2009 R1200GS

:jibber Oh c'mon, are you after a trolling award! ;)

Being "best" on paper, or anywhere else for that matter has never been the whole story. Ford Escorts and Morris Marinas have been Britain's best selling cars when there were "better" alternatives. How do Ducati manage to sell bikes to anyone when people could buy a Honda instead? Similarly the 1200GS might not be "the best" for any number of reasons but it's hardly stopped them flying out the doors making a huge amount of money for BMW. The fact my bike has a daft engine, no chain and some funny forks is all part of the appeal. Take those elements away and the customers will go elsewhere. Alll imho of course.:thumb

Surely this is the whole point, not just with GS's and BMW's in general but Moto Guzzi, Harley, as well, they both produce bikes with engines that have not substantially changed in design for over 50 years and that is their charm, both produced and continue to produce other engine types but none of them are as successfull as the one that is unique to each manufacturer, the same can be said for BMW, Beemer make Boxers, Harley make pushrod v twins of enormous size and low power, Guzzi make across the frame V twins, that is the way the world should stay, :-) !!!!!
 
I'm not so sure. I'd really go for K1200GS. The smoothness, power and refinement of that K lump in the versatile frame of the GS would be something i'd certainly want to try. As long as they could keep the weight down of course!!

How much power do you want / need??

Though I guess more choice is always welcome. When the GS started it was all about light weight, good flexible real world power, comfy up-right position, chuckability and simplicity. As time has passed some of these charactrisitcs hace changed.........we now have the GS available in several flavours but I am not sure about a four cylinder.............but who knows??
 
Just thought I should point out that the corporate focus for BMW these days is very much focussed on low carbon-emission vehicles. OK this is the car division and the motorrad arm is somewhat maverick. But remember the F800-series were designed primarily with fuel efficiency in mind.

If there is an update to the R1200 coming, which I doubt will be in the next few years but after that, you can expect it to be water-cooled and fuel-efficient. Maybe a flat-4 boxer?

And if anyone was going to bring out a diesel bike, apart from the special-purpose military ones, it would be BMW. But I can't see it happening any time soon. Maybe in ten years time.
 
Just seen this thread.

Stirring is always a popular "hobby" among fat twats :D

Just thought I should point out that the corporate focus for BMW these days is very much focussed on low carbon-emission vehicles. OK this is the car division and the motorrad arm is somewhat maverick. But remember the F800-series were designed primarily with fuel efficiency in mind.

If there is an update to the R1200 coming, which I doubt will be in the next few years but after that, you can expect it to be water-cooled and fuel-efficient. Maybe a flat-4 boxer?

And if anyone was going to bring out a diesel bike, apart from the special-purpose military ones, it would be BMW. But I can't see it happening any time soon. Maybe in ten years time.

Very well said. Looking how well BMW does in the diesel engines department and overall engine design - BMW picked up the most of 2006 car engine awards, and BMW officially states that diesel is the best concept to get the most power out of per fuel consumption, thus it would be realistic to have first diesel big caliber production (dual sport or tar) touring oriented bike coming out.

Re: KTM engine on BMW stir. I reckon the talks (if there is any) is about moving any speciefic model engine manufacture into KTM factory to be built according to BMW specs. Due the growth in sales and introduction of new models (they now officially promise 5 new models every new year) BMW has spread the component production worldwide to keep up with demand that their current factories can't. The new forthcoming G450X engine was already over Berlin's plant capability since they want to make it in big numbers to keep its price down, so they contracted Taiwan company (Kymco) to produce it according to BMW specs (yep, the BMWs desgined new G450X engine will be officially "Made in Taiwan"). Rotax is another example of contracting external sources in production, so why not contract KTM that has expanded and modernized its production plant lately or contract with Triumph that also has modernized production plant. Can't see any reasons to stop it if both sides can earn more profit this way :nenau

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Just thought I should point out that the corporate focus for BMW these days is very much focussed on low carbon-emission vehicles. OK this is the car division and the motorrad arm is somewhat maverick. But remember the F800-series were designed primarily with fuel efficiency in mind.

I think you'll find that fuel efficiency is a priority along with many other parameters involved in automotive engineering.
 
Late 60's all 70's early 80's. if you wanted a BM it was a flat twin. 450cc, 500cc, 600cc, 750cc, 800cc, 1000cc. In the 80's along came inline K's four and three cylinders. Then single cylinder with chain drive, then single cylinder with belt drive. Then accross the frame four cylinder, then 800cc paralel twin with belt drive. Now 800cc with chain drive.

650GS has Rotax engine, was built in Italy at Aprillia factory.

The flat twin mould has been broken. A Guzzi V twin doesn't have rocker box clearance problems whilst going round a bend.

How about funny front end, diesel engine and two wheel hydraulic drive.

BM car signature engine was straight six, now four cylinder, six cylinder, V eight, V 10, V12. and diesels plus engine's sourced from Toyota
 
Honda can do it though

See from this mornings MCN that Honda claim to meet 2009 emissions with an aircooled 1100. Motor constructed like a side by side pair of vertical twins with common crankcase. Air passages between cyls 2 & 3 and a sort of horizontal air galley under exhaust cam adjacent to exhaust ports to aid cooling. Point is I can't believe that BMW couldn't achieve same or better with the boxer if they had a mind to, particularly as their fuelling expertise seems not to lag behind Honda. There may be some power limitations but surely not significant enough to reduce current power levels except maybe the new HP2, otherwise why would Honda bother?

Suggest we all terminate speculation about early demise of boxor motor, I'll take sensible bets they survive to at least 2012
 
Late 60's all 70's early 80's. if you wanted a BM it was a flat twin. 450cc, 500cc, 600cc, 750cc, 800cc, 1000cc. In the 80's along came inline K's four and three cylinders. Then single cylinder with chain drive, then single cylinder with belt drive. Then accross the frame four cylinder, then 800cc paralel twin with belt drive. Now 800cc with chain drive.

650GS has Rotax engine, was built in Italy at Aprillia factory.

The flat twin mould has been broken. A Guzzi V twin doesn't have rocker box clearance problems whilst going round a bend.

How about funny front end, diesel engine and two wheel hydraulic drive.

BM car signature engine was straight six, now four cylinder, six cylinder, V eight, V 10, V12. and diesels plus engine's sourced from Toyota

NO no no no no it is still the six with the cars - anything else just isn't right:blast (oh and it belongs on a 5 series ) and it'll always be the boxer for the bikes!
 
It'll never happen

Don't forget, BMW tried to kill the boxer before and it just didn't happen, the punters went ape. there's no way they'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg either. I have no doubt that BMW will find a way to make the air cooled boxer comply.
 
Don't forget, BMW tried to kill the boxer before and it just didn't happen, the punters went ape. there's no way they'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg either. I have no doubt that BMW will find a way to make the air cooled boxer comply.


ABSOLUTELY!!:bow
 
Don't forget, BMW tried to kill the boxer before and it just didn't happen, the punters went ape. there's no way they'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg either. I have no doubt that BMW will find a way to make the air cooled boxer comply.

Dear forum members. Believe me that BMW isn't in the need of finding a way or seeking solutions for this specific issue. With the incredible R&D budget they have, I'm pretty sure they have various types of future boxer engine layouts waiting eagerly and in anticipation on a shelf in Bavaria. Once emission/consumption standards reach a level that cannot be dismissed anymore, they will pull them out in the field and make the costly changes to the assembly line. BMW has upgraded a wide range of automobiles this way, ahead of some competitors, through the efficient dynamics program. They didn't do this because the badly wanted to, but improved engines have been shelved for some time and needed a release at some point before coming obsolete. A company like that is constantly in anticipation of competition and regulation. It would be wrong to assume that what brochures have to offer, is the very latest technology has to show. The boxer is here to stay, for now.... :rob
 
Don't forget, BMW tried to kill the boxer before and it just didn't happen, the punters went ape. there's no way they'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg either. I have no doubt that BMW will find a way to make the air cooled boxer comply.

ABSOLUTELY!!:bow

ve have vays :mmmm

Dear forum members. Believe me that BMW isn't in the need of finding a way or seeking solutions for this specific issue. With the incredible R&D budget they have, I'm pretty sure they have various types of future boxer engine layouts waiting eagerly and in anticipation on a shelf in Bavaria. Once emission/consumption standards reach a level that cannot be dismissed anymore, they will pull them out in the field and make the costly changes to the assembly line. BMW has upgraded a wide range of automobiles this way, ahead of some competitors, through the efficient dynamics program. They didn't do this because the badly wanted to, but improved engines have been shelved for some time and needed a release at some point before coming obsolete. A company like that is constantly in anticipation of competition and regulation. It would be wrong to assume that what brochures have to offer, is the very latest technology has to show. The boxer is here to stay, for now.... :rob

Nothing like a bit of blind faith in the all conquering BMW!!
 
HP2 SPORT

Peter Muller,

BMW Motorrads Executive Vice President, and head of develoment and model lines, commented about the HP2 SPORT.

Still only about 140bhp, we are limited with our airflow, so for example its hard to add a second injector per cylinder.

Its not the durabilty of the bike thats an issue, but simply the limitations of the Boxer design in terms of outright engine performance.

February Motorcycle Sport & Leisure.
 
Bin riding

Dont know whether you have read all the thread, but the topic is not BHP. Rather suitability for BM to carry on making the Boxer engine, which is much loved by the pipe smoking, slipper wearing, luddites who are so prevalent on this forum:D

Everything moves on thats why when you fly its usually by jet and not a
bi-plane. Its called progress.

As BHP has been mentioned, after 70 years of producing the Boxer engine its finally reached 140BHP as a race engine. Look at across the frame k range new engine. Starting BHP 170.

If a new twin cylinder engine is/was or has been designed for a new range of bikes. Starting BHP would be minimum 150 with a lot of easy years developement in it.

People will harp on about it not being a proper BM.

We have had 650 GS with rotax engine made by Aprillia in Italy. Now 800GS with Rotax engine made in Hungary by Rumanian workers. (I wonder which coutry makes the BM roundel badge?:o) Like it or not the Boxer twin mould has been broken.
 
Bin riding

We have had 650 GS with rotax engine made by Aprillia in Italy. Now 800GS with Rotax engine made in Hungary by Rumanian workers. (I wonder which coutry makes the BM roundel badge?:o) Like it or not the Boxer twin mould has been broken.

Yeah, I had an F800ST with a Rotax twin for over a year. I believe Buelll has one too in it's new 1125R. I'm not impressed at all after my experience. Believe me if I say that the boxer will progress further and will stick around for quite some time to come. Nothing like proven technology in this case, and the boxer has been around for a while.
 
Tossers - The definition of: bikers who own the best bikes on the planet who fantasize endlessly about 2009 bikes when 2008 bikes are not even in the showroom.

Why don't you all just get on yur bikes, and enjoy what you have NOW.
 


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