The Union.

[Dean]

You have to wonder why the main, English controlled, political parties are so keen for Scotland not to achieve independence, don't you....?

I suppose grass often looks greener but what has Scotland got to gain by achieving independence is it like making a mountain out of a mole hill?

 

[wilbjr21]

Originally Posted by Schtum
You have to wonder why the main, English controlled, political parties are so keen for Scotland not to achieve independence, don't you....?

Because that is what the Queen of the United Kingdom wants.

Why one earth doesn't the SNP campaign in England ....... may get a few seats from what has been written on here.

 

[MacFarlane]

Only if we can build that wall back up to keep them out completely

This would be 'THE wall', so from north of the banks of the Tyne from Wallsend through to Newcastle itself, on into Northumberland to Cumbria. So you'd reduce Englands territory and cede additional lands to Scotland.

Back to the debateable lands

 

[Hebby]

noare you ?

Bravo - brilliant comeback - yer a literary genius akin to Bill Shakespeare and I bow to a superior brain allbeit worn in yer arse

 

[Dean]

This would be 'THE wall', so from north of the banks of the Tyne from Wallsend through to Newcastle itself, on into Northumberland to Cumbria. So you'd reduce Englands territory and cede additional lands to Scotland.

Back to the debateable lands

More like chronic masterbaters

 

[Hebby]

i must admit to feeling sorry for the english not having a viable independence movement of their own, i agree , you should have it . it confuses me why you persist in voting for a conservative government that strives to keep you tied up in your own class war with yourselves. instead of looking inward to see what your country lacks, you're too busy showing what you have, thats sad . i'm sure i've seen someones signature line saying " he who dies with the most toys wins"
I was once asked by a child from england how much my house was worth , presumably he was trying to see where i was in your class system , therefore able to work out his own place. it seems to be instilled in your DNA from the cradle to the grave.stop thinking you're superior to other races( a purely english trait) rise up, change, make a country you can be proud of.
Scotland is doing just that.

BRAVO sir

 

[Dean]

i must admit to feeling sorry for the english not having a viable independence movement of their own, i agree , you should have it . it confuses me why you persist in voting for a conservative government that strives to keep you tied up in your own class war with yourselves. instead of looking inward to see what your country lacks, you're too busy showing what you have, thats sad . i'm sure i've seen someones signature line saying " he who dies with the most toys wins"
I was once asked by a child from england how much my house was worth , presumably he was trying to see where i was in your class system , therefore able to work out his own place. it seems to be instilled in your DNA from the cradle to the grave.stop thinking you're superior to other races( a purely english trait) rise up, change, make a country you can be proud of.
Scotland is doing just that.

thank god you have not got a paranoid chip on your shoulder

 

[MacFarlane]

More like chronic masterbaters

Can't go near high building for fear of tossing myself off

 

[von K]

i must admit to feeling sorry for the english not having a viable independence movement of their own, i agree , you should have it . it confuses me why you persist in voting for a conservative government that strives to keep you tied up in your own class war with yourselves. instead of looking inward to see what your country lacks, you're too busy showing what you have, thats sad . i'm sure i've seen someones signature line saying " he who dies with the most toys wins"
I was once asked by a child from england how much my house was worth , presumably he was trying to see where i was in your class system , therefore able to work out his own place. it seems to be instilled in your DNA from the cradle to the grave.stop thinking you're superior to other races( a purely english trait) rise up, change, make a country you can be proud of.
Scotland is doing just that.

What a load of fucking shite.

 

[von K]

I suppose grass often looks greener but what has Scotland got to gain by achieving independence is it like making a mountain out of a mole hill?

Isn't that for Scots to decide? You might care more if it was your homeland.

 

[Mr K]

Isn't that for Scots to decide? You might care more if it was your homeland.

I care for Scotland, but it is not my home land. I fear a romantic notion blinds patriots to the obvious facts.

 

[AberdeenAngus]

How many of the rigs are within the 12 mile territorial limit?

Got nothing to do with the 12 mile limit.
There is a north sea convention which not only lays down 'who owns what' but it also includes details of how to work it out in the future. It's based on median lines between territorial waters.

 

[AberdeenAngus]

I am greatly encouraged by threads like this.
When discussing independence, in a few short years, we have gone from denial to anger. Next comes bargaining.

Just watch the negotiating leading up to the referendum.

There is a certain inevitability about the whole thing.

 

[BBB61]

Got nothing to do with the 12 mile limit.
There is a north sea convention which not only lays down 'who owns what' but it also includes details of how to work it out in the future. It's based on median lines between territorial waters.

So would that mean that if the independence is granted that the SNP would then have to try and renegotiate the convention with all the other interested parties?

 

[Ronno]

Punch drunk on patriotism, blind drunk on borderism. Maybe I should drive?

 

[Dean]

Isn't that for Scots to decide? You might care more if it was your homeland.

I also Care. but what I asked is whats the perceived gain ? and whats the perceived Loss ?

Scotch Mist

 

[leasky]

In all this patter about oil & gas, has anyone wondered where the Shetland Islanders would want to be in a UK breakup? Maybe they would want to bring their oil & gas to an independent England.

Speaking as a native Shetlander, I doubt if there is too much love lost for many individuals south of Sumburgh Head when it comes to National politics - "Wolves at the lambing" to quote a line from Rob Roy.

Since 1970, the oil industry has given a quality of life never seen before in Shetland and there is literally not a community within the islands which hasn't benefited in some way from the Zetland Act, which was thrown together by a group of indigenous individuals who had no political leaning; simply the true desire to protect the community from the weight of external politics, the wanton desire of oil companies and ensure atleast some of the oil revenue was put to good use locally.

As some of you can attest (who have visited); Shetland has managed its Oil fund well and I doubt that we would have had the benefits that are self evident at home if we had not been able to manage our own business.

The Oil fund currently sits at several hundred million pounds and my biggest fear is that there will be a "Smash and grab" job from whichever shower of shite are sitting in Edinburgh or London when they want more money for duck-ponds, interior decorating or hamsters to shove up their fecking arses.

 

[Posh Pete]

my biggest fear is that there will be a "Smash and grab" job from whichever shower of shite are sitting in Edinburgh or London when they want more money for duck-ponds, interior decorating or hamsters to shove up their fecking arses.

Stand as an MSP Leasky. You'd get my vote every time!!!! And a lot more as well I suspect!

 

[Dean]

Speaking as a native Shetlander, I doubt if there is too much love lost for many individuals south of Sumburgh Head when it comes to National politics - "Wolves at the lambing" to quote a line from Rob Roy.

Since 1970, the oil industry has given a quality of life never seen before in Shetland and there is literally not a community within the islands which hasn't benefited in some way from the Zetland Act, which was thrown together by a group of indigenous individuals who had no political leaning; simply the true desire to protect the community from the weight of external politics, the wanton desire of oil companies and ensure atleast some of the oil revenue was put to good use locally.

As some of you can attest (who have visited); Shetland has managed its Oil fund well and I doubt that we would have had the benefits that are self evident at home if we had not been able to manage our own business.

The Oil fund currently sits at several hundred million pounds and my biggest fear is that there will be a "Smash and grab" job from whichever shower of shite are sitting in Edinburgh or London when they want more money for duck-ponds, interior decorating or hamsters to shove up their fecking arses.

Shetland for Independence

 

[jonnyingram]

In all this patter about oil & gas, has anyone wondered where the Shetland Islanders would want to be in a UK breakup? Maybe they would want to bring their oil & gas to an independent England.

You must be Joking,we would be better off going back to being part of Norway.