Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

[AberdeenAngus]

Of course there is turbulence in the stock market. It's bracing itself for a 10% devaluation in the event of a refusal by Westminster to agree to monetary union.
Now, if they had announced a while ago that, in the event of a Yes vote, sterling would carry on unchanged.......no turbulence.

 

[Ronno]

Makes you wonder - why the "Better Together" Campaign nor the Government and shadow party - never mention any of that ?

Al

In fairness Deutsche Bank yesterday announced that Independance would trigger a "Great Depression". My mate has depression and he says it's anything but great.

Im more concerned that Deutsche Bank have only discovered this potential financial global meltdown 5 days before the vote. What kind of experts and analysists are they employing? FFS I'm incensed and will be moving the family gold bullion bars from DB HQ into the Bank Of Scotland first thing tomorrow

 

[Deleted account 190920002]

Got to laugh but at least we all can take the crack without too much agro. Reminds me of talking to a rig worker in Zanre's chippie PD, there had been a big bust up on queen street the night before and his landlord had said " its all you Geordie's who cause the problem" I just grinned at that.He didn't say who started the fracas. More diplomacy than some of us here!!!

 

[busy builder]

If you think all this nonsense about big business upping and leaving or putting up prices is good for the NO campaign, then wait till you lot darn sarf get to vote on the EU in or out campaign.

What's happening now will be like a stromash down a back alley.

We up here will be giving you grief then and we'll be getting told to shut as it's none of our business, just like it's none of (for instance) Devons business now.

As some on here would say, shut up and get on with it FFS.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Of course there is turbulence in the stock market. It's bracing itself for a 10% devaluation in the event of a refusal by Westminster to agree to monetary union.
Now, if they had announced a while ago that, in the event of a Yes vote, sterling would carry on unchanged.......no turbulence.

They made their position quite clear....repeatedly.....there will be no currency union because it is not in the interest of the UK. This view was endorsed by everybody who would be involved in the decision. How could they have made such an announcement as you demand?

I expect the UK government to protect my interests as a citizen of the UK now, and I should imagine the citizens of the rUK will expect the rUK government to do the same for them if Scotland decides to jump off the cliff. Not unreasonable I would have thought?

 

[Ronno]

They made their position quite clear....repeatedly.....there will be no currency union because it is not in the interest of the UK. This view was endorsed by everybody who would be involved in the decision. How could they have made such an announcement as you demand?

I expect the UK government to protect my interests as a citizen of the UK now, and I should imagine the citizens of the rUK will expect the rUK government to do the same for them if Scotland decides to jump off the cliff. Not unreasonable I would have thought?

Now I'm confused. Not difficult I accept.

I thought Darling stated in the last debate with Fat Eck that Scotland could keep the pound in the event of a YES vote? From memory, he repeated this statement when asked to confirm.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Sorry, not making myself clear, Darling said Scotland could use the pound.....he went on to say or rouble, or yen, or dollar or whatever eck wanted but was drowned out by ecks bawling.

Using the pound is not the same as currency union...this has been comprehensively rejected.

The effect of this would be to give Scotland less control than it has now over the management of its economy. In fact, none at all.

The other piece of misinformation touted about is that only independence will give Scotland the government it seeks; the reality is that 3 out of the last 4 elections have given Scotland exactly the government it wanted.....and probably the next too.

 

[Steptoe]

IMHO this is what Alex does best, avoid answering the real questions by diverting attention elsewhere.

What do you expect. He's a politician, not the messiah, it's what they ALL do.

Pontificate for as long as it takes to enable them to get around to the well rehearsed sound bite they want you to hear.

 

[trebor]

What do you expect. He's a politician, not the messiah, it's what they ALL do.

Pontificate for as long as it takes to enable them to get around to the well rehearsed sound bite they want you to hear.

I know, but Alex is just so good at it, indeed a champion in skirting the question and in the use of misinformation. The two posts previous to yours regarding the pound are a fine example.
I just can't believe that people are taken in by him.

 

[busy builder]

A friend of mine wrote this, it mirrors my sentiments so thought it might be worth posting here, open to ridicule from those south of the border obviously...

For the last 2 years, I’ve been firmly in the No camp. I’m proud to be British. I’ve made no secret of my dislike of Alex and some of his policies. My feelings there haven’t changed but over the last month my views have. I’ve waited for Better Together to convince me that we actually are and they just haven’t. The leader of the Union, a man who’d be “heartbroken” if we left didn’t feel it was his place to fight for us. They waited until a week before to dangle the “more power” carrot. Why not offer it 2 yrs. ago? They waited until a week before to bother showing face. Now I'm supposed to vote No cause Miliband was on a Number 26 bus?

We’ve now got all the scare stories coming out about higher prices and all the doom and gloom we can expect…and it is just stories because all these ‘facts’ are simply best guesses and contingency measures because not I, not you, not them, no-one actually know what will happen next for sure. Thing is though we’ll never know if we don’t try.

Together we have lost most of our industries. Together we’ve lost around 65 countries – not one of which has asked to come back. Together we privatised everything and created a wealth divide. Are we really Better Together? If we are why do we have families lining up to use food banks, children going hungry, more people in fuel poverty than ever, huge housing waiting lists, the disabled being hit by cuts? If that’s as good as we can do for our country over 300 yrs. of work then it’s shit.

We have 8.3% of the population of the UK but we have 32% of the land, 90% of the fresh water, 65% of the natural gas, 96% of the crude oil, 46% of the forests, 40% of the wind wave and solar energy production, 62% of the timber production, 60% of the fish landing, 30% of the beef herd, 20% of the potatoes, 15% of the cereal crop, 92% of the hydroelectric production. We have billions of pounds worth of trade and exports. Most of all though we are a population of creative, inventive and explorative minds, there’s no arguing with that when we look at what we’ve contributed to the world, who have the ability to create opportunities and make the best of our resources. These resources give us a great base to start from.

Lots of people are saying No because they’re scared. How can you justify that when you have no idea what will happen tomorrow but you still make plans? What is there to fear? Like it or loathe it the SNP run us in budget as it is. Their figures might be wonky to me but they’ve proven they can manage a budget. For every job potentially lost there will be a new gap in the market. This is about my children’s future and their children’s future. The best people to decide our futures are us. The best people to run our country are us. The best people to decide our best interests are us. I want our elderly cared for without having to give up everything they worked for to get that care, I want our kids educated in things that matter...useful life skills not the theories of ancient greeks, I want our NHS to be safe, I want our streets to be safe. Right now my voice isn't heard among the 60m others. I didn't vote for the current UK govt. How many of us did? It's a part of our politics in the UK. It's not democracy, it's geography. We will get what England choose. That's not their fault. That's just how the numbers go. My voice will be louder if I am one of 6m. We have a chance to get what many countries fight bloody wars for without a single bullet being shot. I don’t want to miss this chance because I was too scared to try. And I hope if you're undecided you won't let fear stop you...by all means let something else stop you. That's your right but don't gamble the future on "What if" because "What if" works both ways.

So it might be Euros, it might be pounds, it might be juice bottles. It won’t be easy, there will be bumps ahead but voting No cause my beans might increase? Voting No because Nigel Farage says I should? I don’t think so. It's not about the SNP, Salmond or any one individual. Team Scotland will be made up of all our best people from all our parties and together they will fight for the best divorce settlement they can for us. We've tried it this way for centuries and it’s not working. We can't stay together for the sake of the kids, we can't stay with them because they're pregnant. If they wanted us they should have treated us better, they should have put a ring on it! It’s time to try something else.

So I’m going to do something that was unthinkable a few months ago. On 18th I will be voting Yes.

 

[Devon]

He doesn't but I agree with much of what he says there. If Scotland does gain Independance although that's unlikely: we have (among others) Fatal, Captain Black and Ian J Whatsisname's assurances that that won't happen, then you'll no longer have to subsidise the Scots freebies.

In truth, if the boot was on the other foot, I'd probably be pissed off as well. I just don't understand the logic of trying (desperately at times) to persuade a nation that by the sounds of it are nothing more than a bunch of drunken, drug taking freeloaders to remain part of the Union.

I've read elsewhere that there could even be a violent backlash to Scottish Independance (although the threat was made via keyboard and not personally). I'd hope that not to be the case. Mind you, violence is yet another Scottish stereotype so I'd doubt they anyone up here would be too bothered

Decster talks about independence but he lives in a country that signed its independence away and takes orders from Germany and France. The irony is that is what Scotland would like apparently.

The backlash will be against the Scots for a long, bitter, chaotic, acrimonious break up of the union. Why would the rest of the UK have any goodwill towards the Scots who will attempt a smash and grab on the UK's economy? No one could dissuade the Scots from their foolish Darien fiasco 300 years ago and it seems no one can pursuade the Scots to formulate a sensible plan for independence now. I hope England doesn't have to pick up the pieces yet again but we probably will.

 

[Ian J Hartley]

Referendum in the UK are not legally binding. The Westminster Parliament is the Sovereign authority and can overturn the results of referendum if it chooses too.

To do so however, would make the government extremely unpopular.
But, until The two parliaments sign the the Act of Secession, and the Queen endorses it, Scotland and all of it's people will remain within the Union. Therefore, if the economic pressures become too great, the Westminster Government would have to act to protect the interests of all of us, if that means setting aside the Scottish Referendum, then I'm sure it would do so, and in doing so would probably get popular support.

 

[Blackal]

I hope England doesn't have to pick up the pieces yet again but we probably will.

England, England, England, England,England, England,England, England,England, England,England, England,England, England..............

That's what it boils down to? England and its three dependencies.......................

You just can't help it............

 

[Devon]

England, England, England, England,England, England,England, England,England, England,England, England,England, England..............

That's what it boils down to? England and its three dependencies.......................

You just can't help it............

Who rescued you from the Darien fiasco? Yes England. Sorry you don't like it but that is what happened.

 

[Ronno]

Decster talks about independence but he lives in a country that signed its independence away and takes orders from Germany and France. The irony is that is what Scotland would like apparently.

The backlash will be against the Scots for a long, bitter, chaotic, acrimonious break up of the union. Why would the rest of the UK have any goodwill towards the Scots who will attempt a smash and grab on the UK's economy? No one could dissuade the Scots from their foolish Darien fiasco 300 years ago and it seems no one can pursuade the Scots to formulate a sensible plan for independence now. I hope England doesn't have to pick up the pieces yet again but we probably will.

I'll reiterate my earlier comparison to the playground bully scenario, Andy.

 

[Ronno]

Referendum in the UK are not legally binding. The Westminster Parliament is the Sovereign authority and can overturn the results of referendum if it chooses too.

To do so however, would make the government extremely unpopular.
But, until The two parliaments sign the the Act of Secession, and the Queen endorses it, Scotland and all of it's people will remain within the Union. Therefore, if the economic pressures become too great, the Westminster Government would have to act to protect the interests of all of us, if that means setting aside the Scottish Referendum, then I'm sure it would do so, and in doing so would probably get popular support.

Then I'd suggest that there would be civil unrest

 

[AberdeenAngus]

They made their position quite clear....repeatedly.....there will be no currency union because it is not in the interest of the UK. This view was endorsed by everybody who would be involved in the decision. How could they have made such an announcement as you demand?

C'mon Gerry. You know that's a pre-referendum position. In the event of a Yes vote, on The Monday morning then the real discussions will begin and monetary union (of some flavour) will be on the table. It's to RUK's benefit that there is union. And before you mention that its not independence with monetary union, I would ask, is anyone within Europe truly independent ?

 

[snelly]

The only thing that stands out on most posts from North of the border is. It may hurt us, but it will hurt you even more. So that's good enough for us. So much for common sense and reason.

 

[AberdeenAngus]

The only thing that stands out on most posts from North of the border is. It may hurt us, but it will hurt you even more. So that's good enough for us. So much for common sense and reason.

Most posts ? Really ?
I must be reading a different thread.

 

[Ronno]

Most posts ? Really ?
I must be reading a different thread.

My thoughts exactly.

A very bizarre analysis....