I understand BM are refusing any claims where Muc Off has been used. And it sounds as if BM have spotted that you have used it so it seems as if it is indeed no good for at least some bits on the bike.
Please reply if you have had corroded parts replaced under warranty
- Thread starter FatBob
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05 GS
The only part I had done under warranty was the front axle, it went rusty all the way throughin less than a year.
Just found my front egine cover is furred up under the sponge..... (bugger..!)
but I've cleaned it off and touched it up 'til this winter when it will get taken off and powder coated.
Other than that its been fine.
The only part I had done under warranty was the front axle, it went rusty all the way throughin less than a year.
Just found my front egine cover is furred up under the sponge..... (bugger..!)
but I've cleaned it off and touched it up 'til this winter when it will get taken off and powder coated.
Other than that its been fine.
gingercoastie
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Have just found the paint on my front engine cover is bubbling up, also the paint is bubbling up on the fuel filler cap. Taking back to Ocean next week to be assesed.
2007 gsa 13700 miles
2007 gsa 13700 miles
SURMANATOR
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More Rusty parts
I had the left hand headlamp bracket replaced by Vines also rust on the crashbar joints whitch they cleaned up seems ok for the moment Had the issue with the wheels though corroding around the spoke holes cleaned it off with a tooth brush and t cut 58 GSA 7K
I had the left hand headlamp bracket replaced by Vines also rust on the crashbar joints whitch they cleaned up seems ok for the moment Had the issue with the wheels though corroding around the spoke holes cleaned it off with a tooth brush and t cut 58 GSA 7K
I didn't admit to using Muc Off because I have recently read on the forum that BMUK don't like it. It is advertised on the Muc Off website as 'suitable for all bikes' and sold at many bike dealerships and if my BMW dealer or BMUK had said don't use it I wouldn't have.
I will have to use Johnsons Baby shampoo from now on!
http://www.muc-off.com/motorcycle/bike_care/moto_muc_off.html
fundura
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They just don't make em like they use to
i remember they use to advertise them as year round bikes
A mass of corrosion awaits
i remember they use to advertise them as year round bikes
A mass of corrosion awaits
FatBob
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I seem to remember the advertising tagline "Unstoppable" for the GSA.
I didn't notice the small print that said "* Except if its dark or wet outside, then its best to take the bus".
Its getting as bad as british rail. Wrong sort of road salt?
I didn't notice the small print that said "* Except if its dark or wet outside, then its best to take the bus".
Its getting as bad as british rail. Wrong sort of road salt?
NorthernBoy
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I've been upbraided by folks on here before because I don't make a habit of washing down the bike every time I park it up. It seems that some owners think that it is the owners responsibility to make up for BMW flaws rather than to expect a quality product that does not corrode.
The inside of my rear axle is rusting on my six month old bike at the moment, so I'll probably get it looked at, but what on earth are they doing using materials on a motorbike that are prone to this sort of issue? Do they not run everything in an accelerated corrosion test to see what the bikes will be like after ten british winters of neglect?
maybe bikes are the same as they always were and cleaning agents are getting more aggressive?
Nowadays we expect to spay on a "magic" mixture and watch the dirt dissapear, without much thought to what it is doing to the bike.
Perhaps you should be addressing your complaint to "Muc off".
Nowadays we expect to spay on a "magic" mixture and watch the dirt dissapear, without much thought to what it is doing to the bike.
Perhaps you should be addressing your complaint to "Muc off".
elefantmanshawn
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All this aint what they used to be is shite,hands up who had a bmw in the 70-80's,they needed constant fettling to keep right and rusted like a good un,seat pan first,not forgeting bing carbs and the throttle toggle chain still gives me nightmares,there was more to ownership than throwing money at dealers and the quick sqwirt with a powerwasher.
NorthernBoy
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This may be so, but Hondas that I have owned down the years have been simply worlds apart from the BMW experience when it comes to maintaining the finish. I ran a 1999 Fireblade for three years, never washed it once, and took it to be valeted when I put it up for sale. £17 later, I picked it up and it was literally indistinguishable from how it had looked on the day I bought it brand new from the dealers. Three British winters had made absolutely no inroads into any of the gloss, any of the alloy, or any of the fasteners.
Possibly new cleaners are too aggressive, but I don't use them, and so they are certainly not to blame for the warranty repairs due to corrosion on my last GS, and the rusting frame and axle on the current one. It is not enough to put me off what is the perfect bike for my needs, but I really do wonder what on earth they are doing wrong, when compared to some of the competition.
JethroDog
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At the 600 mile service for my '09 GS, my dealer replaced both valve covers....there was some paint peeling where the covers meet the heads. I didn't demand this, so I suspect that it isn't uncommon and the dealership could handle this without dealing with corporate. We had an unusually cold winter here in Germany as well and I made the best of some winter riding. Both the shocks, the pegs, and various bolts show some corrosion, but I doubt that it has compromised any structural integrity.
I agree that we shouldn't have to disinfect the bike after winter riding, but would you rather have the alloy parts replaced with stainless? I didn't ride my '83 RT all winter and it suffered from some corrosion that doesn't usually happen...they salted so much here that I think that it was in the air!
I agree that we shouldn't have to disinfect the bike after winter riding, but would you rather have the alloy parts replaced with stainless? I didn't ride my '83 RT all winter and it suffered from some corrosion that doesn't usually happen...they salted so much here that I think that it was in the air!
elefantmanshawn
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N.B japs build great bikes and hide all the rusty bits under plastic,fast too,why did you buy a bmw?,you meet the nicest people on a honda
Dave Ford
Registered user
My (exceedingly bitter and unfinished) experience with corrosion and BMWs leads me to suggest:
Good luck!
My front cover, less than 18 months' from new
Dave
- Don't lose sight of the fact that you've paid a lot of money for what's marketed as a premium product but, in reality, is not fit for purpose;
- At all times work on the basis that BMW and their dealers will do everything possible to avoid meeting their obligations;
- Don't be put off by bullshit about Muc-Off or "acid or alkali products" - this is simply another attempt by BMW and their dealers to evade their responsibility;
- Get everything in writing;
- Insist that any corrosion is dealt with immediately- don't allow them to delay things until "the winter is over" or "the next service";
- Don't allow the dealer to use the "we'll see what BMW say" excuse. You bought a bike from the dealer, not from "BMW". It is the dealer who is guilty of selling goods that are not fit for purpose - end of story. If your TV failed during the first year, you wouldn't expect, or accept, Comet, Curry's etc. saying "we'll contact Sony/Toshiba/whoever" (and them tell you to f**K off);
- Bear in mind that the present system allows manufacturers and dealers to conspire to rip-off customers by dealers seemingly assigning responsibility for s**t quality to the manufacturer - an organisation with which you've had no dealings and which did not sell you anything;
- Try to ignore some of the crap that is posted on this forum and which merely compounds the scam - by which I mean people suggesting that your best approach is to get to work with the paint stripper, wet and dry, and aerosol - BMW and the dealers must be laughing all the way to the bank.
Good luck!
My front cover, less than 18 months' from new
Dave
Picked up my brand new GSA from the dealer only to find small patch of rust on engine bar already evident before it left the fekkin showroom! This must be a new world record? My concern is firstly the QA standards being operated in the factory, secondly the standard of paint finish being used by the robots, but for me what this small patch of corrosion will look like in 2 years time after the rain and salt has had a go. Thankfully the dealer endorsed my invoice to that effect so I can claim a new bar under warranty at some point. I must admit to suffering a sense of humour failure at the time with the salesman, but I have now calmed down a bit. What made this worse was the fact that this bike was a replacement for a GS which pissed oil out of the engine at 300 miles! and had a slow puncture which nobody could fix and was put down to a faulty wheel cast.
Still love the bike though. Heaven only knows why.
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Still love the bike though. Heaven only knows why.
:NorthernBoy
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Even if they were just hiding the bits, it'd be a start, but even on my very first budget bike (an RXS100) I never had corrosion like I had on my first 1200GS.
My last 'Blade really amazed me in terms of he quality of the alloy, the fasteners, the adjusters, and so on, compared to anything that I've had since.
The thing is, no-one else makes an equivalent bike to the GS. If I were on a BMW sportsbike, I would not be looking at a wholly different prospect if I compared it with the rivals, but the GS is so unusual that there really is not much choice if that is what you want (I did not like the KTM at all, so that one was ruled out).
To be honest, if Honda decided to reproduce the GS with better quality alloys, I'd be very tempted to buy one. Like many others, I am not really very happy at having bought what is not a cheap bike (compared to other brands and types), yet which seems to have some cheap components (or at the very least ones where too much of a sacrifice has been made in some areas).
Rider footpeg rusted under the paint. The dealer quibbled for almost 20 seconds before conceding the warranty replacement.
NOTE: If it was a Triumph I would have expected to get the "Go Your Own Way" instruction from the dealer
EDIT: To the above posters, bikes corrode, get over it. Did you think you could ride it all year with gay aplomb and it would still be shiny after 20k miles? Its not made of ****in platinum, you know!
NOTE: If it was a Triumph I would have expected to get the "Go Your Own Way" instruction from the dealer
EDIT: To the above posters, bikes corrode, get over it. Did you think you could ride it all year with gay aplomb and it would still be shiny after 20k miles? Its not made of ****in platinum, you know!
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NorthernBoy
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Stop being such an asshat, eh? This is an internet forum for discussing the R1200GS, and problems/issues/advice, so whining when people do what it was designed for is, well, ass-hattery of the first degree.
Dealers must pray for customers like you, who will stand there grinning as they eat a shit sandwich, and happily paying fillet steak prices.
The hypocrisy of bitching when others mention corrosion, yet admitting that you did the very same is noted, too.
You can **** right off.
First of all I no longer own a Triumph
I am more of a hypocryte than you, duly noted. In asshat.
Was I bitching? I made a reply to the original thread, then when I read some of the whiny "my little bike has corroded" replies I had to respond.
