from previous tyres. Michelin responded that it was due to underinflation when I sent it back - complete bollox....not exactly difficult to check pressures on our bikes now.....its been 42psi every day I've had it...
Rusteeeeeeeenuts
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I have a 2011 GS with of a pair Metzeler Tourance Next with less than a 1000 miles and a small nail smack in the centre of the rear. 150/70 R17 m/c 69 V
I stopped as soon as the tyre pressure alarm came up on the dash. Always carry my pump for touring and so checked the pressure and put in enough to get me home which was only a mile and a half.
The point is that it had not been run flat or on the rims.
I can’t find any company who is willing to inspect the tyre never mind plug and patch the it.
They all come out with the same mantra. Sniff, “elf n safety” mate, “it’s yer life on the line” init and all that torque under yer backside and what about your bike”?
When I’ve had a bit of banter with them and point out the Michelin website then it’s the smiley face and shrugging shoulders and the backup line of, “liability mate”. “Who’d put their name to it and there’s the insurance companies too”. “Anyway mate let me give you a price”.
They may have a point there?
It’s almost like the Americans in the 60s calling someone a “Commie” to frighten them or make them back off and feel guilty if a comment was made that wasn’t welcome.
Been riding for 37 years and picked up my share of punctures all of which have been plugged and vulcanised with no problems so I refuse to feel bad about it.
At the risk of sounding arrogant I don’t accept that I’ve just been lucky because they were repaired correctly.
A few years back Dunlop were giving advice and guidelines on repairing their tyres and now they and all, except for Michelin, won’t allow their tyres to be repaired and will only recommend a new replacement.
If Michelin with all their might, knowledge and experience can recommend repairs to their tyres then I’m changing to them.
I’ve emailed Michelin yesterday to see if they can recommend a tyre fitter in my area, Darlington, that can inspect and repair their tyres, (in case of a puncture) before swapping over to them. If I get a reply, then I post it.
This is take from Michelin's website and it appears to be up to date.
HTTP://MOTO.MICHELIN.CO.UK/ADVICE/FAQ/ABOUT-TYRE-WEAR-MAINTENANCE-AND-REPAIR
HOW DO YOU REPAIR A PUNCTURED TYRE?
All repairs must be done by a trained and qualified professional.
Repair is preceded in all cases by a very careful inspection of the tyre by the professional. Not every kind of damage can be repaired.
A tyre which has been run under-inflated or flat may have suffered irreversible damage, and whether or not the tyre can continue to be used can only be determined by exhaustive checks on the interior of the cover. It is therefore essential to remove the tyre to make a safe judgement of its true condition and the type of repair to be done.
In the event of a puncture, the injection of sealant products (puncture repair aerosol can) through the valve is no more than a partial and temporary solution. These products may pose problems of compatibility with the tyre, the wheel, the valve, a pressure sensor, etc. It is imperative to follow the tyre manufacturer’s recommendations.
Repair is the definitive elimination of tyre damage using the appropriate materials and method with a view to being able to use the tyre again on the motorbike without any restrictions.
Repair from the inside of the tyre is the only method recommended by Michelin.
It’s only my own opinion and based on Michelins’ guidelines I’m prepared to ride with a correctly repaired tyre.
I’ll probably get slaughtered by any “Trolls” who come over this post but genuine opinions are welcome.
Thanks or the post gents.
I stopped as soon as the tyre pressure alarm came up on the dash. Always carry my pump for touring and so checked the pressure and put in enough to get me home which was only a mile and a half.
The point is that it had not been run flat or on the rims.
I can’t find any company who is willing to inspect the tyre never mind plug and patch the it.
They all come out with the same mantra. Sniff, “elf n safety” mate, “it’s yer life on the line” init and all that torque under yer backside and what about your bike”?
When I’ve had a bit of banter with them and point out the Michelin website then it’s the smiley face and shrugging shoulders and the backup line of, “liability mate”. “Who’d put their name to it and there’s the insurance companies too”. “Anyway mate let me give you a price”.
They may have a point there?
It’s almost like the Americans in the 60s calling someone a “Commie” to frighten them or make them back off and feel guilty if a comment was made that wasn’t welcome.
Been riding for 37 years and picked up my share of punctures all of which have been plugged and vulcanised with no problems so I refuse to feel bad about it.
At the risk of sounding arrogant I don’t accept that I’ve just been lucky because they were repaired correctly.
A few years back Dunlop were giving advice and guidelines on repairing their tyres and now they and all, except for Michelin, won’t allow their tyres to be repaired and will only recommend a new replacement.
If Michelin with all their might, knowledge and experience can recommend repairs to their tyres then I’m changing to them.
I’ve emailed Michelin yesterday to see if they can recommend a tyre fitter in my area, Darlington, that can inspect and repair their tyres, (in case of a puncture) before swapping over to them. If I get a reply, then I post it.
This is take from Michelin's website and it appears to be up to date.
HTTP://MOTO.MICHELIN.CO.UK/ADVICE/FAQ/ABOUT-TYRE-WEAR-MAINTENANCE-AND-REPAIR
HOW DO YOU REPAIR A PUNCTURED TYRE?
All repairs must be done by a trained and qualified professional.
Repair is preceded in all cases by a very careful inspection of the tyre by the professional. Not every kind of damage can be repaired.
A tyre which has been run under-inflated or flat may have suffered irreversible damage, and whether or not the tyre can continue to be used can only be determined by exhaustive checks on the interior of the cover. It is therefore essential to remove the tyre to make a safe judgement of its true condition and the type of repair to be done.
In the event of a puncture, the injection of sealant products (puncture repair aerosol can) through the valve is no more than a partial and temporary solution. These products may pose problems of compatibility with the tyre, the wheel, the valve, a pressure sensor, etc. It is imperative to follow the tyre manufacturer’s recommendations.
Repair is the definitive elimination of tyre damage using the appropriate materials and method with a view to being able to use the tyre again on the motorbike without any restrictions.
Repair from the inside of the tyre is the only method recommended by Michelin.
It’s only my own opinion and based on Michelins’ guidelines I’m prepared to ride with a correctly repaired tyre.
I’ll probably get slaughtered by any “Trolls” who come over this post but genuine opinions are welcome.
Thanks or the post gents.
I'm with you 100%
Provided that the tyre was inspected and repaired by a competent tyre fitter I would continue to use it.
Most companies are more interested in selling you a new tyre though, easier and more profitable.
Provided that the tyre was inspected and repaired by a competent tyre fitter I would continue to use it.
Most companies are more interested in selling you a new tyre though, easier and more profitable.
Rusteeeeeeeenuts
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Got a very quick reply from Michelin.
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Hi Andy
Sorry to hear of your recent bad luck regarding the puncture of your tyre
I would recommend that you contact Steve Taylor 01325 316771
NATIONAL BIKE TYRES
UNIT 17, LEASIDE, AYCLIFFE BUS PARK
NEWTON AYCLIFFE
DL5 6HX
Regards
Stuart
Stuart Dozéy
2 Wheel Account Manager
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I've had to replace my back tyre to match the front due to it being nearly new but if I was made of money I'd have changed them both straight off.
At least now I know where the local Michelin dealer is and will give him a try in a years time.
Got nothing to lose and possibly a lot to gain.
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Hi Andy
Sorry to hear of your recent bad luck regarding the puncture of your tyre
I would recommend that you contact Steve Taylor 01325 316771
NATIONAL BIKE TYRES
UNIT 17, LEASIDE, AYCLIFFE BUS PARK
NEWTON AYCLIFFE
DL5 6HX
Regards
Stuart
Stuart Dozéy
2 Wheel Account Manager
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I've had to replace my back tyre to match the front due to it being nearly new but if I was made of money I'd have changed them both straight off.
At least now I know where the local Michelin dealer is and will give him a try in a years time.
Got nothing to lose and possibly a lot to gain.
Rusteeeeeeeenuts
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P.s. and the new tyre was £128
Someone said to me to try the the Avon Storm 3D X-M's for my GSA WC but they don't produce a 120/70/19 Front Tyre. I've ordered another set of Anakee III's
sven
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Another feckin puncture today caused by a sharp piece of gravel 
I hadn't had one since 2007 (Michelin Pilot) and now I've had two punctures on PR4GT's in the space of a few weeks. Luckily I had a plug kit with me and some assistance from a group of bikers on a Bike Tours UK trip who had a portable compressor
I hadn't had one since 2007 (Michelin Pilot) and now I've had two punctures on PR4GT's in the space of a few weeks. Luckily I had a plug kit with me and some assistance from a group of bikers on a Bike Tours UK trip who had a portable compressor 
