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that's what i have called my old 07 GSA and then my 2011 Twin cam GSA. yesterday i took advantage of my bike being serviced at CWs to take a spin on the new GS LC to see how much better it was.

getting out of dorchester, i immediately noticed the lighter steering and how the bike responded to delicate input. nice.
power delivery at slower speeds seemed a bit less grunty than my bike and there was some harshness to it generally. strange kind of "looseness" to the engine. it was almost rattly.when idling the tappets sound like my airhead. TBH i was a bit "meh" about the bike.

leaving dorchester and letting the bike get into it's stride was a revelation though. holy shit! it fecking flies when you open it up a bit. it's like turning on afterburners compared to mine. very impressive indeed. sadly, it was pissing down by then, so any higher speed hooning was out, but there are some lovely back roads around there so headed down to abbotsbury on the kind of gravel strewn back roads i love to ride :)

i found the ESA a bit of a, er, shock. i've never previously been impressed with either bmw oem suspension, or the concept of electronic adjustment, but this latest version was really rather good. at least one up, it coped very well on difficult roads. a little underdamped for my taste, but certainly comfy without any undue wallowing. the adjustment worked fine and was very noticeably different on the various settings i tried. it remains untested how it would fare two up, fully loaded in a bumpy 80mph bend, but i guess is that it would be ok, but not as good as my wilbers.


what else?

seat was comfy. surely another bmw first. didn't tip the rider onto the tank as previously either. maybe i wouldn't have to buy another sargent?

lovely light clutch lever, and a contra rotating wet clutch that makes the bike pull to the left when blipping the throttle. to a bloke with 35 years of riding guzzis and bmws, that's just wrong :)

there is so much poke in the midrange, i came to the conclusion that traction control is a good idea. totally unnecessary on the TC if the rider has half a clue.

the bike had been given to me in ROAD mode, which apart from the low speed behaviour seemed pretty good. i tried it in RAIN since it was raining and that smoothed it out a bit but it was a bit dull. late in the day i switched to DYNA which was easily the best of the lot, even on wet roads. it seemed the map the bike was designed for.

some things i didn't like:

the main dip/switch position.

the "conventional" indicator switch. the old system was much better and the new switch is too high to work without shifting my hand.

dash was nice to look at but the speedo and tacho are too small, and the tacho is partly covered by the factory fitted sat nav mount, and just what is the rational of having the most prominent part of the dash devoted to a huge gear position indicator??

so is it the best bike i've ever ridden?

i thought i might be disappointed getting back on my old GSA, but i wasn't. the low speed tractorability was nice and the engine had a creamy quality largely lacking in the LC.
the power of the new bike was fabulous, but i don't need it to ride how i like, it's just an occasional buzz really.

it is a really good bike, but i can see how a couple of folks on here have test ridden them and then gone and ordered a twin cam. i still might spring for an LC when the adventure shows up, but for now i think i'll be very happy keeping the old bike :)


good god! i think i might be turning into a luddite. the shame of it :blast
 
The seed is planted now.

Sounds like a great bike. I am resisting a test ride as this years bike fund has gone.
 
That reads like a fair report to me.

At the end of the day the manufacturers have to try to better the previous model and usually succeed. As, ISTR, Flipfly said, they make the bikes easier to ride but this doesn't necessarily make them better. Sometimes, some of the fun is to be had from wrestling with a bike and having to 'ride' it. Perhaps that's why classic bikes are becoming more and more popular. You have to ride them. They don't just do it for you, unlike the new breed of modern bikes with their ESA, TC and associated bollox. Modern bikes have become sanitised beyond belief. This is what the new breed of rider appears to demand. In the old days you 'rode' a bike. Nowadays with so many 'born again' and new bikers weened on cars the term 'drive' a bike appears more and more.

The days of riding a bike are over. They take you for a drive now! :rob
 
JB scoffed at my suggestion that the new bike would be no more than £500 more than the old one.

it's £200 cheaper :aidan

Your too fast for me.

I changed my mind as they are quite a lot of money and he's yet to bring himself to buy that SE he's wanted so badly for years but wont admit it :D

5-4-3-2-1 .... phone ringing any second :D
 
Nice :)

I was hoping you'd do a write up - interesting what you say about the suspension as I've always had a similar view to you about the OEM kit and ESA and also run Wilbers.

I've got my ride on Saturday morning, as a rider of a mere single cam bike I'm expecting a very big difference in performance, FWIW, and the day is looking dry and sunny so far :)

Andres
 
Cookie, I couldn't get to the point of parting with my hard earned for the previous GSs so you could say I've been seduced by the refined latest version big time. Strange but true but things that you didn't get along with helped me into the latest version so it works for me e.g.
- A proper indicator switch, which BMW have done a good design job on by just needing a light touch to operate with your left thumb which is much safer than moving the hand which controls the throttle to cancel. My previous K1200R was downright dangerous if I tweeked the throttle when cancelling so changed over the wiring to swop over the cancel/horn buttons. I expect long term GS riders might find it unnatural initially but it's a plus for me.
- Love the full led lights which have DRLs when the ignition is on and a light sensor for dark conditions. To bring on/off the main beam the lever/switch is ideally placed for me but there's so much traffic around I'm rarely on main beam so don't usually have anything to do with the lights, the bike takes care of that for me.
- Agree the speedo is small which is why I've (and many others) used the custom buttons on the screen to display the speed in numbers on the bottom line and don't even look at the speedo any more. Nice for BMW to give this option.
- I guess tall riders will find they've lost sight of the top of the tacho but for me at 5' 10" and standard seat in the low setting I can see it all but having said that I wouldn't be interested in looking at that part of the tacho at mid revs and surely the red line rev area at 3 o'clock is visible for tall riders?
- Love the gear position indicator on the screen.
- Does it really pull to the left? I hadn't even noticed. I'll check when I ride again so it must be very slight compared to the old boxers. I know you were joking.

Enjoy your GSA.
 
Couple more things I just remembered. The new improved gearbox mostly feels the same as the old one except if you accelerate hard through the first three gears where it is worse. More clunky, which is odd as it has a half engine speed clutch.

Dunno what they're like from 140 mph, but I felt the brakes perhaps lacked a bit of initial bite.

Of course a lot of my feelings could be attributed to familiarity with the old one, but I never had any quibbles or doubts when I traded from the 1150 to the 12, or even from the 12 to the twin cam.

Enjoy your ride andres, I did :)
 
That reads like a fair report to me.

At the end of the day the manufacturers have to try to better the previous model and usually succeed. As, ISTR, Flipfly said, they make the bikes easier to ride but this doesn't necessarily make them better. Sometimes, some of the fun is to be had from wrestling with a bike and having to 'ride' it. Perhaps that's why classic bikes are becoming more and more popular. You have to ride them. They don't just do it for you, unlike the new breed of modern bikes with their ESA, TC and associated bollox. Modern bikes have become sanitised beyond belief. This is what the new breed of rider appears to demand. In the old days you 'rode' a bike. Nowadays with so many 'born again' and new bikers weened on cars the term 'drive' a bike appears more and more.

The days of riding a bike are over. They take you for a drive now! :rob

You can still by the bike without all the fancy suspension, unfortunately ABS is now fitted as standard but at least you can turn it off.

I can't really comment of how much you have to 'ride' the Dynamic ESA and TC version of the bike, but I certainly still have to 'ride' my basic LC and it is a huge amount of fun.

I was weaned on bikes not cars and the LC is by far the best bike I have ever owned.
 
JB scoffed at my suggestion that the new bike would be no more than £500 more than the old one.

it's £200 cheaper :aidan

Fair report - well balanced & objective

After yesterday's rusty ride, I don't think I need more power or speed as a mainly solo rider

For the terrain I ride, premium suspension & comfort is more important
I reckon

I did think my bike was a bit heavy, so actually looked it up & it was 253kg wet which is only 15kg higher than the new LC ( the Adv has a few standard accessories like crash bars & the extra weight of a 30l steel tank, that the LC doesn't)
 
Couple more things I just remembered. The new improved gearbox mostly feels the same as the old one except if you accelerate hard through the first three gears where it is worse. More clunky, which is odd as it has a half engine speed clutch.

Dunno what they're like from 140 mph, but I felt the brakes perhaps lacked a bit of initial bite.

Of course a lot of my feelings could be attributed to familiarity with the old one, but I never had any quibbles or doubts when I traded from the 1150 to the 12, or even from the 12 to the twin cam.

Enjoy your ride andres, I did :)

I have previously owned from new a 2005 1200GS and a 2010 twin-cam - there is not one area where the new one isn't better, the brakes are noticeably better (perhaps your demo had glazed pads and needs some firm use to bring back the bite?), the engine is better, the gearbox is better, the handling better etc,etc,etc....

The only thing that I can think of that's worth a mention, is the clunk going into first, it sounds just like a chain driven jap sports bike in that respect, it grates with my mechanical sympathy but so many bikes do this that I can't imagine that it is a real problem.

You do need a few more revs in first gear before changing up to seconf, I think that the E-gas throttle has allowed them to 'soften' things off a tad in first gear - probably a good thing because of the increased torque and compression ratio. I found that you adapt to this just as you adapt to the little quirks of any bike.
 
Best bike I've ever owned was my...Fizzy but the LC comes a very close second!!!:bounce1

Most fun bike I ever had was a Ducati 250 street scrambler - would be good to make a comparison with the LC, anyone got one that I can borrow? :bounce1
 
Better of with an 1100 or 1150. From everything I have read on here they are much better bikes. :augie
 
Most fun bike I ever had was a Ducati 250 street scrambler - would be good to make a comparison with the LC, anyone got one that I can borrow? :bounce1

Now that would make for a good MCN test... I'd pay £2.10 for that.

I did buy MCN yesterday. I want that £2.10 back. They rated the Triumph higher in performance than the LC yet in all the measurements below the ranking the LC was better.

Not sure I got that.
 
Completely agree. Somone on here referred to it as an Elsie, that's a no no!

I'll use WC from now on!!!

:thumb
 


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