RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !

[~Stef~]

That was a little tongue in cheek, you are very welcome to do whatever you want with your country IMO, the sad fact is that a lot of Scots appear to be saying that the rest of the union will suffer badly after the separation, if that's the case we should all get a vote then, truth is, i suspect, that life will just carry on for the union and for Scotland with or without membership of the UK.

Agreed, I for one don't think the YES vote will go through, to many people scared of change.

 

[~Stef~]

and i for one wouldn't trust any of the arseholes we have in the scottish parliment,honestly listen to any of them in a debate it makes me cringe.

Is there any politician you would trust ? Mr Cameron or Mr Miliband perhaps ?

 

[Toddy]

Trident

Independence is the only chance we have of getting rid of Trident, if I could quote from the White Paper;

"Our defence plans focus on a strong conventional defence footprint in and around Scotland and the removal of nuclear weapons, delivering a £500 million defence and security dividend in 2016/17 ….

"For decades we have been part of a Westminster system that has sought to project global power, giving Britain the capacity to engage in overseas military interventions and to deploy nuclear weapons. …

"Scotland has been home to one of the largest concentrations of nuclear weapons anywhere in the world, despite consistent and clear opposition from across civic Scotland, our churches, trade unions and a clear majority of our elected politicians. Billions of pounds have been wasted to date on weapons that must never be used and, unless we act now, we risk wasting a further £100 billion, over its lifetime, on a new nuclear weapons system. Trident is an affront to basic decency with its indiscriminate and inhumane destructive power.

"Westminster's commitment to nuclear weapons leaves other aspects of our defence weakened. Costs for the successor to Trident are to be met from within the defence budget, taking money from conventional equipment and levels of service personnel. ...
"Negotiations on the maintenance of shared capabilities would not include nuclear weapons. This Scottish Government would make early agreement on the speediest safe removal of nuclear weapons a priority. This would be with a view to the removal of Trident within the first term of the Scottish Parliament following independence.
"The detailed process and timetable for removal would be a priority for negotiation between the Scottish Government and the Westminster Government. However we have noted the work undertaken by the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND), which suggests that Trident could be dismantled within two years. ..
"The Scottish Government is committed to securing the complete withdrawal of Trident from an independent Scotland as quickly as can be both safely and responsibly achieved.
"Constitutional guarantees
"Only independence will enable Scotland to play a full role working within and alongside the international community in creating the conditions for nuclear disarmament. The development of a written constitution for Scotland would also provide the opportunity to include a constitutional ban on nuclear weapons being based in Scotland."

Time for people to wake up to the main issues and get off their knees.

Here's some information on Trident from SCND;

http://www.banthebomb.org/images/stories/pdfs/TridentandIndependence.pdf

Toddy

 

[morty]

well stef at present we're all fecked together & we all know they are knobs but we've got more clout as a nation instead of these shortbread tin no-hopers talking shit.what kind of people release terrorists & having a sly dig at the english whenever they can when they have no track record of achievement or cohesive policies or strategies.i'm sure salmond & sturgeon are the same person. & why would we want to get rid of trident??just because we don't have them doesn't mean other nutters won't,proof in point since the cold war none have ever been used.

 

[flatdog]

agreed plus.....without Trident and Scotland independent, the Yanks would be after your oil reserves.

 

[Wreford Miles]

No ! This is about Scotland deciding its own future.

I can see why the vote should only be for those that would become independent particularly as it's just a referendum to understand what the majority would want - If it is a YES vote then I believe the interests of all the UK need to be understood and factored in to how it could be achieved as the end result would effect all in the UK

 

[Posh Pete]

Thanks for the advice but I think I'll ignore it if you don't mind. As a contributor to the current Union and all that it stands for and has fought for I would like to share my views and hears those of others...

Exactly so. The word I used was "wise". It would be useful if contributors from south of the border showed the same degree of wisdom as Cameron and others. Now "wisdom" is not a word I often use to describe the PM of the UK but he has the sense to realise that the agreement signed between the UK and Scottish governments means that he has no say. Any attempt to intervene by an English Tory would drive Scotland based voters into the YES camp in droves.

Similar lack of wisdom is shown by those who describe Scots as "sweats"' "jocks", "haggis bashers" etc. On one level, it's simply good humoured banter but it IS based on a presumption of English superiority and that rankles with Scots.

While I'm on my soapbox, the sheer ignorance of Scottish culture and history really pisses off a lot of Scots. Scotland is NOT a northern suburb of Newcastle. It is a nation with a national identity. It's a muddled identity and it's different depending on where you live in Scotland but it is Scottish as opposed to North British.

Finally, contributors could show a bit of wisdom by realising that a vote for independence is not (or should not be) about rejecting England. True, there are lots of things I find unpleasant about the views of some of my southern neighbours but I could say the same about many Scots residents also. If I vote "Yes" next year, it will be because I want Scotland to have the opportunity to develop its own society and to take responsibility for that without always looking over our shoulder or blaming others when things go wrong.

 

[boatman]

Very good post ,There seems, in some parts to be an erroneous assumption that ,because some of us wish to resume nationhood that we same people are anti English , For my part some of the very best people I know and am proud to call friends are from south of the border

 

[Shep]

Similar lack of wisdom is shown by those who describe Scots as "sweats"' "jocks", "haggis bashers" etc. On one level, it's simply good humoured banter but it IS based on a presumption of English superiority and that rankles with Scots.

Personally i've not found the Scots to be shy of ripping into the English at every opportunity?

 

[boatman]

Personally i've not found the Scots to be shy of ripping into the English at every opportunity?

You are right there Shep and it,s fine when it,s all in good humor ,but quite repulsive when it,s for real

 

[morty]

i don't give a shit what country your from, its open season for taking the piss.period! if your english is shite or have any ailments or impediments your fair game as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Wreford Miles]

Exactly so. The word I used was "wise". It would be useful if contributors from south of the border showed the same degree of wisdom as Cameron and others. Now "wisdom" is not a word I often use to describe the PM of the UK but he has the sense to realise that the agreement signed between the UK and Scottish governments means that he has no say. Any attempt to intervene by an English Tory would drive Scotland based voters into the YES camp in droves.

Similar lack of wisdom is shown by those who describe Scots as "sweats"' "jocks", "haggis bashers" etc. On one level, it's simply good humoured banter but it IS based on a presumption of English superiority and that rankles with Scots.

While I'm on my soapbox, the sheer ignorance of Scottish culture and history really pisses off a lot of Scots. Scotland is NOT a northern suburb of Newcastle. It is a nation with a national identity. It's a muddled identity and it's different depending on where you live in Scotland but it is Scottish as opposed to North British.

Finally, contributors could show a bit of wisdom by realising that a vote for independence is not (or should not be) about rejecting England. True, there are lots of things I find unpleasant about the views of some of my southern neighbours but I could say the same about many Scots residents also. If I vote "Yes" next year, it will be because I want Scotland to have the opportunity to develop its own society and to take responsibility for that without always looking over our shoulder or blaming others when things go wrong.

Why did you chose to quote me at the start of this post?

 

[Ronno]

i don't give a shit what country your from, its open season for taking the piss.period! if your english is shite or have any ailments or impediments your fair game as far as i'm concerned.

Haha quality post

 

[Blackal]

That was a little tongue in cheek, you are very welcome to do whatever you want with your country IMO, the sad fact is that a lot of Scots appear to be saying that the rest of the union will suffer badly after the separation, if that's the case we should all get a vote then, truth is, i suspect, that life will just carry on for the union and for Scotland with or without membership of the UK.

I think that the remaining countries ( should Scotland leave) will be immediately worse off, but hey - what do I know, in the face of all the politicians at westminster, armed forces chiefs and the likes - who are telling you that Scotland has the most to lose, and that the other countries have been supporting Scotland for generations...........

A lot of English really resent any Scots wanting out - and that seems to breed all the usual insults........

Al

 

[Shep]

A lot of English really resent any Scots wanting out - and that seems to breed all the usual insults........
Al

Not in my experience, of the english and welsh people i speak to, most seem to either support the split or couldn't give a stuff, most resentment displayed appears to me to come from north of the border, from the very people who appear to want independence for Scotland.

 

[wully]

what country your from, ! if your english is shite :

Well,far be it for me to correct someones english....

 

[morty]

i think you will find it is grammar,i hope your not a teacher? let alone which dialect of english to which there are many.oh & bite me!!!!!!

 

[~Stef~]

Personally i've not found the Scots to be shy of ripping into the English at every opportunity?

As Boatman said it's fine if done in Humour. My best mate is English, but lives I Wales but really wants to live in Scotland, and I have many other English friends, even tho it's really hard to understand what they are saying with their silly accents

 

[Posh Pete]

Why did you chose to quote me at the start of this post?

Your previous post asserted your right to take part in the debate. My point is that only voters resident in Scotland have a right to take part in the decision next September.

 

[Toddy]

Have any of these countries ever asked to give up their Independence ?

List of countries that have gained independence from the United Kingdom
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a list of countries and territories formerly ruled or administered by the United Kingdom or part of the British Empire, with their independence days:
Country Date Year of Independence Notes
Afghanistan 19 August 1919
Antigua and Barbuda 1 November 1981
Australia 01 January 1901
Bahamas 10 July 1973
Bahrain 16 December 1971 15 August 1971
Barbados 30 November 1966 Barbados Independence Act 1966
Belize 21 September 1981 September Celebrations of Belize
Botswana 30 September 1966
Brunei 1 January 1984
Canada 1 July 1867 Constitution Act, 1867
Canada Day
Cyprus 1 October 1960 16 August 1960, but Cyprus Independence Day is commonly celebrated on 1 October.[1]
Dominica 3 November 1978
Egypt 13 June 1956
Fiji 10 October 1970
The Gambia 18 February 1965
Ghana 6 March 1957
Grenada 7 February 1974
Guyana 26 May 1966
India 15 August 1947
Israel 14 May 1948
Iraq 3 October 1932

Ireland (26 counties) 24 April (Easter Monday) 1922 Proclamation of the Irish Republic commencing the Easter Rising on 24 April 1916
Jamaica 6 August 1962
Jordan 25 May 1946
Kenya 12 December 1963
Kiribati 12 July 1979
Kuwait 25 February 1961
Lesotho 4 October 1966
Malawi 6 July 1964
Malaysia 31 August 1957 Hari Merdeka
Maldives 26 July 1965
Malta 21 September 1964
Mauritius 12 March 1968
Myanmar 4 January 1948
Nauru 31 January 1968 Independence from the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand on 31 January 1968.
New Zealand 6 February 1840 Celebrated as Waitangi Day. Also see Independence of New Zealand
Template:Country data Western Nigeria 1 October 1960
Pakistan 14 August 1947 Yaum e Azadi. Independence from the United Kingdom on 27 Ramadan ul Mubarik, 14 August 1947
Qatar 3 September 1971
Saint Lucia 22 February 1979
Saint Kitts and Nevis 19 September 1983
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 27 October 1979
Seychelles 29 June 1976
Sierra Leone 27 April 1961
Solomon Islands 7 July 1978
South Africa 11 December 1931 1931. Not a public holiday. Union of South Africa formed on 31 May 1910 and Republic of South Africa declared on 31 May 1961
Sri Lanka 4 February 1948 4 February 1948, Sri Lanka had their independence. Nearly 150 years of UK ruling the countries they finally had independence. At the time the country's name was British Ceylon.
Sudan 1 January 1956
Swaziland 6 September 1968
Tanzania 9 December 1961
Trinidad and Tobago 31 August 1962
Tuvalu 1 October 1978
Uganda 9 October 1962
United Arab Emirates 2 December 1971 National Day (United Arab Emirates)
United States 4 July 1776 Fourth of July. Declaration of Independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain in 1776
Vanuatu 30 July 1980 Independence from United Kingdom and France in 1980
Yemen 30 November 1967 South Yemen 1967
Zambia 24 October 1964
Zimbabwe 18 April 1980