The Hills Have Starts...

[pbbanks]

are those having a pop at me as stupid as you come across ?

the idea of all these unnecessary extras are purely to increase wear and tear to the bike - quick shift smear the gears to death and destroy the box, hill start wear out the clutch and contaminate the engine oil - extended service intervals - its only designed to help you need a new bike so they sell more

I suggest you get back to the marketing department and leave bikers to ride them properly

Give it a rest for goodness sake!.

You're now claiming manufacturers put extra features on so that they wear things out qujcker. . So, how does that help them when they give a 3 year warranty and have to fix things at their own cost.

My conclusion is that you are stupid.

 

[Victor c]

are those having a pop at me as stupid as you come across ?

the idea of all these unnecessary extras are purely to increase wear and tear to the bike - quick shift smear the gears to death and destroy the box, hill start wear out the clutch and contaminate the engine oil - extended service intervals - its only designed to help you need a new bike so they sell more

I suggest you get back to the marketing department and leave bikers to ride them properly

Utter bollix.

And for the record, my hill start control works perfectly.

You do know that in manual and auto mode it works relative to the amount of front or rear brake pressure you apply as a rider. If you are clumsy at stopping and you grab a handful of front brake, or stab the rear brake, it will apply firmer brake pressure than it actually requires. It will then take more effort for it to release (which can also be accomplished by a sharp pull or dab of either brake, eliminating any clutch abuse).

Maybe you need a lesson or two in bike control.

 

[J biker]

Wades in…
Had hilstart on several bikes, very useful, and zero issues. Cant see anything to complain about or dislike and sure as hell not dangerous. It takes fairly firm squeeze of the lever to engage, which you will ‘feel’ when engaged…or not. Brilliant.


As to qucikshifters, now on my sixth bike equipped with a shifter. Used it on all bikes, including shifting from 1st to 2nd which some manufacturers say not to, but get timing right and it can be done smoothly even on a 2017 GS. Some bikes it is more important to have throttle, revs and load right. But, they all work best on an open throttle. Any closure of throttle (as if you are using the clutch) will result in a horrible change.
Gearbox failures? None. Abuse given? Plenty.
Caveat, the KTM 1290 gt was a crap gearbox with nasty false neutrals from day 1, with or without clutch/shifter. Got no worse or better with miles..or abuse.


Back to the hill start. Just try it without passengers and or luggage, on a gentle incline to get a feel for it. Go from there. Useful kit.

 

[J biker]

as a self confessed short arse, sometimes, on a camber I need to have my right foot down

when I had an R1150GS in 2001 to 2011 I learnt to do a hill start using the front brake. I actually prefer this technique now and rarely use the rear brake on a hill. As my right hip has been problematic in more recent years, this became a very useful skill to have as I could have a little stretch rather than keeping my right foot on the brake at a junction.

This bit. You cant always do the text book foot on brake pedal. Despite being (I think Roadcraft and, others..) it is often more important to have two feet down, than right foot up and not be able to keep balance.
Remembering, the most useful tool of all, the brain.

 

[Barnoe]

I find the HS clumsy to use and I've nearly dropped the bike because of it.
It released suddenly on a very steep hill in Clitheroe a few years back and sent me backwards with the front wheel skidding.
I've never used it since.

I just use the rear break and release as normal once the clutch bites without using it, I feel more in control.

For a safely feature its not safe!

 

[botus]

Give it a rest for goodness sake!.

You're now claiming manufacturers put extra features on so that they wear things out qujcker. . So, how does that help them when they give a 3 year warranty and have to fix things at their own cost.

My conclusion is that you are stupid.

are you really a silly as you seem - of course they make aim to get the failures / end of life after the warranty ends - they are criminals not idiots



Hyundai 7 years, Toyota 5 years even a Ducati gets 4 years - but german stuff 3 years

 

[botus]

I find the HS clumsy to use and I've nearly dropped the bike because of it.

For a safely feature its not safe!

see bold - another person that speaks the truth

 

[pbbanks]

are you really a silly as you seem - of course they make aim to get the failures / end of life after the warranty ends - they are criminals not idiots



Hyundai 7 years, Toyota 5 years even a Ducati gets 4 years - but german stuff 3 years

You really are loosing the plot now; even your grammar does make sense "they make aim to get failures" ??.

Your logic that they make things to last the length of the warranty doesn't make sense either. They give the length of warranty to entice buyers in & they hope most items won't fail within that period.
Just because Hyundai etc etc. give longer warranties doesn't mean they are made any better or worse than BMW, it just means they calculate that the extra sales they gain will more than cover their costs for any extra warranty claims.

 

[andy tims]

I use HS quite a lot on my R1300GS with no issues. I manually activate it.

I also like it when stopped at traffic lights for instance, if I'm facing down hill.

 

[Beemer Bob]

Crikey Lads!
It's gotten a little heated on my first post from a long lay off But I'm here for it!
LOL.

Hill-Less in Hatfield

 

[BillyBoxer6]

HS is definitely easier to use with the R1300 ASA.
It was useful on the Manual R1250, but you had to be fully aware of the fact that it would Disengage almost as soon as the Clutch Lever was Pulled In.
Once you had that clear in your Mind, it was a very useful Tool for me.
I always have it set to Manual though, because I like to decide when such things turn On and Off.

 

[grantmac]

Crikey Lads!
It's gotten a little heated on my first post from a long lay off But I'm here for it!
LOL.

Hill-Less in Hatfield

Dont be put off @Beemer Bob ....its just this fella Botus who causes a lot of ''discussion'' with some of his posts.
I personally ignore it but many do find some of his negativity and sometimes word soup and grammar a bit strange.
I did actually think it was a ''bot'' from the US that was scraping bad reviews on BMW's off other sites simply to dump here and annoy others...

As my old man used to say.....'It takes many flowers to make the garden beautiful''
to which my reply is ''yea but we can rip out the fekkin weeds......''

 

[Martin GSA UK]

It's/He's been no problem since I put him on 'ignore'.

 

[Shinyface408]

Wtf is up with you? You spout nonsense again

I think botus may be the British version of the American 170 bhp GS specialist .........no none names him in case he comes back....................same drivel and clap trap on subjects others bring up on which he appears to be an expert.......appearances can be deceptive !
Shinyface

 

[Doris]

My hill start works perfectly thank you with no abuse of the clutch, I'm sorry to hear I'm not a biker after 45 years riding that's really upset me......

I know, right ? 45 (plus) years of riding over, I reckon, (last count) 85 motorcycles from mopeds to “hyper-tourers”….and we know nothing….sad…

 

[Wapping]

Thanks for the great comments, guys!
I will fumble through the settings and ENGAGE!

Not so wet behind the ears Beemer Bob

I have the large and heavy 1600 GT, with hill start assist, or whatever it’s called. It is, in a word, excellent and perfectly safe.

The problems you might have read about are, in the majority, down to simple rider error, amplified when - to their horror - they find their bike rolling backwards.

So good is it, that I use it as a kind of handbrake (when waiting at traffic lights for example) on an otherwise perfectly flat road.

Use with confidence!

 

[botus]

I have the large and heavy 1600 GT, with hill start assist, or whatever it’s called. It is, in a word, excellent and perfectly safe.

The problems you might have read about are, in the majority, down to simple rider error, amplified when - to their horror - they find their bike rolling backwards.

So good is it, that I use it as a kind of handbrake (when waiting at traffic lights for example) on an otherwise perfectly flat road.

Use with confidence!

first thing I disable on any bike is hill start try to help me drop the bike

anytime BM updated the whole bikes SW (7 times on my K1600GTL) it re-enables that unpleasant and irritating rubbish - and the GS911 seemed to turn it on whenever I scanned the bike too

so as you roll the bike out of your garage and let it do its thing engine off (but "recalcitrant wireless irritant key on" - as you had to get the steering lock off), if you applied a smidge of brake to gently slow down - "hill start try to drop my bike" - would smash the brakes full on and stop the bike instantly - at its a 380kg monster you were happy rolling around a slight curve intending to gently come to rest (and place a foot down) in 2 metres time (when you reached where you wanted to be) an unexpected instant stop came as a dangerous unbalancing nuisance that nearly got me 3 or 4 times

if you can't blip the throttle whilst modulating the front brakes from brushing the pads to a full on stoppie - park the thing and sell it

 

[OMG!!]

For those that struggle using HS, there is always an alternative, cant imagine why BMW never thought of adopting this method.

 

[SBD]

first thing I disable on any bike is hill start try to help me drop the bike

anytime BM updated the whole bikes SW (7 times on my K1600GTL) it re-enables that unpleasant and irritating rubbish - and the GS911 seemed to turn it on whenever I scanned the bike too

so as you roll the bike out of your garage and let it do its thing engine off (but "recalcitrant wireless irritant key on" - as you had to get the steering lock off), if you applied a smidge of brake to gently slow down - "hill start try to drop my bike" - would smash the brakes full on and stop the bike instantly - at its a 380kg monster you were happy rolling around a slight curve intending to gently come to rest (and place a foot down) in 2 metres time (when you reached where you wanted to be) an unexpected instant stop came as a dangerous unbalancing nuisance that nearly got me 3 or 4 times

if you can't blip the throttle whilst modulating the front brakes from brushing the pads to a full on stoppie - park the thing and sell it

Are you for real? You do talk some bollocks!

 

[grantmac]

first thing I disable on any bike is hill start try to help me drop the bike

anytime BM updated the whole bikes SW (7 times on my K1600GTL) it re-enables that unpleasant and irritating rubbish - and the GS911 seemed to turn it on whenever I scanned the bike too

so as you roll the bike out of your garage and let it do its thing engine off (but "recalcitrant wireless irritant key on" - as you had to get the steering lock off), if you applied a smidge of brake to gently slow down - "hill start try to drop my bike" - would smash the brakes full on and stop the bike instantly - at its a 380kg monster you were happy rolling around a slight curve intending to gently come to rest (and place a foot down) in 2 metres time (when you reached where you wanted to be) an unexpected instant stop came as a dangerous unbalancing nuisance that nearly got me 3 or 4 times

if you can't blip the throttle whilst modulating the front brakes from brushing the pads to a full on stoppie - park the thing and sell it

FFS what ARE you driveling on about. I dont even follow your language… are you using google translate or something. What a load of total bollox. I tried to keep my composure on here but with your absolute drivel even I cant hold myself back.
As my dear old man used to say…. It takes many flowers ….and all that…..
But your crap really even pushes my buttons…. Wish you would just take it elsewhere