The Hilltop beckons

Speedy1959

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Mine is booked in at Hilltop on the morning of the 18th this month.
I have been before with a Yamaha MT-01 I once owned. Now that was a bike with the torque of a Tractor (150Nm!!) in standard form.
To be honest my bike isn't that bad the way it is.... I do hope it hasn't already been done !:blast
 
he will soon know if its been done or not ,he keeps a record of all registrations that have been done whether he tells you is another matter :thumb
 
I thought mine wasn't that bad, but it was much better afterwards, especially after a decat.
 
Thanks for that..
I intend to get CAT free headers BUT keep the standard silencer.

Make sure you fit the headers before you go, as the whole exercise will be pointless if you don't.
 
Make sure you fit the headers before you go, as the whole exercise will be pointless if you don't.

I asked Geoff at Hilltop about that and he said it wont be a problem if I fit headers after the remap as it will "learn" the new parameters.
Theres no way on earth i will have headers before next Saturday..Thats why I brought up this very point with him !
 
I asked Geoff at Hilltop about that and he said it wont be a problem if I fit headers after the remap as it will "learn" the new parameters.
Theres no way on earth i will have headers before next Saturday..Thats why I brought up this very point with him !

Hmm, I'd be inclined to fit the headers first. Your call though.:thumb
 
Tuning bikes without the software to access the ecu tables and parameters, 3 or 4 wot dyno runs, where it doesn't matter what air filter / intake or exhaust mods you've done or intend to do. Must be Hilltop…. Your call though.
 
As I stated.. There isnt a chance in hell I will have headers for next Saturday..
If it comes to it I shall just leave the standard headers on because as I have already said, the bike seems to run well enough as it is.
I will ask Geoff for a before and after dyno print out then I can see if its already been done!
 
As I stated.. There isnt a chance in hell I will have headers for next Saturday..
If it comes to it I shall just leave the standard headers on because as I have already said, the bike seems to run well enough as it is.
I will ask Geoff for a before and after dyno print out then I can see if its already been done!

Why not? Get the headers sent to Geoff, and ask him to fit them.:thumb
 
I asked Geoff about his tuning with aftermarket headers and silencer he said it is he best option but if riding to his place use posh petrol because better headers will aggravate the hot exhaust caused by 95 RON petrol.
 
I fitted my headers after Hilltopping and the bike runs just fine. Geoff told me his fuelling map will self-adjust for the less restrictive exhaust. I also stuck with the standard can, mainly because there is, allegedly, no performance gain from replacing it and that's £300 towards a set of Wilbers.
 
I fitted my headers after Hilltopping and the bike runs just fine. Geoff told me his fuelling map will self-adjust for the less restrictive exhaust. I also stuck with the standard can, mainly because there is, allegedly, no performance gain from replacing it and that's £300 towards a set of Wilbers.

Thats pretty much exactly what Geoff said to me Greenman
 
A top potty system will release a few bhp at the top end and a good system will not lose anything at the mid range and bottom end. I got lucky with my Akraprovic system but full system costs can be high.
 
If people are interested in remapping, this may help choosing someone to do it and help avoid getting ripped off. I'm sure many of you already know this stuff, but from experience of having a few bikes remapped it could be useful for those new to it.

1. Be clear exactly what you're looking for, e.g.

More top end power
Easier throttle control at lower revs (up to 4k, 20-30% throttle)
More torque at lower revs
Less engine braking
Smoother transition from idle to off-idle
Able to use low octane fuel in Outer Mongolia

2. Tell your tuner what you're looking for in an email and ask for a reply explaining how he will achieve this. The answer should include this lot:

Which remapping software will be used? Confirm it's licenced. (Check that the software has been developed to access your particular ECU!)
Generic map or a custom dyno-developed remap?
Turn off O2 sensors and closed loop – if not will lambda maps be edited?
Remove secondary air induction
Provide stock maps downloaded on usb stick
Which maps will be edited, fuel, ignition, manifold air pressure, the switching map tables etc?
How many dyno runs full and part throttle? This should be 30-40 runs for a custom remap, for a generic map a dyno run is just for power info, so you don't need one if you don't want.
How long will the remap take – a custom remap should take 4 hours +

3. Make sure it's the type of business you want to deal with

How long has the business been in existence?
Testimonials from customers published on the tuner's website (be wary if they're only on internet forums and Facebook – anybody can populate them and the tuner isn't validating them)
Look at dyno prints for your bike model that have been done before – do the power increases look reasonable? A 5% increase is very good for just a remap, be skeptical of any more and don't be disappointed with 3% - it should still feel much better to ride.
Look at the tuner's website – does it look professional and up to date? Here's a good example http://bsd.uk.com/
Do the premises look professional? Visit beforehand if you can.
Does the tuner waffle on anecdotally and/or just talk jargon and technical bullshit? Don't be taken in just because someone seems like a great bloke – you're buying a service not a friend.
If you're not happy with how your remapped bike performs, will the tuner adjust the mapping to try and resolve your concerns?

Remember, if you don't understand what your tuner is doing it's your risk if your engine blows, not your tuner's. If you end up with so much ignition advance that it needs lead substitute additives to stop pinking, it's your fault for not asking for a 'safe' engine tune!
 
If people are interested in remapping, this may help choosing someone to do it and help avoid getting ripped off. I'm sure many of you already know this stuff, but from experience of having a few bikes remapped it could be useful for those new to it.

1. Be clear exactly what you're looking for, e.g.

More top end power
Easier throttle control at lower revs (up to 4k, 20-30% throttle)
More torque at lower revs
Less engine braking
Smoother transition from idle to off-idle
Able to use low octane fuel in Outer Mongolia

2. Tell your tuner what you're looking for in an email and ask for a reply explaining how he will achieve this. The answer should include this lot:

Which remapping software will be used? Confirm it's licenced. (Check that the software has been developed to access your particular ECU!)
Generic map or a custom dyno-developed remap?
Turn off O2 sensors and closed loop – if not will lambda maps be edited?
Remove secondary air induction
Provide stock maps downloaded on usb stick
Which maps will be edited, fuel, ignition, manifold air pressure, the switching map tables etc?
How many dyno runs full and part throttle? This should be 30-40 runs for a custom remap, for a generic map a dyno run is just for power info, so you don't need one if you don't want.
How long will the remap take – a custom remap should take 4 hours +

3. Make sure it's the type of business you want to deal with

How long has the business been in existence?
Testimonials from customers published on the tuner's website (be wary if they're only on internet forums and Facebook – anybody can populate them and the tuner isn't validating them)
Look at dyno prints for your bike model that have been done before – do the power increases look reasonable? A 5% increase is very good for just a remap, be skeptical of any more and don't be disappointed with 3% - it should still feel much better to ride.
Look at the tuner's website – does it look professional and up to date? Here's a good example http://bsd.uk.com/
Do the premises look professional? Visit beforehand if you can.
Does the tuner waffle on anecdotally and/or just talk jargon and technical bullshit? Don't be taken in just because someone seems like a great bloke – you're buying a service not a friend.
If you're not happy with how your remapped bike performs, will the tuner adjust the mapping to try and resolve your concerns?

Remember, if you don't understand what your tuner is doing it's your risk if your engine blows, not your tuner's. If you end up with so much ignition advance that it needs lead substitute additives to stop pinking, it's your fault for not asking for a 'safe' engine tune!
That sounds like your having a pop at a tuner without naming them I too wanted a remap so I read a lot of glowing endorsements of one on here not one story of disappointment or engine blow ups / problems so off to Leicester I went had it done paid my 350 quid which in the world of Bmw ownership ain't a lot and I'm well happy with it 😃
 
Yes, I was about to add that the summary offered by backstreet hero are wise words so it is just as well the OP is going to Hilltop with a proven imrovement in riding performance from many happy customers...including me.

Having said that, as a change I decided to go down the AF-XEID route on my latest TC and have o say I am very pleased with the results. Cost about h same but with the added advantage on being sent to my door and potentially will revoked some of the outlay if I ever come to sell.

Cheers
 
That sounds like your having a pop at a tuner without naming them I too wanted a remap so I read a lot of glowing endorsements of one on here not one story of disappointment or engine blow ups / problems so off to Leicester I went had it done paid my 350 quid which in the world of Bmw ownership ain't a lot and I'm well happy with it ��

You echo'd my thoughts exactly..

I have been to Hilltop in the past with a Yamaha MT-01 and my Brother has also been. Both of us had no complaints!

Its June and high summer so I have bought a set of waterproofs ready for the 2.5 hour trip there !!!
 
Also some lazier tuners have been known to just increase ignition advance, usually accompanied by advice to increase the octane rating of fuel you use (to help avoid detonation). Although you'll get more power, it can be risky (moreso if you haven't got knock sensors) so it's worth confirming that your tuner isn't just doing this. It's your engine and your risk, so you need to know what any tuner is doing before you let them loose on your ecu. Every tuner should be able to show you on screen how much ignition advance has been added compared with the stock maps.
 


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