RISE NOW AND BE A NATION AGAIN !

'fighting to retain much needed benefits and an openness to egalitarian ideas'

says it all really.....


'For too many thousands of our fellow Scots their daily life is a war....'

what complete utter drivel.

And you think thats GOOD????

If the yes campaign is headed by nutters like this, we can all relax. We won't though!
 
this is like the twilight zone.how can people be so blinkered that they actually believe such shite & in all honesty not think for themselves.I would expect people to share some views but not to the point that every bit of nonsense spouted by the snp is 100% factual & a possible reality come on wake the fuck up.hey i’m not saying that labour or tory aren’t dicks aswell but think for yourselves & read,if you can’t get someone to do it for you.wee eck feels he can lead the working classes down the garden path as he thinks the large majority are not that well educated & won’t know any better,all they can see is someone england bashing and waving saltires.oh the auld enemy we’ll get back at them now.mmm the only way to get shite to rise to the surface is to give a good stirring,sound familiar????
 
I wasn't aware thet the rest of the UK had that "right"?

Is it actually a "right" or is it something that you think should be your "right"?

I guess it seems unfair to you , that a country might have the right to leave, while the remainder don't have a right to expel.............

Al

As things stand we don't have a right to vote because we've not been given the opportunity. However.... If the yes and no vote is more or less split down the middle but slightly in favour of remaining in the union don't you think we should be given that chance to have a say given that a large number of Scots want nothing to do with us/ the union ?
I mean its a bit like filling for divorce and the second party has no say in anything. It does after all effect more than just Scotland.
I suppose the only say we'd have is if Scotland goes and then wants to come back.
There's no problem from me about the right to have your choice to be independent, none at all. But it may become appropriate for others in the UK to have their say in a ballot. Quite at what point I'm not sure.
I've just got a sneaking feeling that the damage and fall out will be very damaging to Scotland, and lesser so the rest of us.
 
I don't think this vote has anything to do with the wider UK. Scotland can leave the UK if it wants.

However, if the vote were whether or not the UK should be dissolved completely, then we should all, of course, vote. The dissolution of the UK would be the best way for Scotland to gain independence as the assets, institutions and world status (e.g. EU membership) of the UK would have to be shared amongst the individual UK countries as there would be no enduring legal entity (rUK) to lay claim to them. As the vote isn't about UK dissolution, it seems to me to be madness for Scotland to walk away from everything which it has built up over centuries (a stable currency, institutions such as the MI5, MI6, wider defence interests even shit like the DVLA) except (of course) those parts which are currently geograpically rooted within Scotland. The continuing legal entity (rUK) should rightly hang on to everything which Soctland opts to walk away from.

If Salmond was really serious about independence, he would have worked towards UK dissolution i.e. removing a layer of goverment between Brussels and English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish parliaments. I think that would have been much more interesting than Scotland simply leaving the UK and then moaning that it can't hang on to UK assets/institution. I'm getting the sense recently that Salmond doesn't actually believe he'll deliver Scottish Independence but he'll seek to make political capital out of a "No" result by positioning an idealistic and progressive Scotland as the victim of bullying and conspiracy. Shades of Derek Hatton as has already been pointed out here.

As things stand we don't have a right to vote because we've not been given the opportunity. However.... If the yes and no vote is more or less split down the middle but slightly in favour of remaining in the union don't you think we should be given that chance to have a say given that a large number of Scots want nothing to do with us/ the union ?
I mean its a bit like filling for divorce and the second party has no say in anything. It does after all effect more than just Scotland.
I suppose the only say we'd have is if Scotland goes and then wants to come back.
There's no problem from me about the right to have your choice to be independent, none at all. But it may become appropriate for others in the UK to have their say in a ballot. Quite at what point I'm not sure.
I've just got a sneaking feeling that the damage and fall out will be very damaging to Scotland, and lesser so the rest of us.
 
As things stand we don't have a right to vote because we've not been given the opportunity. However.... If the yes and no vote is more or less split down the middle but slightly in favour of remaining in the union don't you think we should be given that chance to have a say given that a large number of Scots want nothing to do with us/ the union ?
I mean its a bit like filling for divorce and the second party has no say in anything. It does after all effect more than just Scotland.
I suppose the only say we'd have is if Scotland goes and then wants to come back.
There's no problem from me about the right to have your choice to be independent, none at all. But it may become appropriate for others in the UK to have their say in a ballot. Quite at what point I'm not sure.
I've just got a sneaking feeling that the damage and fall out will be very damaging to Scotland, and lesser so the rest of us.

"Want nothing to do with us" ?

I guess it doesn't suit your outlook to venture the thought that they:

"Would prefer to be independant and exercised their democratic right to vote for that preference"

Al
 
Here we go again like the Scots hate the English and that's why we want independence! All the yes campaign really WANTS is to get away from Westminster. Scotland can't influence who is in the UK government under the current voting regulations. If the South East want something then that is what the rest of the UK gets like it or not. It isn't anti English or anti any of the other member countries. The only anti nation I am hearing is anti Scots because we have the cheek to want something better and might just have the power to do.
 
Serious question..

Would you accept the right of the rest of the U.K. (Regardless of your referendum result in September) to have a vote to decide
If we want to see Scotland removed from the union ?

No reason why England couldn't have a vote on leaving the UK I suppose. Then you could get rid of us.
I honestly don't know if it would be legally possible for the rest of the UK to have a vote on getting rid of Scotland but by the looks of things round here if you did you would carry the yes vote for us.
 
"Want nothing to do with us" ?

I guess it doesn't suit your outlook to venture the thought that they:

"Would prefer to be independant and exercised their democratic right to vote for that preference"

Al

I'm agreeing with you! You do have the right to be independent from England and the rest of the UK.
So shouldn't we have the same right to be independent from Scotland ?
This isn't. about England V Scotland its about ending a union of nations.
 
February 28, 2014
Chocs Away…!
The attack begins…

Wing Commander Guy Gibson, V.C., D.S.O., D.F.C: Hello, “M Mother” are you there?

Flight Lt. J.V. Hopgood, DFC: I’m here, Leader

Squadron Leader H.M. Young, DFC: Here, Leader.

Flight Lt. D.J.H. Maltby, DSO, DFC: Here, Leader.

Flight Lt. D.J. Shannon, DSO, DFC: Here, Leader

Squadron Leader H.E. Maudslay, DFC: Here, Leader.

Flying Officer L.G. Knight, DSO: Here, Leader.

Gibson: Hello, all Cooler aircraft. I’m going in to attack. Stand by to come in in your order when I tell you….

He points the nose down towards the dam wall. Cue music…



Isn’t it telling that the Coalition is calling the latest stage of its terror campaign The Dambusters after a Second World War murderous attack that flooded the Ruhr and killed over a thousand? Identifying a political campaign with the British war effort is one of those unthinking moments that provides an insight into how the British machine still regards itself. And, in passing, it confirms what people like me have been saying – that this is a political campaign in which the finance sector is participating, whatever Standard Life’s allegedly neutral words indicate.

After the Currency Denial comes the bouncing bombs of the financiers and bankers crashing into the credibility of the plan to free Scots from the control of the profiteering classes and create a more equal Scotland. Boom! Goes your currency…Crash! Goes your financial centre…Take that you blighters!

We call it the Dambusters after the movie but the operation was, even more appropriately, called Operation Chastise. Oh yes, that’s the Union game right there…teach them a lesson they won’t forget.

The history is also a metaphor because there were two unforeseen side effects. First, the largest group killed as the Mohne and the Eder poured millions of tons of water into the Ruhr Valley were on our side. They were nearly 800 Ukranian prisoners of war held in a camp just below the Eder Dam. They were collateral damage, just as those Scots will be after a No vote who are again left at the mercy of the Tory government, unprotected by their allies the Labour Party. Others to suffer will be Scots embittered at the closing of the ranks among the Unionist elite who finally realise that the partnership of the Union was a myth.

Secondly, the raid failed. It was initially seen as a success in that it hit key dams and released torrents of water and disrupted German engineering. The crews – those that made it, 50-odd men didn’t – came home, rightly, to heroes’ welcomes and, for Guy Gibson a Victoria Cross. But they failed to hit the third Sorpe dam which would have been devastating. Instead the water levels were back to normal in six weeks and war production resumed. So sometimes, what appears to be a success at first, turns out in time to be anything but.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Unionists are having a morale boost and on the BBC it is now a sly joke among presenters to drop in a final question to…well anybody, really. ‘What’s your take on independence?’ It is as if it is now safe to ask since the great cloud has been lifted and the powers to which the Unionists defer, the City, the Treasury and, bizarrely, Barroso, have hit back and stopped the movement in its tracks. (I liked the airline boss’s reply which didn’t follow the script by telling them passenger duty and landing fees would probably reduce so it would be good for business). That answer inadvertantly gave one small perspective on the wider question which hasn’t occurred to any BBC commentator I’ve seen or heard. They have no idea and no interest in SNP or the wider Yes policies and have minds closed to anything other than the conventional, deferential rote of honouring establishment power. If you have a title, you get automatic respect from the national broadcaster, no matter what you actually say. I think only Scot Angus Roxburgh in the London media (Guardian) and hardly anyone in Scotland actually tackled the content and implication of what Barroso said and challenged his role in saying it, not even the accoladed Andy Marr. Instead of fawning, it is their duty to us, the licence-fee payers, to challenge and scrutinise and it is proving beyond them.

There is too the long-term close association between Scottish media and the financial sector. When I was in newspapers we went to virtually every company announcement by banks and insurers, were treated royally and in return their pronouncements were given prominence. At that time there was some justification as some of these outfits were historically successful and, while boring, a source of pride. Connections forged then have influenced many of the commentators you read today. Financial institutions could afford lavish largesse in the form of lunches in the boardroom, golf outings, sponsorship and match tickets, some of which still goes on today…buying loyalty or at the very least making it that little bit harder to write a strongly critical piece. One well-known Edinburgh-based financial journalist told me how reporters were made aware of a building society – I think it was Abbey National, now part of Santander – who quietly offered them low interest mortgages. In return, he said, nobody ever wrote a bad word about them.



Longer term, on the ground, does a millionaire financier warning of leaving really scare the mass of Scots? Will banks who ruined people’s lives and still receive life-changing sums every year provide the leadership for people stuck on poverty wages, eking out a living on two jobs, surviving in stressed-out families? Will these people look to the Labour party leaping with joy at such threats along with the City and the Tories and imagine they remain on their side?

It wasn’t the feeling at the Yes meeting in Gilmerton in Edinburgh that I chaired last night where there was an anger and a resentment at being put in their place, kept down and lectured by politicians who have abandoned what they regard as the core values of their lives. There were stories of friends and family fighting to retain much needed benefits and an openness to egalitarian ideas that, far from being impossible to put in place, simply require the political will to introduce once the power is returned into the hands of the Scots. There was also news which I won’t repeat in detail because it’s likely to feature in the weekend press, about canvassing returns from some our housing estates which suggest a rising tide of support for a transformative Yes. These are Scots untouched by Standard Life pension and insurance policies. Their war generation parents probably expected that when the war was over they would live in peace, the peace they fought for. For too many thousands of our fellow Scots their daily life is a war and in six month’s, for the first time in their lives, they will hold the power in their hands from 7am to 10pm to change that world for ever.
Do you genuinely believe you have the Monopoly on deprivation ,hardship,loss of work,humiliation and hopelessness , because i can assure you,your wrong.Vast swathes of England are the same.In your rush for Quick fix Scotland you will be casting aside folk in the same predicament as yourself,,s.Together as one,in Union we work.Not perfectly i agree, but the input of people such as yourself and your ability to provoke open discussion,preferably without the bile and rhetoric could be to everyone's benefit. I cannot for the life of me see how making two weaker nations out of one strong one can be in anyone's favour .When all said and done we need to stand side to side ,shoulder to shoulder and try to make a better place for all who feel downtrodden and exploited both sides of the border. Yours your friend and neighbours. ,
 
I must have missed the bit where we were called arseholes????

Oh sorry, more made up 'downtrodden masses' crap....

Mustn't let soundbites stand in the way of reality.
 
Companies have so far mainly taken a neutral stance of on the vote.

Has Osbourne's speech forced them out into the open :nenau

rUK have a clear position on the £. Yes have no plan.

As Companies likely to be affected by a separate Scotland give their interim reports to financial markets they are now forced to declare their hand.

Short term loss in the polls v long term gain from business coming clean :confused:

Good strategy ;)
 
We have been called many things by the so called better together campaign including stupid and the lowest IQ nation in the UK. It was all used in the context of we can't possibly manage our own affairs because...........
 
So Toddy you choose to quote that expert on the Dams Raid, Derek Bateman in support of your cause. That just about sums up your whole approach to this question. Superficial, unthinking and wrong. Bateman's superficial assessment of the raid as a failure is based on the fact that the damage was quickly repaired. It takes no account of the fact that the quick repair took 50,000 Organisation Todt workers (a civil and military engineering group) and 20,000 armament workers to the area. More than 7,000 were withdrawn from their duties building the Atlantic Wall and that number would rise to about 20,000 before the dams were completed. If as much energy had been put into building the Atlantic Wall as has been dedicated to reconstruction work on the dams and in the Ruhr, the Allied invasion of June the following year might have been repulsed. It also cost the German economy 756 million Reichsmarks, £5.6billion in today’s money to reinstate what had been damaged.

The refusal to enter into a currency union and the worries being expressed by major employers about the independence vote has blown as big a hole in the SNP plans as 617 squadron blew in the Möhne and Eders dams. No doubt slippery Eck would tell us this was not a hole in the dam just a bit of pointing needing replaced and you would believe him.
 

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New Statesman - The flaw in Osbourne's pre-emptive strike against currency union

BY DAVID SCHEFFER PUBLISHED 28 FEBRUARY, 2014 - 20:11



George Osborne delivering his speech on Scotland and the pound at the Point Hotel on February 13, 2014 in Edinburgh. Photograph: Getty Images.
Recently, misleading presumptions about what international law requires and seeming indifference to the necessity of negotiations following a possible pro-independence vote in Scotland on 18 September have framed the referendum debate. Politicians can always craft arguments around faulty presumptions and then make a dire outcome sound eminently plausible. But the fate of Scotland cannot be so easily disposed of by George Osborne.

The Chancellor's 13 February speech in Edinburgh, in which he rejected any currency union between Scotland and the remainder of the United Kingdom (rUK) in the event that Scotland’s voters approve independence, was partly based on the presumption that the rUK would be the "continuator" state of the existing United Kingdom. This means that the United Kingdom would continue as essentially the country it currently is (shorn of Scottish territory), oblivious to any equitable claims by Scotland and dictating that Scotland start from scratch, or with a "clean slate", to establish a resurrected independent nation.

The alternative to the antiquated continuator argument would be to view both Scotland and the rUK as two co-equal successor states (even though the rUK is obviously the larger of the two( whose fates are tied to an amicably negotiated transition from one nation to two nations following a "yes" vote on the referendum. International law recognises that possibility of a negotiated outcome, one that can be easily embraced by both Holyrood and Westminster if their mutual intent is to facilitate a smooth transition, rather than one seeking to sabotage it.

By laying down the gauntlet of rejecting any currency union with Scotland even before any referendum vote has taken place, and promising to "punish" the Scottish people if they vote for independence, Osborne overlooked an inconvenient truth. His entire argument rests on the presumption that no workable currency union is plausibly negotiable between Scotland and the rUK in the aftermath of a vote for independence. He simply assumes nothing can or would be negotiated in terms of the character or functioning of a currency union that would work to the benefit of both the rUK and Scotland.

Yet there will be negotiations following a pro-independence vote. Otherwise, the rUK would have far too much to lose on other fronts that also require negotiations, talks London will be keen to take up but which the Scottish government, if it follows Osborne’s punitive example, could refuse to negotiate about at all. Scotland need not negotiate sharing the UK debt and could simply let Westminster shoulder the entire estimated UK debt of £1.6trn in 2016/17. That is certainly the logic of the rUK being a continuator state. Nothing in international law requires Scotland to pay one sterling pound of UK debt if the rUK is deemed the continuator state. Nonetheless, the Scottish government has already offered to accept the liability of an estimated £100-£130bn as an independent Scotland’s share of the overall UK debt, but only as the end point of post-referendum negotiations.

Dire warnings that Scotland’s credibility in the markets would somehow nosedive if this transfer of debt were to happen overlook two simple facts. First, the UK Treasury already has agreed to cover all UK gilts in the event of independence, a point Osborne made in his speech. So there is no default on the horizon to panic investors. Second, Scotland would start fresh as a debt-free nation with the apparent agreement, indeed blessing, of the rUK. Perhaps Westminster really has decided to absorb completely the UK debt and thus not negotiate, but rUK taxpayers may wonder about the wisdom of such folly, particularly by a Conservative government. Creditors and investors might view the Scottish position—one of willing to pay, in good faith, its fair share of the UK debt but reluctantly avoiding that financial burden if London insists on being a continuator state and rejecting negotiations—as a sign of financial strength and political acume, rather than weakness or naivety in Edinburgh.

If Osborne’s pre-emptive rejection of a currency union stands, Scotland could sit back in the aftermath of a pro-independence vote and watch the rUK potentially lose a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, impose extremely onerous conditions on removal of the entire British nuclear submarine fleet from Faslane by Independence Day, force the rUK into a much more difficult relationship with the European Union that may accelerate British withdrawal, and, perhaps most importantly, refuse to negotiate a reasonable division of UK assets in a manner that would hurt the rUK more than Scotland.

None of this silly face-off has to happen. The logical outcome of a pro-independence vote is negotiations to facilitate a smooth transition with the goal of advancing the best interests of the citizens of each nation. Indeed that is exactly what was indicated in Clause 30 of the Edinburgh Agreement signed in October 2012 and which is internationally admired as a model of consensual deal-making.

Instead, Osborne launched a pre-emptive strike to kill post-referendum negotiations. He may think he is a realist playing hard politics to bring Scotland to heel, but these are tactics the Scottish government could also successfully employ but smartly has rejected - at least for now.

David Scheffer is a law professor and director of the Center for International Human Rights at Northwestern University School of Law "
 
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