► Centre and side stands

Hi
I lowered my 800gs 5cm at Wilbers in Germany,I had the original center stand on from the time I bought the bike.

Cut and welded the stand when I came home,no problems at all.
I took off 5cm off center stand on the vertical and a few cm on the horisontal part so it fitted nicely on the bike.

cheers
fishburger
 
Side stand lean: is there sideways play on your stand?

My F650GS leans over at a frightening angle when on the side stand and I've now taken to biasing my luggage load to put all the heavy stuff to the right hand side of the bike.

Also, my side stand flexes at the joint with 20mm play across the beam of the bike (the joint actually moves). So this increases the lean. I thought this was unusual when I bought the bike, and checked another example which was the same. However when I was in Bahnstormer a couple of days ago I checked an F650GS and a F800GS and the play was hardly detectable.

BM Donator reported what might be a similar problem on post #33 of http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145912

So the questions are
(1) does you bike lean in a manner that worries you?
(2) how much play is there on your side stand?

Tim
 
Mine does as well Tim :eek:

A lot better since I renewed the mounting bolt ... it was worn and loose :eek:

It's a crap design, at it's best the bike has to be lent to the right for the sweep of the propstand to move past the vertical...

The bloody propstand only locates in it's forward position in the last inch or so of movement, so it's soooo easy for it to flip back up again just as you're lowering the bike on to the propstand :eek:

There's quite a bit of play on the propstand, but after a lap of der Nürburgring last week I would rather it not be solid anyway :eek:

Check the mounting bolt, maybe shim up between the stand and the mounting lug to take out that free play (beware cut out switch at the rear has a small securing nut)

I now just make extra special note of the terrain I'm gonna stop on and try to judge accordingly. Sometimes I can't get the bloody stand down.....


..... except at der Nürburgring :eek:

:beerjug:
 

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Yeah mine has a fair amount of freeplay, and some big lean angles. I seem to recall that BMW did something to tighten it during the 600m service, but its back again. On inspection, its not as simple as tightening nut...
 
Micky said:
It's a crap design...
...The bloody propstand only locates in its forward position in the last inch or so of movement, so it's soooo easy for it to flip back up again just as you're lowering the bike on to the propstand :eek:
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All true IMHO.

And since the footprint of the stand is so small anyway, I made what's basically a fat wedge of aluminium and bolted it to the stand - multiplies the footprint area by a factor of 4 (roughly) and it gives an extra 10 - 15mm of height, so the bike doesn't lean over nearly as far when it's on the sidestand, and I can use it on loose surfaces without it sinking in. I do have to lean the bike slightly right when I put the stand down, but not by an uncomfortable amount.

But - I shouldn't have had to, if they'd designed it properly in the first instance. Gits...
 
Normally I would have heavier things in the smaller lefthand pannier to balance the bike, but I now stick all the heavy stuff in the big righthand pannier and bias the luggage roll to the right. I also try to find parking places where the ground falls away to the right (as shown here), rather than the left.

And still the bike almost falls over.
 

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Got some play in my side stand. But as the only luggage I use is a top box and tank bag, it's not too much of a concern, for now. But I'm going to mention it when I get the corroded fork stancion replaced.
 
The sidestand is indeed poorly designed. On one occasion, with full panniers and topbox, I ended up under the bike which toppled over on the sidestand as I was getting off the bike. I plan to add a lump of ally under it to hold the bike more upright although that will need removing for greenlaning where the stand already seems too long in anything resembling a rut.
 
Having seen the ENORMOUS kink in the sidestand of the current R1200GS, I think that it's the one that they should have fitted to the 800. Would cure the "catching in ruts" problem too, I'd imagine.

I'll need to have a close look at the fittings of the 1200's sidestand next time I see one. Anyone got one of each, so they can compare sidestands?

Failing that, putting a 1200-style kink in the 800's sidestand might be the way to go. Who's going to be a guinea pig for us all here?
 
Yes, I have an R1200GSA as well as the F650GS twin. The R-GS side stand sweeps down and because of the kink the lowest part of the sweep is also the locked position. On the F-GS the stand sweeps down to the ground, then carries on past this lowest position and ends up 35mm higher up in the locked position, which to make matters worse is also further biased towards the front of the bike.

The extra 35mm causes the lean problem and the forward bias causes the bike to rotate around the side stand. You can't make the stand longer with a bigfoot as you wouldn't then be able to get it past the lowest position of the sweep. I was tempted whilst in Morocco to get the stand modified by the roadside metalworking experts. It needs a 'dog leg' to make it both lower and further back towards the rear of the bike.

Maybe if we referred to the dog leg as a 'hoffmeister kink' BMW might take notice. [Bimmer enthusiasts will understand the joke.]

Tim
 
Just had a look at mine on my 650, its on its centre stand and with side stand up there is a very slight bit of play, with the stand down there is no play at all (its only 2 weeks and 450miles old if that makes a difference?) I always thought there wasnt enough lean on it but that could just be me being over cautious. Its in the garage dripping on the floor at the minute so i'm unable to take a pic of it on its side stand. Will try and post one over the next couple of days. :)
 
Just this morning I was looking at the stand as I put it down having wheeled the bike out of the garage and thought it looked a bit "loose" on the bolt.
:(
I'm waiting for NN to deliver a centre stand & then I can take a look at it.
 
Tim Cullis said:
Yes, I have an R1200GSA as well as the F650GS twin. The R-GS side stand sweeps down and because of the kink the lowest part of the sweep is also the locked position. On the F-GS the stand sweeps down to the ground, then carries on past this lowest position and ends up 35mm higher up in the locked position, which to make matters worse is also further biased towards the front of the bike.

The extra 35mm causes the lean problem and the forward bias causes the bike to rotate around the side stand. You can't make the stand longer with a bigfoot as you wouldn't then be able to get it past the lowest position of the sweep. I was tempted whilst in Morocco to get the stand modified by the roadside metalworking experts. It needs a 'dog leg' to make it both lower and further back towards the rear of the bike.
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I'd have thought that since you have the 650, the problem wouldn't be as severe as on the 800; with them both having the same sidestand (AFAIK), but the 800 being taller, it (the 800) should lean over more when on the stand. By the same token, the 800's stand doesn't hit the ground when it's swung down, so a "fatfoot" (don't know if that's a trademark) can still be (and, in my case, is) fitted without having to tip the bike over to the right.
Maybe if we referred to the dog leg as a 'hoffmeister kink' BMW might take notice. [Bimmer enthusiasts will understand the joke.]

Tim
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I've noticed a few non-BMW cars with a similar side/rear window profile in recent years... :D
 
freeloader said:
I'd have thought that since you have the 650, the problem wouldn't be as severe as on the 800; with them both having the same sidestand (AFAIK), but the 800 being taller, it (the 800) should lean over more when on the stand.
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The part numbers are different, so I don't think they are the same.

freeloader said:
By the same token, the 800's stand doesn't hit the ground when it's swung down
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Neither does the 650 side stand, what we're saying is that it would hit if the side stand was lengthened. See Micky's comment re his 800.

Tim
 
side stand

my side side has a lot of excess play on it, i mentioned it to the head mechanic at my dealer, after a quick check and comparison with a brand spanking new bike, im getting my replaced, under warranty,

im not sure who has had a 6000 mile service lately but it appears bm have advised their dealers of a few "non official recall" replacement parts.

just had the hoses replaced, and new chain and sprocket, the hoses done under warranty, but had to pay for the chain and sprocket, i know some dealers are replacing that under warranty too, but mine didnt

need some advice on replacement tyres. any ideas???
 
800 side stand

My side stand gave in totally and the bike fell over damaging side panel and the exhaust. :mad: My dealer managed to get it repaired under waranty.:bounce1
 
Side stand on F800GS

Hi Guys,
I didnt like the lean angle on my 800 so I took the side stand off and bent it more using a pipe bender. It now has more of a kink in it.

The result is that I dont have the problem of trying to tilt the bike to the right to put the stand down, it works very well.
The lean angle is actually less so the bike is more stable on the sidestand.

While I had it off the bike I also welded some larger plate to the bottom of the stand leg and it much better in mud and sand now.

For the inquisitive, no it has not bent further or failed in any way at all and it does not interfere with the rear footpegs or anything.

If you have access to a pipe bender then this is a cheap fix.
My pipe bender is a cheap Chinese made import that I use on the farm.

Cheers
Tony
 
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