Still that's good...public sector employment only(?) accounts for 23% of total employment in Scotland...I'm sure they will be able to get it up much nearer 50%....bargain!!
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Still that's good...public sector employment only(?) accounts for 23% of total employment in Scotland...I'm sure they will be able to get it up much nearer 50%....bargain!!
Pile of poo !! that was just another scare story that was wiped out next day by BAE systems
Do we not pay for all that just now ???? come on Gerry at least what we pay in tax will be spent on projects in this country not funding London
Maritime coastguard agency that is a joke that was our first line in defence in December against Russian warships in the Moray Firth ffs ha ha
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The short answer is no.
The long answer is we pay some. All the costs of these national organisations....and virtually everything from supermarkets to collecting shite off railway embankments, are far higher in Scotland. How much are you paying for diesel in Dunvegan just now? So they are all subsidised in Scotland....we will lose all these hidden subsidies at a stroke.
Do you really imagine that BRITISH Aerospace will be allowed to spend money in a foreign country? This spending goes where the votes are....like Gordons building aircraft carriers in his constituency.
British Aerospace can retain or set up a plant wherever the hell they want. Sure - rUK might not punt any of their defence (should that be called "attack"?) contracts to a Scottish-based entity, but that shouldn't worry us?
What about EUROFIGHTER, AIRBUS ? All built at various plants throughout the EU?
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I'm sure it won't worry any body not currently employed at these facilities.
I don't see your point about EU projects. They are EU projects, and have no relevance. Scotland will not be in the EU for many years, if at all.
So you can guarantee we'll still be in europe with rUK if Cameron and UKIP have there way
As for defence contracts we may build our own defence ships seeing as they are none in Scottish waters at the moment could always apply contracts to North Korea
So you can guarantee we'll still be in europe with rUK if Cameron and UKIP have there way
As for defence contracts we may build our own defence ships seeing as they are none in Scottish waters at the moment could always apply contracts to North Korea
Can't guarantee it at all...in fact, I hope we're not. But that's not the point.
Yes of course we can build our own defence force, after all they cost hardly anything do they? What I'm saying is, we will assuredly lose the jobs and income from UK contracts.
Yes they cost a hell of a lot
latest Ministry of Defence figures said there was £1.57 billion spent on defence in Scotland in 2007/08. However, in that year Scotland paid in £2.84 billion towards UK defence spending. (GERS 2010-11). There is a huge gap in how much Scotland pays for defence and how much is actually spent in Scotland.
I am not trying to convince you of a yes vote I'm just trying to figure out what benefits of being in a union with a government which daily spouts lies about being better together surely telling the truth would be more beneficial ??
The huge gap of which you speak is in fact even bigger than you say...the 2 carriers alone are now at £6.2bn, the 13 Type 26 Frigates to be built in Scotland after independence is rejected, will be £350m EACH. Seems a pretty good deal for Scotland??
I know you and quite a few others are genuinely in favour of independence, just as I ....and quite a few others ...are not. Which is why it's important for voters to know the implications of voting to leave the UK and become a new nation state.....so I keep pointing out the many benefits of staying in the UK. So you think eck doesn't tell lies then? I agree telling the truth is more beneficial....which is why I keep doing it.
gerarddwatts;3708593e 13 Type 26 Frigates to be built in Scotland after independence is rejected said:
I guess all of the wages for the ship builders for a start. Are you saying you wouldn't want the input of a proportion of 13 X £350 million??
As for the rest of it, I don't know..some of it certainly would happen. But I don't think I'd worry too much about something I heard 35 years ago.
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If we had a socialist Scottish government at that time Scottish coal mines, Ravenscraig, Linwood and Bathgate would all have been kept going with public subsidy in exactly the same way as the labour government tried to keep car plants in the midlands going. Taxes and public borrowing would have risen to keep them limping along and oil revenues would have been pumped in until eventually the money ran out because these industries as they were structured at that time could not compete on a global market. Scotland would then be broke and instead of a referendum to leave the rest of the UK we would be going cap in hand to the rest of the UK to take us back as happened after the Darien Scheme.
What you don't seem to get is that the reason I am voting No is nothing to do with fearing an independent Scotland. I fear an Independent socialist Scotland like I fear a socialist UK. The difference is an independent Scotland would be socialist for the rest of my life whereas the UK electorate do wake up and smell the coffee from time to time and boot them out of office. If you could offer me an independent Scotland free from the EU and with a centre right government without the eton posh boys I would be willing to risk some of my pension on it.
Go for it.
The only rule is once yer gone....... Yer gone.
Create the " Bank of Scotand" and your good to go.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
What I am saying at the current time our output exceeds the input and that may be the case in the future if things stay the same.
Will any of these ships defend Scottish waters ?
Currently we have a say on only 7% of our income Independence gives you 100% say
In last 100yrs a Scottish vote has never made a change in any government in that time.
This way you can have a vote and get a government voted for the people in the country.
As for 35yrs ago you are using the same excuse just using different companies blew the dust off the old script.
I want to live in a country that is not a war monger and looks after Bairns not Bombs.
You say defence when all you do is attack. Who is this big bogey man that will attack Scotland when we go independent anyway ?
The man does have a valid point. Successive Socialist governments = national fiscal disaster. Both times it has happened in the UK the result has been the same. Splashing tax money around to buy the votes of those with nothing to loose and who individually contribute the least to the coffers with promises of paradise tomorrow. Massively inflated central and local government with an unwarranted influence of the extreme loony left. Result? The country is left virtually bankrupt.
It's not just in the UK either. Take a look at the current situation in France. I wouldn't dispute that people at the top of industry and commerce are massively over valued and over paid but unfortunately government raising taxation doesn't fix the problem, it just drives the wealthy out of the country along with their outrageous wealth and we won't even get the benefit of recycling the money that they spend. That is the very reason London is currently filling up with wealthy French citizens causing a high end property bubble in the process and paying their 40% or 50% top end income tax to the UK treasury instead of 70% to the French one.
For a long time Scotland was a Liberal stronghold, this turned in favour of the Unionists who in turn later combined with the English Conservatives as they withered under the onslaught of a communist/socialist, union backed, campaign. Political socialism is a reasonably recent trend in Scotland and I honestly believe that so many Scots vote Labour because they believe the theory that Labour and socialism is for the working man. Sadly this hasn't yet been proven to be the truth. Scots have repeatedly proven that they are smart and resourceful, they'll cotton onto the socialist scam eventually, hopefully sooner rather than later. An independent socialist Scotland would be as disastrous as a quasi independent Scotland within the EU. Maintain the status quo until there is a reasonable chance of a commercially aware and morally responsible political elite ready to take the reins of power. Only then will Scotland be ready for success as an independent nation. IMHO of course. Would I be able to or even have to apply for citizenship?
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At least with Tommy what you see is what you get. He does not try to hide his communist ambition and if enough people vote for that form of government I would have to suck it up or relocate. He is open about the future he would like to see for Scotland and hopefully enough people would have the sense to see the flaws in his logic and the fact that his way has been tried and failed on much bigger economies that Scotland. It is the under cover commies I don't trust like slippery Eck and his Jimmy Krankie look alike side kick.
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