RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !

The tail don't wag the dog

rUK stop Scotland playing with their ball and the SNP run off crying to Mum 'I'm being bullied' :tears

The counter threat is issued of not accepting debt liabilities. Have a look at Argentina and Iceland who are struggling having gone down the same route.

But rUK will change it's stance after the divorce. Really? Having been rejected do you think rUK will be bending over to assist. How many amicable divorces are there? Yes there are downsides for rUK, but no where near as significant as those for Scotland.

So - the gloves come off and the SNP currency proposals melt.

What's next?
 
What next.?................well Toddy will be off to find something to cut and paste about schoolboy bullying no doubt, followed by a purchase of some Euro before the rates go down as we deal with our own countries debt.

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So - the gloves come off and the SNP currency proposals melt. And Alex will again be blaming someone else.......
 
Well it just goes to show that my feelings about eckie when I lived with bro in Peterhead where right. He'll just make a tags up of the whole scenario. Why doesn't he go to Gruinard island for his republic and leave my Scotland to normal sane FAMILY loving people. Hey I'm British it's no big deal we are all family I don't want to be separate. My great great grandfather came to Caithness from Norway but I dont feel I'm Norwegian.
 
.....My great great grandfather came to Caithness from Norway but I dont feel I'm Norwegian.

I'd think again about that Fishy if I were you. With the second biggest sovereign wealth fund in the world Norwegians can look forward to good, secure pensions in perpetuity. I'd be looking to see if I could qualify :) :toungincheek
 
Hi Packer
Maybe too hasty, I could try and get in touch but I doubt it. But there again maybe the Norskies might be ok for that. But they might want the Shetlands back!!! eckie wouldn't like that though. The trouble Packer with being retired you cannot take everything seriously. ( Which when listening to the world of politics) you certainly cannot. Anyway my friend the roads are drying here rain stopped so will have a run up over the border to wind up my bro. Hope it stops for those poor families in the flood plain.
 
Wings over Scotland - Poker

Posted on February 13, 2014 by Rev. Stuart Campbell
The most significant message of George Osborne’s much-trailed speech in Edinburgh today wasn’t actually in the speech at all. The text itself was drivel, founded largely on arguments discredited literally years ago – chiefly that an independent Scotland would have to bear all the costs were one of its banks to go bust again.

(Yes, the same banks we’re told would in fact have relocated to England. Sigh.)

When he finally got down to the brass tacks, even his actual threat – that he would be “unable to recommend” a currency union in the event of Scottish independence, and that therefore “it is not going to happen” – was essentially completely meaningless. It was nothing more than politicking, a threat which could and would be easily reversed in the event of an actual Yes vote.

The real menace behind the speech lay elsewhere.


Osborne took what he called the “exceptional step of publishing the internal advice I have received from the Permanent Secretary to the Treasury” alongside his speech, and in doing so revealed the actual threat he was making – one which has nothing to do with a currency union, and would have caused uproar had he made it the focus.



Because currency union, in truth, isn’t a big deal. As has been extensively discussed in the last 24 hours, Scotland has many perfectly workable alternatives available to it. The Adam Smith Institute, for example – no frothing cybernats they – suggested that Scotland using Sterling “unofficially” would actually be a better option.

A Scottish pound pegged to Sterling is also a perfectly workable plan, and has been suggested as the best choice for Scotland by Deutsche Bank, who as far as we know are also not puppets of Alex Salmond. All the possibilities, including a currency union, have their advantages and drawbacks.

The UK government knows this, and also knows the disaster that refusing a currency union would be for the UK – it was notable that Osborne, when directly asked at the press conference, refused to put a price on it. In essence, refusing a currency union is no threat at all, particularly when compared to the economic consequences for the UK of Scotland declining to take on a share of UK debt.

The HM Treasury advice was that the Scottish Government was bluffing on that point. Osborne’s speech has been compared to that of a poker player, but he wasn’t making a bluff, he was calling one. And the Treasury, in the last sentence in the image above, gave him a half-decent card to back up his call with: if the Scots leave us with the debt, we won’t co-operate with the independence process.

It doesn’t take a genius to interpret the meaning. Osborne’s speech was certainly a threat, but not about a currency union. By releasing the advice, he made as clear as possible that if Scotland votes Yes, the rUK will obstruct its membership of the European Union and other international bodies.

(In blatant contravention of the terms of the Edinburgh Agreement, s.30 p.8.)

As unanimous approval is required to admit new EU members, that would be a very serious matter indeed. But to openly say so in those terms would be a blackmail too crude even for the Unionist media to ignore or endorse. So instead Osborne concealed it, in the best possible place to hide something – plain sight.

You’ll read thousands and thousands of words today about the speech, and we’ll wager that few or none of them will address its true meaning. The UK wants Scots to vote with a gun to their heads – the threat of expulsion from the EU, no matter how much the rest of the EU wants to admit Scotland, via a UK veto.

(Of course, a No vote might well lead to the same outcome anyway in 2017.)

As it happens, we were out at a local poker game ourselves last night. (Quadrupled our money, thanks for asking.) There’s a name in poker for what Osborne’s speech did: representing. It’s not strictly a bluff – he has a hand with some “showdown value”, but he doesn’t want to show it, because it’s not what he wants us to think it is. He wants us to fold our strong hand in fear, rather than take it all the way.

Because while certainly theoretically possible, it’s debateable whether the rUK could in practice make good on its threats. Putting up trade barriers and borders would, as we’ve previously examined in some detail, be economic insanity for the rUK – more so than even the worst possible outcome of a currency union – making it politically hard to defend, and it would also bring the rUK under huge pressure from the rest of Europe, which wants Scotland in. Blocking membership of NATO, meanwhile, would meet with the strongest possible opposition from the USA.

Osborne knows that a faithful media will collude in disguising his play for him. He also knows that the Scottish Government will understand it perfectly. In those terms it’s not a bad move, and certainly a more cunning one than some would credit him with.

But what was actually revealed by the speech is that the UK government is absolutely terrified of Scotland refusing a share of debt. And as such, the truth is that Scotland holds the strongest hand at the table. So long as it plays it properly, let there be no doubt about it: Osborne will fold first.
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What actually are the real benefits of Scotland, or Wales or even East Anglia becoming separate from the UK? I don't think there are any, it's just politicians who because of their own weird psychological disorders feel the need to be noticed at the expense of everyone else.
 
So, it's no longer the Tories as the enemies, it's rUK represented by the Westminster Brigade with the media in their pockets.

i was going to say you can't make thus up, but it doesn't stop some.
 
Toddy

Have we seen your betting slip yet?

Or your order form for the GSA? What colour did you go for?

if you are financing the gap from the betting payout, is the plan to ride off a leave the debt behind?
 
Is that the same Henry McLeish that forgot to declare income from office premises while an MP saying it was "a muddle, not a fiddle"? I am not sure I want to take advice from someone that gets so easily muddled.
 
So...

Following reports of the Scottish part of the UK being subject to the rantings of a Jabba-monster, the Union despatch Van Helsing-Osborne armed with a lethal alloy silver/£ coin bullet.

A Wee're Eck Wolf is slain and a nations is saved.
 
Sterling Zone

Shown in red are Countries previously allowed to be in a Sterling Zone.
Don't tell us Osbourne is not running scared and resorting to bullying.
 

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Sudan,
Australia,
The Bahamas,
Bahrain,
Bangladesh,
Barbados,
Lesotho Basutoland,
Bermuda,
Botswana,
British Antarctic Territory,
Guyana,
British Guiana
Belize British Honduras,
British Indian Ocean Territory,
Solomon Islands,
British Somaliland Protectorate (left in 1964),
British Virgin Islands, Brunei,
Burma (left in 1966),
Cayman Islands,Dominion of Ceylon Ceylon (Sri Lanka),
Cyprus,
Egypt (left in 1947),
Falkland Islands,
Fiji,
The Gambia,
Ghana,
Gibraltar,
Tuvalu Gilbert and Ellice Islands (Kiribati and Tuvalu),
Hong Kong,
Iceland,
Republic of Ireland (until 1971),
India (including Sikkim),
Iraq (left in 1959)
Jamaica,
Jordan,
Kenya,
Kuwait
AnguillaAntigua and Barbuda,Montserrat,Saint Kitts and Nevis Leeward Islands (comprising Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Montserrat, and Saint Kitts (Saint Christopher and Nevis))
Libya (expelled in 1971)
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives Maldive Islands
Malta
Mauritius
Oman Muscat and Oman (Sultanate of Oman)
Nauru
New Zealand (including, Cook Islands, Niue, and Tokelau Islands)
Nigeria
Israel British Mandate for Palestine (required to withdraw in 1948 following the creation of the state of Israel & New Breed
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Pitcairn Islands
Qatar
Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) (expelled in 1965)
Saint HelenaUnited KingdomTristan da Cunha Saint Helena (including Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha)
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
South Africa
Namibia South West Africa (Namibia)
Swaziland
Tanganyika
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Oman Trucial Oman (United Arab Emirates)
United Kingdom Turks and Caicos Islands
Uganda
the Channel Islands, and the Isle of Man
Samoa
Dominica,Grenada,Saint Lucia,Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Windward Islands (comprising Dominica, Grenada, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines)
Zambia
Zanzibar
 
Two completely pointless and worthless posts.

After 1972 the sterling area was no longer what it used to be, but the UK still recognised the existence of the 'overseas sterling area' as a distinct group of countries for the purposes of exchange control policy. In 1979, due to an improving economic situation and changed patterns of trade between the UK and Commonwealth, Britain removed all its exchange controls: the sterling area had ceased to exist.

Just more Salmond straws to clutch at, thinking we....well apart from Toddy, are as stupid as he is.
 
The baw's on the slates with this one. Despite what the pro independence folk tell each other and their work mates about not caring whether or not independence costs individuals more money than staying in the union when they get into the polling station and nobody can see if they are putting their cross in the "patriotic" box they will vote for whatever is going to make them more financially secure. "I don't care what it costs I will vote for FREEDOM" That is the biggest bluff and bluster of the lot. Without the pound and our banks backed by the bank of England canny Scots will be voting NO then telling their pals they voted Yes and it was other traitors that let the country down.

Of course if Toddy believes otherwise there is still time to post a copy of his betting slip on here.
 
"Listen up Jocks"

By Campbell Martin

The arrogance and ignorance of British Unionist politicians was there for all to see last Thursday (February 13).

Gideon (call me George, it makes me sound tough) Osborne dropped into Chilly-Jocko-land to tell the oiks that he wasn’t for letting us use our own currency if, as looks increasingly likely, we vote to re-establish Scotland as a normal independent nation.

The position adopted by the Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer was fully supported by his opposite numbers in the British Unionist coalition - Ed Balls for Labour and ‘Tame Jock’ Danny Alexander for the Liberal Democrats. On the British state broadcaster, the BBC, one Labour MP on the panel of Question Time went as far as blasting the Scots for “wanting their independence, but they want us to allow them to continue using the English pound”.

Throughout the day last Thursday, television news programmes did their very best to portray the British Unionist’s latest version of an old scare-story as a devastating blow to “Alex Salmond’s strategy for a currency union” after Scotland retakes its independence. In reality, it was nothing of the kind.

Contrary to the British Unionist position - and the slavishly-loyal British media - there is absolutely nothing to stop an independent Scotland using the pound as its currency. It is also in the interests of the (rest of the) United Kingdom to enter into a currency union with an independent Scotland, principally in terms of balance of payments figures and cross-border trading costs.

The pound (sterling) is an asset of the United Kingdom, as is the Bank of England. These assets are owned and used by the four current component parts of the United Kingdom – Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. If one component part leaves the British Union, then it must either be compensated for the loss of assets it helped fund while a member or another arrangement could be made, such as continuing to share the asset. The SNP position is that, after independence, it would be in everyone’s interest to continue sharing the Bank of England and the pound.

The other side of the ‘deal’ regarding agreement on assets is, of course, liabilities – the debts run-up by the United Kingdom. The SNP has stated it is willing to accept a proportional share of debts accrued while Scotland was a member of the British Union.

However, what the British Unionist triumvirate of Osborne, Balls and Alexander said last week is that an independent Scotland must take its share of the UK’s debts but would not be allowed continued use of shared assets. If that was to happen, then the (rest of the) United Kingdom would have to stump-up massive compensation to Scotland to offset the fact they were retaining an asset Scotland had helped fund while it was a member of the UK.

In fact, if the (rest of the UK) decided to play hardball in such a way as described by Osborne, Balls and Alexander, then an independent Scotland would be well within its rights to point out that UK debt is the responsibility of the UK – a position already accepted by the UK Treasury – which means a newly independent country, like Scotland, need not accept liability.

In reality, the British Unionists are simply getting desperate as polls show the direction of travel in the independence referendum is from ‘No’ to ‘YES’. The Unionists are losing the argument, so they have decided to ramp-up the scare-stories. There is no positive case for Scotland remaining a part of the British Union, so the Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are reduced to describing Scottish independence as an apocalyptic land where absolutely everything goes wrong.

We are back to being told that alone amongst all the peoples on Earth, only the Scots are incapable of successfully running their own country. Independence is the normal status of virtually every nation in the world, but if the Scots achieved that status we are so stupid and so incompetent we would turn it into a disaster. The British Unionist message is: ‘Listen up, Jocks – you are too wee, too poor and too stupid to govern your own country’.

David Cameron’s ‘love-in’ with the Scots (albeit in a speech delivered in London to English journalists and English Tory activists) lasted barely a week before the British Unionists reverted to type and re-engaged in attacks on the intelligence, abilities and skills of people living in Scotland. As polls continue to show the ‘YES’ vote rising and the ‘No’ vote falling, expect those attacks to get stronger and more vicious – and expect every distortion and lie to be reported as fact by the loyal British media.

Meanwhile, the so-called ‘Scottish’ Labour Party continues to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the toxic Tories and their Lib Dem lapdogs as they hammer Scots with the Bedroom Tax and other savage cuts to essential services and benefits. In addition, the so-called ‘Scottish’ Labour Party continues to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the toxic Tories and their Lib Dem lapdogs as they launch attacks against the people of Scotland. In fact, ‘Scottish’ Labour politicians are often amongst the most vitriolic in disparaging the abilities of Scots.

Thankfully, more and more Labour members in Scotland are distancing themselves from the party’s British Unionist coalition with the Tories and Lib Dems. Ordinary Labour members can’t stomach the Tories and their policies any more than the rest of us, which is why the campaign group ‘Labour for Independence’ continues to grow, and why many traditional Labour supporters will be voting for independence in the referendum on September 18th.

Independence is simply being a normal country, where those of us living in Scotland elect a government to represent our interests and deliver policies to meet our needs. In an independent Scotland we will always get the government for which we vote, and it won’t be Tory. Never again will we have Tory governments or policies imposed on us, and never again will posh-boy millionaire Tory MPs swan into Scotland for the day to tell us we are too wee, too poor and too stupid to govern our own country.
 


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