UNflag your routes

[russ996duke]

anyone actually used this app to get rid of annoying announcements of points of no interest?

http://garminzumo.wikispaces.com/Modifications


seems to be a great idea but dont really want to be test pilot

 

[richardbd]

Never used it myself but I have a "friend" who rides all over the world with a Zumo 550 and he swears by the PONI Killer app...

 

[russ996duke]

Never used it myself but I have a "friend" who rides all over the world with a Zumo 550 and he swears by the PONI Killer app...

at the moment I often find myself swearing AT the zumo bitch as she endlessly announces ponis....so maybe this is worth a go!

 

[Pablo1]

at the moment I often find myself swearing AT the zumo bitch as she endlessly announces ponis....so maybe this is worth a go!

ive used a zumo 660 for last 3 years, never had a poi announced, need to check your settings

 

[russ996duke]

ive used a zumo 660 for last 3 years, never had a poi announced, need to check your settings

how lucky are you!
they are a pain, so i am surprised to hear you are not troubled by them...

ermmm,POI also include speed camera warnings, so you have never had one of those, at all?

do you create routes in mapsource and download them or use the zumo direct?

I do not know enough about zumo to be able to work this issue out, but its interesting because someone has gone to the trouble of creating an app for a problem that does not exist, if you are correct...maybe your settings include POI "off"...so you are not troubled by them...

 

[Bumpkin]

On my 660 routing/shaping nodes tend to not get announced though occasionally one does (no apparent rhyme or reason why). Proper way-points which are part of the route as well as proximity alerts for speed cameras are still announced.

Apart from the occasional announced shaping node, which I can tolerate, everything works very well.

 

[russ996duke]

well I am going to use the app to "unflag" the route waypoints that appear on the routes I made for my foreign sortie in june. it will be interesting to see if it works and what difference it makes.
I do tend to use waypoints to force mapsource to follow the roads I choose, then end up with lots of flags which are then unneccessary but get announced anyway...so the verbal diarrhea builds up what with the twistie roads being announced as left or right turns every few metres, she never seems to shut up.
bit like being at home really!!

 

[Bumpkin]

I do tend to use waypoints to force mapsource to follow the roads I choose, then end up with lots of flags which are then unneccessary but get announced anyway...

Possibly therein lies the difference. I use Basecamp which has the option to either announce or silence shaping points and for that matter way-points (though in most instances you want your way-points announced). There has been talk of this feature not being supported by unit firmware, however, it seems to work with my 660 (firmware v4.90) though there are occasions where they seem to get announced whatever the setting though this is rare.

In my book the following describe the difference between the two.

way-point: a specific feature that you have intentionally created, usually using the way-point tool (red flag in toolbar). Almost invariably you will want to visit this point as a destination, it could be your hotel, lunch stop or meeting point etc.

shaping node: a point used purely to influence the roads that the route follows but otherwise of no interest as you're riding, usually created by dragging the route to your preferred road or using the routing tool to define a new route.

As Mapsource ceased development in late 2010 this sort of thing is going to become more prevalent as Basecamp is evolved further.

 

[russ996duke]

Bumpkin
it will be interesting to see if unflag app works with basecamp...

having spent quite a few years getting mapsource to do nearly what i want it to, am not impressed that garmin have now stopped supporting it so at some point I will have to change to baecamp...another superb piece of intuitive software for sure

 

[The Grey One]

Possibly therein lies the difference. I use Basecamp which has the option to either announce or silence shaping points and for that matter way-points (though in most instances you want your way-points announced). There has been talk of this feature not being supported by unit firmware, however, it seems to work with my 660 (firmware v4.90) though there are occasions where they seem to get announced whatever the setting though this is rare.

In my book the following describe the difference between the two.

way-point: a specific feature that you have intentionally created, usually using the way-point tool (red flag in toolbar). Almost invariably you will want to visit this point as a destination, it could be your hotel, lunch stop or meeting point etc.

shaping node: a point used purely to influence the roads that the route follows but otherwise of no interest as you're riding, usually created by dragging the route to your preferred road or using the routing tool to define a new route.

As Mapsource ceased development in late 2010 this sort of thing is going to become more prevalent as Basecamp is evolved further.

Sounds just like Mapsource does for me, loads of numbered points that don't appear on the route details (hover over the route to see them) but which transfer to my 2610 so that it goes the way I intended. Later machines insist on re calculating the route and therefore don't use these extra points.
So it looks like Basecamp may at last have fixed the problem created when Garmin introduced the 550 and then the 660! Transferring routes to my 2610 takes a lot longer than to a 660 because of this but as soon as the route is transferred my 2610 is ready to go. A 660 then wastes time re calculating a route I have already calculated in Mapsource. If I am forced to replace my 2610 then I think that will be the time for me to look at Basecamp.

Maybe someone on here can tell me about an area where Basecamp really does do it better.

John

 

[MickTheSaw]

Didn't work for me unflagging em.
They still get announced, the only way shaping points aren't annouced is to put them on the intersection of two roads
eg "Tosser street and LC1200 Road" but put them on "road & road" they will be announced as the next one will be "road1 & road1" the roads must be named or "road & alley"
This works ok in the UK but is hit and miss in europe,I think because alot of the roads names are really long..???.
Doing the above you never get them announced in the UK,Way points are totally different and are always announced.
This is in Mapsource
Basecamp is another kettle of fish,it has a "check box" in the route properties of basecamp to "not announce shaping points" but the zumo firmware doesn't recogonise it...
Mts

 

[daesimps]

I use Basecamp and always make sure I use shaping points that are on sections of road without and address or are at a junction. This causes the Zumos to not announce the points. I've never had them announced in the UK or Europe. I use a Zumo 660.

I planned a route for the missus last week using the same method and she doesn't recall her Zumo 500 announcing them either.

I find it far easier to plan my routes in Basecamp that way than to mess around with other software to try and stop the Zumo from announcing the points. In fact the software linked to has a couple of distinct disadvantages and they recommend doing it the way I do any way:

"Use caution with this program, as you lose all via points from your route. Keep an original route in MapSource and recognize that if your Zumo recalculates an 'unflagged' route, it doesn't have these Map Intersection points anymore and will route as if they never existed. If your route is not an off-road route, you may be better off using Map Intersection, 'shaping' points.

While starting to ride, make sure that route recalculation is switched off. If not, the route gets changed immediately after you go a bit off route"

To my mind it doesn't make sense to use the Zumo and then remove it's ability to get me back on route if/when I make a mistake. That's obviously just my opinion on my circumstances but put out there so others can understand the risks of using PONI Killer.

Apparently the new Zumo 350 supports the "do not announce" flag in Basecamp correctly.

 

[Pablo1]

how lucky are you!
they are a pain, so i am surprised to hear you are not troubled by them...

ermmm,POI also include speed camera warnings, so you have never had one of those, at all?

do you create routes in mapsource and download them or use the zumo direct?

I do not know enough about zumo to be able to work this issue out, but its interesting because someone has gone to the trouble of creating an app for a problem that does not exist, if you are correct...maybe your settings include POI "off"...so you are not troubled by them...

Speed Camera Warnings- Tools/settings/proximity points uncheck the box for garmin safety cameras, job done , pain in the arse anyway.

Routes created in mapsource yes, you dont need loads of waypoints i only ever have the start and end as waypoints unless im planning to stop somewhere particular on route.

 

[The Grey One]

Speed Camera Warnings- Tools/settings/proximity points uncheck the box for garmin safety cameras, job done , pain in the arse anyway.

Routes created in mapsource yes, you dont need loads of waypoints i only ever have the start and end as waypoints unless im planning to stop somewhere particular on route.

But if you rode anywhere interesting you might like to choose the actual route yourself. I can't see the point of using Mapsource if you are only going to put in a start and end point, why not just do that on your device and cut out the middleman?

I have loads of routes set up for around here, they all have several waypoints to ensure that the route follows the best road/ takes in a fantastic viewpoint/best foodstops etc. In the case of my routes a start and end point only would not help much as they start and end here!

Are you not missing the point of route planning beforehand, the ability to plan is, I think, what it is all about.

And before the "you don't need to plan, I always wing it" brigade join in.-you guys don't need Mapsource or Basecamp anyway. Those of us who enjoy planning routes are more than happy to let you lot make it up as you go along, allow us the same courtesy.



John

 

[Bumpkin]

But if you rode anywhere interesting you might like to choose the actual route yourself. I can't see the point of using Mapsource if you are only going to put in a start and end point, why not just do that on your device and cut out the middleman?

I have loads of routes set up for around here, they all have several waypoints to ensure that the route follows the best road/ takes in a fantastic viewpoint/best foodstops etc. In the case of my routes a start and end point only would not help much as they start and end here!

Are you not missing the point of route planning beforehand, the ability to plan is, I think, what it is all about.

And before the "you don't need to plan, I always wing it" brigade join in.-you guys don't need Mapsource or Basecamp anyway. Those of us who enjoy planning routes are more than happy to let you lot make it up as you go along, allow us the same courtesy.

John

I think he's referring to way-points as opposed to shaping nodes, that's the way I read it anyway but I'm used to operating the same way. Way-point for start, way-point for end, then get down to crafting a nice route using the shaping nodes... If stopping for lunch at a specific location add that as a way-point and drag the route to that.

 

[The Grey One]

John

I think he's referring to way-points as opposed to shaping nodes, that's the way I read it anyway but I'm used to operating the same way. Way-point for start, way-point for end, then get down to crafting a nice route using the shaping nodes... If stopping for lunch at a specific location add that as a way-point and drag the route to that.

I use Mapsource, not Basecamp and I need to add waypoints so that guest's 660's can recalculate the routes correctly. Once I have got them to set their preferences correctly that is. Around here if you try and use "shortest route" you are going to see a lot of farm yards and goat tracks.

John

 

[GSTourer]

I've had my 550 for 5 years and never heard one....have I turned them off?

I feel shortchanged now!

 

[Bumpkin]

I use Mapsource, not Basecamp and I need to add waypoints so that guest's 660's can recalculate the routes correctly. Once I have got them to set their preferences correctly that is. Around here if you try and use "shortest route" you are going to see a lot of farm yards and goat tracks.

Way-points and shaping nodes are the same in Mapsource, though you don't have the silence option. Way-points by dropping a flag and adding that to your route either by selecting it with the route tool or by dragging to the route onto it. You can use built in POIs in the same manner. Shaping nodes are where you just drag the route to a road/junction to purely influence your route.

I've been using Mapsource for many years and only recently moved over to Basecamp.

 

[Pablo1]

John

I think he's referring to way-points as opposed to shaping nodes, that's the way I read it anyway but I'm used to operating the same way. Way-point for start, way-point for end, then get down to crafting a nice route using the shaping nodes... If stopping for lunch at a specific location add that as a way-point and drag the route to that.

Absolutely thats the way to do it

Thank you