Right or wrong?
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this is going to damage someones character, come on Kami name names, pee or get off the pot
this is going to damage someones character, come on Kami name names, pee or get off the pot
Names are already named Trig, it was nearly the first thing Frank did.
Well, since this band wagon is the only one around....
Even ignoring Kami's initial post and based on Franks replies alone it looks a bit suss, if it was the case that I'd been the second instance where, in a short period, a bike was bought at mates rates and sold on at profit I'd be feckin pissed off coz I'd feel cheated.
BTW, "Buyer beware" and "it's Economics" is a crock, you'd expect more from mates, if however it had been the case that no profit was made then there'd have been no harm done, but that's a big IF.
If the weather brightens up tomorrow I think I'll go for a spin up the west coast.
...but that's an even bigger if.
GSless Girl
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I'm delighted Daithi that you think my business is a band wagan, I'm disgusted that my name was dragged into this and before anyone starts that it wasn't Kami that named anyone it was Frank it makes no difference to me.
I sold my bike to my mate Frank for a price I was happy with, I don't feel abused by Frank. I feel very let down by others for trying to drag me into a pile of crap I don't need or want to be in.
I never thought when joining this site that i'd be subjected to this I feel very let down.
Kami is a mate & Frank is a mate I'm just hoping we can all get past this unscathed, quite frankly I don't know what you were thinking of Kami when you started this. But it isn't in my name or interests.
I sold my bike to my mate Frank for a price I was happy with, I don't feel abused by Frank. I feel very let down by others for trying to drag me into a pile of crap I don't need or want to be in.
I never thought when joining this site that i'd be subjected to this I feel very let down.
Kami is a mate & Frank is a mate I'm just hoping we can all get past this unscathed, quite frankly I don't know what you were thinking of Kami when you started this. But it isn't in my name or interests.
To all those named in this thread, I regret that has happened.
If you read my posts, I opened a general discussion on the right or wrong of a way of doing business among members, no names, no specifics, no insults, no drama, no aggression and continued my posts in the same vein.
I have bought stuff on here at good prices from people who no longer needed it. I've used those things. I would not sell them on at a profit, straight away. I would feel I was taking advantage. Some will agree, some won't.....That's what this thread was about.
Frank, however, then waded in, naming names, giving out details of transactions with his clients and friends, being very specific and turned the tone somewhat aggressive.
I'm not going to respond in a similar manner.
However, given that Frank has brought up details of his transactions, I've two questions.
Please don't bring in family medical and weak business environment. Most of us can match you on those. I certainly can.
Don't mention amounts. These are private to your clients and friends.
Don't tell us what you actually sold the bikes for. That's private to you and unverifiable / undeniable.
In both the cases you refer to, however, please do tell us:
1. How many hours after you collected the bikes were they advertised for sale.
2. What percentage over your purchase price were they advertised for.
If you read my posts, I opened a general discussion on the right or wrong of a way of doing business among members, no names, no specifics, no insults, no drama, no aggression and continued my posts in the same vein.
I have bought stuff on here at good prices from people who no longer needed it. I've used those things. I would not sell them on at a profit, straight away. I would feel I was taking advantage. Some will agree, some won't.....That's what this thread was about.
Frank, however, then waded in, naming names, giving out details of transactions with his clients and friends, being very specific and turned the tone somewhat aggressive.
I'm not going to respond in a similar manner.
However, given that Frank has brought up details of his transactions, I've two questions.
Please don't bring in family medical and weak business environment. Most of us can match you on those. I certainly can.
Don't mention amounts. These are private to your clients and friends.
Don't tell us what you actually sold the bikes for. That's private to you and unverifiable / undeniable.
In both the cases you refer to, however, please do tell us:
1. How many hours after you collected the bikes were they advertised for sale.
2. What percentage over your purchase price were they advertised for.
Jo,
I'm very sorry that your name has come up here.
I had no intention of yours or anybody's name being mentioned.
During our discussion in Kerry, I know your position was...I got my price, I'm happy.
Others, including myself, didn't agree.
I think how members do business with each other is important and as a result, started a thread based on a nameless situation.
I still think the question I initially asked is valid and deserves discussion.
Your transaction being discussed publicly, however, is not.
I hope I'll still get a big hug at our next meeting.
Jim.
P.S. I'll shake Frank's hand too based on the fact that I meant him no harm either and in the hope that he'll have calmed down and recognised that by then.
I'm very sorry that your name has come up here.
I had no intention of yours or anybody's name being mentioned.
During our discussion in Kerry, I know your position was...I got my price, I'm happy.
Others, including myself, didn't agree.
I think how members do business with each other is important and as a result, started a thread based on a nameless situation.
I still think the question I initially asked is valid and deserves discussion.
Your transaction being discussed publicly, however, is not.
I hope I'll still get a big hug at our next meeting.
Jim.
P.S. I'll shake Frank's hand too based on the fact that I meant him no harm either and in the hope that he'll have calmed down and recognised that by then.
Starting the thread with specific details which could lead to actual transactions, always has the possibility of offending someone. Just maybe it may have been prudent to ask
"is it ok if I get mate rates and sell on for a profit?"
Instead of suggesting someone lied to get a concession, with intention of making a profit in the first place!
"is it ok if I get mate rates and sell on for a profit?"
Instead of suggesting someone lied to get a concession, with intention of making a profit in the first place!
handiest thing do is close this one up and if anyone has anything they want chat about do it pricately between yourselves
open forum can lead to so many miss communications and/or reading someones posts wrong and taking everything up totally wrong
i do believe and know kami had the best intentions and good will when he opened this hence no names.
but like a lot fo open forums too many opinions and too many people involved.
not all parties wanted know or get involved in this one, so close it up delete it and lets have good day riding in sun
oh can anyone loan me a bike as my last bike still has no front wheel.........
open forum can lead to so many miss communications and/or reading someones posts wrong and taking everything up totally wrong
i do believe and know kami had the best intentions and good will when he opened this hence no names.
but like a lot fo open forums too many opinions and too many people involved.
not all parties wanted know or get involved in this one, so close it up delete it and lets have good day riding in sun
oh can anyone loan me a bike as my last bike still has no front wheel.........
iftikartaxis
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why
i don't think this is a boring thread
if the dude was selling the bike on
did he sell it here if not why not
the first seller placed the post on here to let like minded people have first stab and at a lower price
if the second dude then spent £££££ on it why not sell it here and list the things that had been fixed repaired to cover his costs
i had a little mini given to me free i gave it a mate who was skint and needed a car then he went and sold it
i was sick for the lady who gave it me
he never got or will get anything from me again
just one of them things
some really nice kind caring people on here who give so much and let fellow tossers have stuff really cheap
if everybody sold it on then it will all stop
soap box away
i don't think this is a boring thread
if the dude was selling the bike on
did he sell it here if not why not
the first seller placed the post on here to let like minded people have first stab and at a lower price
if the second dude then spent £££££ on it why not sell it here and list the things that had been fixed repaired to cover his costs
i had a little mini given to me free i gave it a mate who was skint and needed a car then he went and sold it
i was sick for the lady who gave it me
he never got or will get anything from me again
just one of them things
some really nice kind caring people on here who give so much and let fellow tossers have stuff really cheap
if everybody sold it on then it will all stop
soap box away
T900
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I'm very sorry that your name has come up here.
I had no intention of yours or anybody's name being mentioned.
During our discussion in Kerry, I know your position was...I got my price, I'm happy.
Others, including myself, didn't agree.
I think how members do business with each other is important and as a result, started a thread based on a nameless situation.
i agree its important how we do business,to much info given in the first post to be nameless, hence frank defending himself.
I still think the question I initially asked is valid and deserves discussion.
Your transaction being discussed publicly, however, is not.
the question is valid and can be discussed, transaction was discussed to explain to forum readers what the gig was all about.
I hope I'll still get a big hug at our next meeting.
you better hug your nuts, cos jo
has just polished her boots to give one where it hurts
I'm easy going anyway,so i don't give a fiddlers what the out come
Jim.
P.S. I'll shake Frank's hand too based on the fact that I meant him no harm either and in the hope that he'll have calmed down and recognised that by then.[/QUOTE]
might take a bit of time for him to calm down
I had no intention of yours or anybody's name being mentioned.
During our discussion in Kerry, I know your position was...I got my price, I'm happy.
Others, including myself, didn't agree.
I think how members do business with each other is important and as a result, started a thread based on a nameless situation.
i agree its important how we do business,to much info given in the first post to be nameless, hence frank defending himself.
I still think the question I initially asked is valid and deserves discussion.
Your transaction being discussed publicly, however, is not.
the question is valid and can be discussed, transaction was discussed to explain to forum readers what the gig was all about.
I hope I'll still get a big hug at our next meeting.
you better hug your nuts, cos jo
has just polished her boots to give one where it hurtsI'm easy going anyway,so i don't give a fiddlers what the out come
Jim.
P.S. I'll shake Frank's hand too based on the fact that I meant him no harm either and in the hope that he'll have calmed down and recognised that by then.
[/QUOTE]might take a bit of time for him to calm down
I've just come home from HU in Enniskillen. I was aware of this yesterday but didn't have the time/inclination/internet coverage up there to answer it.
It was me who was pissed off with Frank.
I put my bike up on here for sale. He pmed me and asked what price I'd take. I knocked €300 off as he was a mate, he agreed and came and picked the bike up 2 days later.
He told me the bike was for Orla, his missus. I gave him a tank bag and topbox bag free.
As it turned out he had already agreed to buy a second bike 'for Orla' when he picked my bike up.
12 days later the bike I sold him went up on Donedeal at about 30% more than I had sold it.
I was really cross. I subsequently figured part of the reason was I was cross was with me for allowing it to go cheap.
The bike was never re advertised on here as things normally are if bought and don't suit.
I talked to Kami about this last week in Kerry. Part of me is glad it has been aired as I do feel 'had' but part of me would have prefered it wasn't aired on an open forum.
It was me who was pissed off with Frank.
I put my bike up on here for sale. He pmed me and asked what price I'd take. I knocked €300 off as he was a mate, he agreed and came and picked the bike up 2 days later.
He told me the bike was for Orla, his missus. I gave him a tank bag and topbox bag free.
As it turned out he had already agreed to buy a second bike 'for Orla' when he picked my bike up.
12 days later the bike I sold him went up on Donedeal at about 30% more than I had sold it.
I was really cross. I subsequently figured part of the reason was I was cross was with me for allowing it to go cheap.
The bike was never re advertised on here as things normally are if bought and don't suit.
I talked to Kami about this last week in Kerry. Part of me is glad it has been aired as I do feel 'had' but part of me would have prefered it wasn't aired on an open forum.
Thanks for that, Mide.
As I presume you already know, I had no intention of your name or transaction being discussed on an open forum, just the rights and / or wrongs of this TYPE of dealing among members.
As I presume you already know, I had no intention of your name or transaction being discussed on an open forum, just the rights and / or wrongs of this TYPE of dealing among members.
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Totally understandable
Ravenbyrne
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I’m not posting to discuss the rights or wrongs of this thread.
As mentioned in a previous post I did indeed contact Frank to see if he would be interested in buying my 1200GS at a price I was happy with but for less than I had it advertised elsewhere.
I did this knowing Frank was a dealer and that he would be selling it on at a profit. I just didn’t want the hassle of tyre kickers knocking on my door.
Anyway, Frank said he would have to think about it and get back to me.
As it turned out I sold the bike to another dealer before Frank had a chance to get back to me, first come first served.
I would consider both Frank and Mide to be very good friends and I sincerely hope that this issue can be resolved.
Frank we missed you at the HU weekend and hope to see yourself and Orla at the next tossers event.
Now, where, when and who is organising the next event.
As mentioned in a previous post I did indeed contact Frank to see if he would be interested in buying my 1200GS at a price I was happy with but for less than I had it advertised elsewhere.
I did this knowing Frank was a dealer and that he would be selling it on at a profit. I just didn’t want the hassle of tyre kickers knocking on my door.
Anyway, Frank said he would have to think about it and get back to me.
As it turned out I sold the bike to another dealer before Frank had a chance to get back to me, first come first served.
I would consider both Frank and Mide to be very good friends and I sincerely hope that this issue can be resolved.
Frank we missed you at the HU weekend and hope to see yourself and Orla at the next tossers event.
Now, where, when and who is organising the next event.
I didn't know he was dealing bikes.
right first off mide i am sorry if you feel i took advantage of you in any way,beleive me or not i bought that bike for orla and thinking it might suit me till my leg improved (i know kamakazi i am making more excuxes)
i think a part of the problem is as ravenbyrne said i am a car dealer so i thought you asked the price you wanted and would be happy with for your bike,i asked for your best price you did not have to sell be the bike for any less than you wanted for it.you did not have to give me the tank bag and top box bag (thanks for that by the way )
at no stage did i lie,try to deceive or abuse out friendship for a profit and i am sorry if you feel i did,
the bike did not suit orla (she could not lift it off the side stand as i said already but i will bring her licence to the next do and show all the date she got it)and being used to a boxer was not to my likeing enough to keep it,
you may remember i asked you when the bike had been last serviced and as it had been a while ago i had to do some work on it and replace the chain and sprockets (i know this has nothing to do with you as you sold the bike on the way it was)when i go to sell something i always get you are a dealer so whats the garantee etc
my point is i did not realise you were giving me the bike extra cheap because it was for orla i thought the price was the price and then the bike was mine to do with as i please (i wont make that mistake on this site again,
there seems to be an assumption that i make a huge profit on your bike and as kamakaze knows it is hard to sell a sandwich at the moment never mind an item for 3 4 or 5000 euros,the profit if any was not worth the bad feelings
when the bike did not suit i put it up for sale as i already said if it was wrong not to put it back up here for whit i paid for it sorry again
mide if you feel you sold the bike to cheap it is not fair to blacken me sayind i lied,was deceitfull and took advantage of friendship as said many times this was never the case and i am very sorry you feel that way
KAMAKAZI
if you had posted that a member bought a bike off another member cheap is that right or wrong i would have said nothing,if you had said frank1200 bought a bike off a member here cheap and tried to sell it on for a profit would i have said anything no because i except that it does look that way
what made my blood boil was your statement "my objection is HE LIED to use CAMRADERIE (use your own word)to get a dixcount,---- if he had been honest"
I DID NOT LIE I AM NOT DISHONEST and if i had not got said discount would i still have bought the bike you know what i think i would
MIDE
a phone call or a pm text anything would have been nice in private to try and clear things up would have been appricated,if you were so anoyed you should have got kev to ring me,i was meant to stay in your house 2 weeks ago and go to horizons last week,would you have said anything to my face there.
reading kamakazi post it looked to me the discussion in kerry was not was frank right or wrong to buy and sell mide bike but is frank1200 a cnut or not
i had a discussion in the bar in wexford with kev and told him i have bought and sold a few bikes this year,i told him in your kitchen and when loading the bike in your drive that if the bike did not suit i would more that likely sell it on,
jo who i feel sorry for draging into this as out deal was privite and outside the site knew there was a chance i would sell the bike on but she got her price and that was that,ravenbyrne asked me to buy his bike(cheers for the post mate and glad you got it sold)knowing that i have 2 bikes of my own and would most likely try and sell it on but if he got the price he was happy with then best of luck to me afterwards.
will i shake kamakaze hand that depends does he want to shake mine in public,if as he said i am a liar deceitfull and a person who takes advantage of there friends then i could not expect him to.
if he thinks i am a person who bought a bike spent a few pound on it and tried to sell it for a little more than cost them i will galdly shake his hand and might even buy him a pint (but it still was none of your bussiness mate)
bikes cars vans anything up in the money is very hard sold i know because thats what i do everyday,i could have bought a bike anywhere but i bought off my friend,ravenbyrne will tell you how long it took to sell it took to sell his bike and anyone who has tried to sell anything lately will tell you about the amount of time wasters,messers and the like you will meet these days before getting a sale
i hope that makes sence and clears things up but a call or pm would have been a lot simpler and cleaner and if the wording had been different by kami i would not have taken it near as bad
cheers guys
ps thanks to everyone for the support and to those who think i was wrong fair enough at least no one called me a liar anyway
i think a part of the problem is as ravenbyrne said i am a car dealer so i thought you asked the price you wanted and would be happy with for your bike,i asked for your best price you did not have to sell be the bike for any less than you wanted for it.you did not have to give me the tank bag and top box bag (thanks for that by the way )
at no stage did i lie,try to deceive or abuse out friendship for a profit and i am sorry if you feel i did,
the bike did not suit orla (she could not lift it off the side stand as i said already but i will bring her licence to the next do and show all the date she got it)and being used to a boxer was not to my likeing enough to keep it,
you may remember i asked you when the bike had been last serviced and as it had been a while ago i had to do some work on it and replace the chain and sprockets (i know this has nothing to do with you as you sold the bike on the way it was)when i go to sell something i always get you are a dealer so whats the garantee etc
my point is i did not realise you were giving me the bike extra cheap because it was for orla i thought the price was the price and then the bike was mine to do with as i please (i wont make that mistake on this site again,
there seems to be an assumption that i make a huge profit on your bike and as kamakaze knows it is hard to sell a sandwich at the moment never mind an item for 3 4 or 5000 euros,the profit if any was not worth the bad feelings
when the bike did not suit i put it up for sale as i already said if it was wrong not to put it back up here for whit i paid for it sorry again
mide if you feel you sold the bike to cheap it is not fair to blacken me sayind i lied,was deceitfull and took advantage of friendship as said many times this was never the case and i am very sorry you feel that way
KAMAKAZI
if you had posted that a member bought a bike off another member cheap is that right or wrong i would have said nothing,if you had said frank1200 bought a bike off a member here cheap and tried to sell it on for a profit would i have said anything no because i except that it does look that way
what made my blood boil was your statement "my objection is HE LIED to use CAMRADERIE (use your own word)to get a dixcount,---- if he had been honest"
I DID NOT LIE I AM NOT DISHONEST and if i had not got said discount would i still have bought the bike you know what i think i would
MIDE
a phone call or a pm text anything would have been nice in private to try and clear things up would have been appricated,if you were so anoyed you should have got kev to ring me,i was meant to stay in your house 2 weeks ago and go to horizons last week,would you have said anything to my face there.
reading kamakazi post it looked to me the discussion in kerry was not was frank right or wrong to buy and sell mide bike but is frank1200 a cnut or not
i had a discussion in the bar in wexford with kev and told him i have bought and sold a few bikes this year,i told him in your kitchen and when loading the bike in your drive that if the bike did not suit i would more that likely sell it on,
jo who i feel sorry for draging into this as out deal was privite and outside the site knew there was a chance i would sell the bike on but she got her price and that was that,ravenbyrne asked me to buy his bike(cheers for the post mate and glad you got it sold)knowing that i have 2 bikes of my own and would most likely try and sell it on but if he got the price he was happy with then best of luck to me afterwards.
will i shake kamakaze hand that depends does he want to shake mine in public,if as he said i am a liar deceitfull and a person who takes advantage of there friends then i could not expect him to.
if he thinks i am a person who bought a bike spent a few pound on it and tried to sell it for a little more than cost them i will galdly shake his hand and might even buy him a pint (but it still was none of your bussiness mate)
bikes cars vans anything up in the money is very hard sold i know because thats what i do everyday,i could have bought a bike anywhere but i bought off my friend,ravenbyrne will tell you how long it took to sell it took to sell his bike and anyone who has tried to sell anything lately will tell you about the amount of time wasters,messers and the like you will meet these days before getting a sale
i hope that makes sence and clears things up but a call or pm would have been a lot simpler and cleaner and if the wording had been different by kami i would not have taken it near as bad
cheers guys
ps thanks to everyone for the support and to those who think i was wrong fair enough at least no one called me a liar anyway
You were cross with you - fair enough I get cross with me.
You talked through your crossness with a friend - I'm with you there
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The friend posts in a forum (using words like "lied") where we all know each other & then does a Pontius Pilate routine - no part of me is glad this was aired here.
Sorry but lets be "frank" - price agreed - deal done; some sour feelings afterwards; it's called life. Life brings dirty linen - washing it on this forum (directly or via a 3rd party) is not edifying.
The 3rd party may not have anticipated the escalation but really should should have & needs to have a hard look at the words used & their emotive impact.
I'm not being holier than thou & have stirred many pots here but hopefully will keep away from other peoples linen closet.
Should not have happened - learn & move on.
Nothing to see here folks - move along now.
PS Frank - you missed a good weekend in Enniskillin.
Come on!
Oh c'mon is that High Horse that you just rode into town on not getting tired yet!
Oh c'mon is that High Horse that you just rode into town on not getting tired yet!
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