200 miles in........panniers already corroding!

[Schtum]

We have a Brabantia bin in our kitchen. It's the 40 litre stainless steel jobbie. It cost about £80 when we bought it 5 years ago. It was considerably more expensive then any other bin in the shop outside of the Brabantia range. I consoled myself in the fact that Brabantia has an excellent reputation and a 10 year warranty. Quite why you would need a 10 year warranty on a kitchen bin was beyond me that is until in year two the lid on the bin failed so I ordered another lid which dually arrived.

18 months later the new bin lid failed so another replacement was supplied FOC. I noticed a link on their website which allowed me to leave feedback about my lid supplying experience so I did and on reading through other customers experiences realised that these bin lids are failing for a past time and all that Brabantia do is replace the lid FOC for the 10 year warranty period of the bin. Nobody it seems takes responsibility for the failures or asks the design team to go back to the drawing board and redesign the lid to prevent it failing in the first place

So far we have had three replacement bin lids during of 6 year ownership period and guess what? Yes that's right. the third replacement lid failed earlier this week so I am now awaiting my fourth replacement. The cost of these lids to me so far had been £Zero. Brabantia charge £40 for them if you buy them as a replacement part plus they then have to post them from Belgium. How many more lids will fail over the next four years is a guess but going by current trends I am expecting a further two at least

I'm guessing this is the failure of the catch on the bin lid. I persisted for ages just thumping the lid near the hinge when I wanted to open it until I decided to apply a bit of intelligent fault finding to the issue. Ten minutes and a dab of superglue in the correct place and the lid had worked perfectly ever since. OK, so perhaps you shouldn't have to do this on the lid of an £80 bin (actually, I think I bought ours in Makro so it was nowt like eighty quid...) but it beats buggering about with replacements.

 

[hutchy]

Put salt and water on an alloy.Any alloy will do but one containing aluminium would be perfect.Add a little heat.The result is oxidation.Whenever the alloy was made.The chemical reaction hasn't changed.If you want to avoid corrosion, wash the salt off after every ride in winter.If you can't be arsed, fair enough but stop the tiresome moaning about it.

You always have a choice not to read it

Mr happy

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[Engineer]

Put salt and water on an alloy.Any alloy will do but one containing aluminium would be perfect.Add a little heat.The result is oxidation.Whenever the alloy was made.The chemical reaction hasn't changed.If you want to avoid corrosion, wash the salt off after every ride in winter.If you can't be arsed, fair enough but stop the tiresome moaning about it.

Exactly - guess what the manual even says wash it if you get salt on it.
Some people are genetically predisposed to complaining, it is just a fact of life.

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

I'm guessing this is the failure of the catch on the bin lid. I persisted for ages just thumping the lid near the hinge when I wanted to open it until I decided to apply a bit of intelligent fault finding to the issue. Ten minutes and a dab of superglue in the correct place and the lid had worked perfectly ever since. OK, so perhaps you shouldn't have to do this on the lid of an £80 bin (actually, I think I bought ours in Makro so it was nowt like eighty quid...) but it beats buggering about with replacements.

No, not in my case .... On each and every occasion it has been the plastic lid cracking where it loops around the hinge

Once the lid has cracked it loses all rigidity making it difficult to both open and close

Another replacement lid arrived today

 

[Nikonnigel]

My 64 plate GS te is showing signs of corrosion on the engine. My previous bike tiger 800 2011 did not appear to have any corrosion on the engine casings, BUT it was a well documented problem on the tiger forum and Triumph were quite difficult to deal with, as people on the forum would have you believe.
1,So whats wrong with surface corrosion? the casings are not going to rot through they are too thick for that. Just a cosmetic thing? I cant see it affecting the value too much because just before trade in a bit of touching up and no salesman is gonna get up off his seat to look too closely.
2, Whats the point of new casings/engine if they are going to do the same? at what point/age of bike will BMW refuse anymore replacements?
3, Do I go into my local dealer (Bahnstormer Alton) and ask them what to do/bang fists on desk etc?

Bike is 2 years old in September so I suppose I have until then to mull it over

As usual any comments sarcastic or helpful greatly received.

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

If I were you I would highlight your concerns to your dealer at the earliest opportunity and not leave it until it is just about to run out of the manufacturers warranty

 

[roamer]

It looks like the salt has dried on, not surprised it's corroded,
You might be better getting a refund on the bike as its all going to look like shit soon,
I allow post ride cleaning time and my bike like many is corrosion free,
A friend has been looking at gs, the state of many of the bikes in dealers is poor,
Not just bmw, the winter bikes are easily spotted, shiny plastics corroded metal parts
It seems the old biker tlc cleaning is lost on many,, maybe pcp encourages it,
Roamer

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

It looks like the salt has dried on, not surprised it's corroded,
You might be better getting a refund on the bike as its all going to look like shit soon,
I allow post ride cleaning time and my bike like many is corrosion free,
A friend has been looking at gs, the state of many of the bikes in dealers is poor,
Not just bmw, the winter bikes are easily spotted, shiny plastics corroded metal parts
It seems the old biker tlc cleaning is lost on many,, maybe pcp encourages it,
Roamer

Good tips

I always build in time for post ride cleaning

 

[Rushy]

Good tips

I always build in time for post ride cleaning

My riding buddy does the same thing. Personally I'd rather stay out for an extra hour as I'm never sure when I'm next going to get out next for a decent ride. Time seems to going faster and faster.......

 

[Jacal]

It looks like the salt has dried on, not surprised it's corroded,
You might be better getting a refund on the bike as its all going to look like shit soon,
I allow post ride cleaning time and my bike like many is corrosion free,
A friend has been looking at gs, the state of many of the bikes in dealers is poor,
Not just bmw, the winter bikes are easily spotted, shiny plastics corroded metal parts
It seems the old biker tlc cleaning is lost on many,, maybe pcp encourages it,
Roamer

Yep!....Couldn't agree more.

 

[cookie]

Good tips

I always build in time for post ride cleaning

A good policy IMO.

After riding in shitty conditions, but particularly salt, all that is needed is a quick rinse with a hose and then spray liberally with FS365.

10/15 mins max.


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[ymfb]

Bike is 2 years old in September so I suppose I have until then to mull it over

Exactly what nice n fat said, if the corrosion is easily noticeable and clearly aged you will have an uphill battle getting it fixed as there is usually a clause that puts the onus on the owner to promptly report faults before to prevent the damage deteriorating.

We had a large damp problem caused by a faulty seal on a waste pipe in our living room. The failure of a 50 p part cost is probably £2k, insurance company argued the damage would have less if reported earlier.

 

[DRAIN MAN]

I have a set of Metal Mule on my present bike, they have been fitted to 2 previous BMs and have now done well over 80,000 miles and they are still in better condition then most of the BMW ones which are only a few month old. BMW have a serious quality control issue with many of their products but seem to do very little about it.

 

[Nutty]

I have a set of Metal Mule on my present bike, they have been fitted to 2 previous BMs and have now done well over 80,000 miles and they are still in better condition then most of the BMW ones which are only a few month old. BMW have a serious quality control issue with many of their products but seem to do very little about it.

I repeat again, the panniers are made by Touratech, not BMW.

 

[DING-DONG]

I repeat again, the panniers are made by Touratech, not BMW.

TT may well make them but BMW specify the spec right down to the untreated material and regardless your purchase contract lies with BMW .

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I repeat again, the panniers are made by Touratech, not BMW.

Aha, but TT coat their own and not the ones they make for BMW

Must be down to money

 

[David Nimrod]

I have a set of Metal Mule on my present bike, they have been fitted to 2 previous BMs and have now done well over 80,000 miles and they are still in better condition then most of the BMW ones which are only a few month old.

That's simply because Metal Mule are a serious product, built to do a job (adventure traveling).

Unlike the cheap rubbish on new BMW's, which is built to get to every now and again

 

[hutchy]

That's simply because Metal Mule are a serious product, built to do a job (adventure traveling).

Unlike the cheap rubbish on new BMW's, which is built to get to every now and again

Llf!!!!!

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[agent2494]

Just buy a can of wd40 spray all over the fucking panniers and ride your bike ffs.


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[Sprocket]

HybridX nano coating. Got mine done before collecting my new GSA in November and top box was included in overall bike coating. Much more effective than ACF 50 as the coating is not affected by washing, and it's easier to clean too.
http://www.hybridx.co.uk