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Toddy said:
The fishing industry is vital to Scotland. For Westminster's 1970 EU negotiations team brief the position was that
"In the light of wider British interests the interests of Scottish fishermen are expendable......"

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmstand/scotg/st021210/21210s07.htm
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This is the same EU that the SNP are so keen to join after independence. Of course they are going to welcome us with open arms and rip up previous fisheries agreements in favour of one that suits Scotland. If you want to help Scotland's fishermen stay part of the UK and vote to leave the EU in the really important independence referendum that will come after the next UK election.
 
If you ever wanted an example of a sure fire way of bankrupting a country leaving the EU is it. Exports would plummet because of the import duties charged in every EU country. The car industry would leave the UK because there is no point in producing cars here when they don't have access to the EU market. Said cars would go up in price in the UK. You think there is going to be an exodus of companies if Scotland gets independence? That's nothing to what will happen to the UK if they come out the EU. I haven't even touched on the money the agricultural industry gets from the EU and the list goes on.
I am really genuinely surprised at your statement when financial matters are one of your main reasons to vote no.
You think Scotland can't manage independent but as part of the EU, wait until you see what happens to the UK if it comes out of the EU.

Shall we start another thread on Yes or No to Europe?
 
Marki_GSA said:
If you ever wanted an example of a sure fire way of bankrupting a country leaving the EU is it. Exports would plummet because of the import duties charged in every EU country. The car industry would leave the UK because there is no point in producing cars here when they don't have access to the EU market. Said cars would go up in price in the UK. You think there is going to be an exodus of companies if Scotland gets independence? That's nothing to what will happen to the UK if they come out the EU. I haven't even touched on the money the agricultural industry gets from the EU and the list goes on.
I am really genuinely surprised at your statement when financial matters are one of your main reasons to vote no.
You think Scotland can't manage independent but as part of the EU, wait until you see what happens to the UK if it comes out of the EU.

Shall we start another thread on Yes or No to Europe?
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Total utter bollocks!
 
fatal said:
Total utter bollocks!
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Care to add anything more intellectual than that or will I just call your post total utter bullocks!

Actally that's a good line, anything from the no campaign I will just nick your sentence.

I give up, honestly guys may the best vote win but I am out of here. There is nothing left to discuss here especially with shit response like that.

Byeeeee!
 
Marki_GSA said:
If you ever wanted an example of a sure fire way of bankrupting a country leaving the EU is it. Exports would plummet because of the import duties charged in every EU country. The car industry would leave the UK because there is no point in producing cars here when they don't have access to the EU market. Said cars would go up in price in the UK. You think there is going to be an exodus of companies if Scotland gets independence? That's nothing to what will happen to the UK if they come out the EU. I haven't even touched on the money the agricultural industry gets from the EU and the list goes on.
I am really genuinely surprised at your statement when financial matters are one of your main reasons to vote no.
You think Scotland can't manage independent but as part of the EU, wait until you see what happens to the UK if it comes out of the EU.

Shall we start another thread on Yes or No to Europe?
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Might be better with another thread on the EU alone but it is a bit academic until we know what Scotland's status would be post referendum. However I understand that we now export more vehicles from the UK to non EU countries than we do to the EU and within Europe the UK is the second biggest market for vehicles behind Germany. I don't think trade barriers against vehicles from the UK are likely unless the EU wants to lose their second biggest market. As far as agriculture is concerned this is simply giving our farmers back some of the money the UK government pays to be a member of the EU. It is not "EU money" it is taxpayer's money and the cost in fraud of administering a European farm subsidy system is disgusting. There is much to commend a European free trade area but the system we now have is so riddled with inefficiency and corruption that it is no longer fit for purpose. It has to drastically reform or we need to get out. I prefer the former option but am prepared to back the latter if reform is not agreed.
 
Marki_GSA said:
If you ever wanted an example of a sure fire way of bankrupting a country leaving the EU is it. Exports would plummet because of the import duties charged in every EU country. The car industry would leave the UK because there is no point in producing cars here when they don't have access to the EU market. Said cars would go up in price in the UK. You think there is going to be an exodus of companies if Scotland gets independence? That's nothing to what will happen to the UK if they come out the EU. I haven't even touched on the money the agricultural industry gets from the EU and the list goes on.
I am really genuinely surprised at your statement when financial matters are one of your main reasons to vote no.
You think Scotland can't manage independent but as part of the EU, wait until you see what happens to the UK if it comes out of the EU.

Shall we start another thread on Yes or No to Europe?
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Mark, just take a look at the figures for what we get from the EU as opposed to what we put in. The latter outweighs the former by I believe £ billions.

As said above the EU are unlikely to destroy a massive market for their production by slapping import duties on UK products.

Other non EU countries such as Norway have trading agreements with the EU, so could the UK. If the EU had been a simple "Common Market" we would all be better off rather than this disastrous attempt at fiscal and political union which some career politicians are still intent on pursuing. Not for personal gain I'm sure :augie
 
Trident and the CBI supporting NO campaign

Why are CBI Scotland backing the NO campaign? Perhaps because their Chairman, John Howie, is the head of Babcock Marine - the company who are profiting from Trident.
 

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Toddy said:
Why are CBI Scotland backing the NO campaign? Perhaps because their Chairman, John Howie, is the head of Babcock Marine - the company who are profiting from Trident.
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No doubt the employees of Babcock Marine who are set to lose their jobs really resent their chairman lobbying to keep these jobs in Scotland. In the parallel universe inhabited by Toddy he should keep his mouth shut and just dish out the redundancy letters.
 
fellow tossers do me a favour and do not comment on toddy’s posts as i am certain he sits in front of his pc with his trousers at his ankles and dick in hand, jerking himself off at all the attention he’s getting.He has shown all the traits of someone with a histrionic personality disorder who requires treatment.Your only feeding his psychosis.
 
morty said:
fellow tossers do me a favour and do not comment on toddy’s posts as i am certain he sits in front of his pc with his trousers at his ankles and dick in hand, jerking himself off at all the attention he’s getting.He has shown all the traits of someone with a histrionic personality disorder who requires treatment.Your only feeding his psychosis.
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Worth a try :thumb :beerjug:
 
Toddy, you'll have to bore some other guys. I'm signing off from this futile thread. Oh just to keep you upto date the PD fishies well all my friends there are definitely no. Especially after the putin and th eu debacle. Bye, safe riding and cutting and pasting. It must be mind expanding though!!
 
Jon Snow's Blog

http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/visceral-hatred-westminister-politics/23805

"I have come away from Scotland deeply impressed by the high quality of debate, and the relatively low quality of many of the arguments put forward by the No campaign. I’m equally impressed by the range and quality of people who constantly surprised me by their commitment – often recently determined, to vote yes. My sense too is that where the vote on Scottish independence is concerned, Westminster politicians just don’t get it."
 
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