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To get your new GSA in September you will have had to place over £1,000
Put your money where your pastes are and show us the slip
RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !
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To get your new GSA in September you will have had to place over £1,000
Put your money where your pastes are and show us the slip
Cooperman, I think you are banging your head against a brick wall mate. Toddy has shown himself so far to be devoid of having an original idea or opinion of his own, he is a procrastinator and pontificator but definitely not a man of his convictions. In short he is full of wind and piss and the possibility of him placing his own money on a bet for the Yes vote is as real as the Loch Ness monster.
morty
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you've more chance of finding lord lucan or the bigfoot
I'm going to leave him alone chaps....he's going to sing to sink their campaign all on his own!!
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It would appear that William Hill are accepting big yes vote bets.
Bookmakers William Hill has said it has cut their odds on a 'Yes' vote in the referendum on Scottish independence after "a small surge" of bets.
Their odds on a 'Yes' vote have been shortened from 5/1 to 9/2.
They have also shortened their odds for the country to be fully independent by March 24, 2016 from 7/1 to 13/2.
"Since the publication of the detailed plans for independence earlier in the week we have seen a small surge of support for a 'Yes' vote and trimmed our odds accordingly," said Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.
"However, the biggest bet struck so far during the campaign has been £200,000 of a Glasgow client on a No vote, which could return him £236,000; while the largest for 'Yes' - £5000, will return £20,000."
My heart soared when I saw Toddy's post on this subject as it looked like he was finally going to engage with some of his own opinions from the way it was written. Then I saw it was a direct cut and paste from here. http://www.paisleysmsp.org/betting-rigged-for-independence-vote/
What's the difference between Toddy and a supermarket trolley?
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The trolley has a mind of its own!!!!
Bookmakers William Hill has said it has cut their odds on a 'Yes' vote in the referendum on Scottish independence after "a small surge" of bets.
Their odds on a 'Yes' vote have been shortened from 5/1 to 9/2.
They have also shortened their odds for the country to be fully independent by March 24, 2016 from 7/1 to 13/2.
"Since the publication of the detailed plans for independence earlier in the week we have seen a small surge of support for a 'Yes' vote and trimmed our odds accordingly," said Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.
"However, the biggest bet struck so far during the campaign has been £200,000 of a Glasgow client on a No vote, which could return him £236,000; while the largest for 'Yes' - £5000, will return £20,000."
My heart soared when I saw Toddy's post on this subject as it looked like he was finally going to engage with some of his own opinions from the way it was written. Then I saw it was a direct cut and paste from here. http://www.paisleysmsp.org/betting-rigged-for-independence-vote/
What's the difference between Toddy and a supermarket trolley?
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The trolley has a mind of its own!!!!
Toddy
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You couldn't make this up.....
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ts-independence-union-english-better-together
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ts-independence-union-english-better-together
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What I find funny is my family all Scots say no all my friends from south who've gone white settlerish are YES
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P's I still remember Alex's funny face when his surgery was in the Bluetoon he reminded me of the conservatives with what he used to say. Me I'd vote for no one maybe a revolution not his though.
Toddy
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For me this post confirms my concerns.....
The union has been in place for a fecking long time
The union after a yes or no vote will be in place for a fecking long time
But those wanting a yes vote think basing this argument which is about one bloke who will be on this planet for only a short period of time and certainly in his post for a very short period of time in comparison is good reason to vote YES - It's one of the most fecking stupid things Ive heard.
It also assumes the audience is fecking stupid, which they are not, so I expect the vote will go the way of this thread - The YES vote will be ticked by a few who are not representative of the majority if Scots...
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morty
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moderator have a YES vote to close this shit down.
Deleted account Cooperman
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'Not so hot' Toddy is having more pastings than Frank Bruno and Audley Harrison put together
That would be a massive mistake. Discussion and freedom of speech scare today's politicos to death and the internet allows everyone the opportunity to see past their lies, which is all politicos seem to deal in nowadays. Toddy is doing a grand job in that respect.
morty
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how much is toddy paying you???? freedom to cut & paste has nothing to do with freedom of mind & speech.get back in your cage
Toddy
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how much is toddy paying you???? freedom to cut & paste has nothing to do with freedom of mind & speech.get back in your cage
Toddy's posts are a good example of why people should actually stop and think for themselves rather then parrot what they have been told and blindly believe
Toddy is making a point; just not the one he thinks he is
Shinyface
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And that is what is worrying...........and no doubt Labour would be the party in power.
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..........and no doubt Labour would be the party in power.Shinyface
One of the most sensible observations on this thread was made by Wully. To paraphrase because I can't be bothered to look back for his post; "If we were voting for independence Norwegian style I'd vote yes, but we're not...."
I agree, we are voting between being part of the UK or being separate from the UK but a part of the EU, assuming that they let us in. What on earth makes anyone think that being a tiddler in a Federal States of Europe dominated by Germany and France is going to be better for Scotland than being dominated by the larger part of the UK? That seems to be the real choice. It seems to me most likely that entry to the EU would be conditional on us joining the Euro which doesn't fill me with joy either. I doubt that many residents of once great nations such as Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are too happy with the Euro either.
To return to the subject of Norway, yes we are similar in size and population but our per capita GDP is half of theirs. We would have to be pretty quick of the mark to double our performance to come anywhere near equalling the success of our Norse neighbours.
We need some hard facts such as what is the net flow of money between Scotland and the UK government. It has been commonly touted that Scotland is a drain on the rest of the UK. The Yes campaigners are using figures from an ex UK treasury(?) civil servant that suggest the opposite is true and that Scotland has been a net contributor to UK Inc. What is the truth say for the last 30 years? (about the time that I've lived in Scotland but that isn't intended to suggest that I'd make a significant difference )
A number of people raise the issue of energy wealth as a source of revenue for an independent Scotland but then refer to renewables. I believe that the term renewables is largely used to refer to wind power which I see as a liability not an asset. Hydro on the other hand makes sense with our rainfall and it is thought in some circles that we are at the forefront of research into tidal and wave power. Tidal makes sense to me, at least until the moon disappears. We have a lot of coastline that could easily make us energy independent and possibly an energy exporter with the enormous benefit of not needing nuclear.
We need some facts, a decision in September shouldn't be based on wishful thinking, propaganda or in some cases a belief that Braveheart is historically correct.
If the vote is a Yes, however unlikely that currently appears, how do we set about establishing a government that is not a replica of the stupidly expensive, inefficient and incompetent system that is currently in place in the UK and largely replicated throughout Europe including the current Scottish Parliament? How do we end up with a system more akin to that in Hong Kong, (population 7.1 million in 2011) so good that even the Communist Chinese government decided to leave it largely alone when they resumed control. A government that costs far less than 25% of GDP rather than the >50% of the UK system. How do we ensure that we don't have another Socialist disaster along the lines of Wilson/Callaghan and then Blair/Brown? Promising the electorate nirvana whilst bankrupting the country to try and provide it isn't practical in the long term.
I married a Scots woman and we chose to make our life in Scotland, I've never regretted that and don't expect that I ever will but Scotland as a separate state being a part of the EU is a depressing thought. I'd far rather be a part of the UK out of of the EU, free of the obscene cost and frequent stupidity of the EU Commission. As part of the UK Scotland has always had a disproportionally high influence on the UK due to many factors. That includes the intelligence and creativity of some its people and the educational system that promoted their abilities.
Or maybe properly independent...........
I agree, we are voting between being part of the UK or being separate from the UK but a part of the EU, assuming that they let us in. What on earth makes anyone think that being a tiddler in a Federal States of Europe dominated by Germany and France is going to be better for Scotland than being dominated by the larger part of the UK? That seems to be the real choice. It seems to me most likely that entry to the EU would be conditional on us joining the Euro which doesn't fill me with joy either. I doubt that many residents of once great nations such as Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are too happy with the Euro either.
To return to the subject of Norway, yes we are similar in size and population but our per capita GDP is half of theirs. We would have to be pretty quick of the mark to double our performance to come anywhere near equalling the success of our Norse neighbours.
We need some hard facts such as what is the net flow of money between Scotland and the UK government. It has been commonly touted that Scotland is a drain on the rest of the UK. The Yes campaigners are using figures from an ex UK treasury(?) civil servant that suggest the opposite is true and that Scotland has been a net contributor to UK Inc. What is the truth say for the last 30 years? (about the time that I've lived in Scotland but that isn't intended to suggest that I'd make a significant difference
)A number of people raise the issue of energy wealth as a source of revenue for an independent Scotland but then refer to renewables. I believe that the term renewables is largely used to refer to wind power which I see as a liability not an asset. Hydro on the other hand makes sense with our rainfall and it is thought in some circles that we are at the forefront of research into tidal and wave power. Tidal makes sense to me, at least until the moon disappears. We have a lot of coastline that could easily make us energy independent and possibly an energy exporter with the enormous benefit of not needing nuclear.
We need some facts, a decision in September shouldn't be based on wishful thinking, propaganda or in some cases a belief that Braveheart is historically correct.
If the vote is a Yes, however unlikely that currently appears, how do we set about establishing a government that is not a replica of the stupidly expensive, inefficient and incompetent system that is currently in place in the UK and largely replicated throughout Europe including the current Scottish Parliament? How do we end up with a system more akin to that in Hong Kong, (population 7.1 million in 2011) so good that even the Communist Chinese government decided to leave it largely alone when they resumed control. A government that costs far less than 25% of GDP rather than the >50% of the UK system. How do we ensure that we don't have another Socialist disaster along the lines of Wilson/Callaghan and then Blair/Brown? Promising the electorate nirvana whilst bankrupting the country to try and provide it isn't practical in the long term.
I married a Scots woman and we chose to make our life in Scotland, I've never regretted that and don't expect that I ever will but Scotland as a separate state being a part of the EU is a depressing thought. I'd far rather be a part of the UK out of of the EU, free of the obscene cost and frequent stupidity of the EU Commission. As part of the UK Scotland has always had a disproportionally high influence on the UK due to many factors. That includes the intelligence and creativity of some its people and the educational system that promoted their abilities.
Or maybe properly independent...........
Well said Kevan - a post with a bit of thought behind it.
Independence as a concept is fine & worthy, but it comes with a large overhead - Politicians.
It has all the makings of another trough for them to get their snouts into and being small it will become a Political football to be kicked about by the big boys who see another platform for their particular vested interest.
If there is a 'Yes' vote this year, the campaign for the May 2016 Elections will be an eye-opener with funding pouring in from outside.
Apart from the thought that "Westminster is quite close enough, thank you", its the unknown political landscape after 2016 that really bothers me.
The debates ( ) over the next seven months should be interesting - I hope they are or we'll all be sick of the subject before Polling Day.
Bob.
Independence as a concept is fine & worthy, but it comes with a large overhead - Politicians.
It has all the makings of another trough for them to get their snouts into and being small it will become a Political football to be kicked about by the big boys who see another platform for their particular vested interest.
If there is a 'Yes' vote this year, the campaign for the May 2016 Elections will be an eye-opener with funding pouring in from outside.
Apart from the thought that "Westminster is quite close enough, thank you", its the unknown political landscape after 2016 that really bothers me.
The debates (
) over the next seven months should be interesting - I hope they are or we'll all be sick of the subject before Polling Day.Bob.
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