2009 R1200GS

:rob If it weren't for BMW Motorrad, BMW AG would not exist today - their motorcycles and the motorcycle-engined Isettas carried the company through the Fifties until the 114 / E6 / E10 / E12 and E3 series took off in the Sixties.
That may be true but don't over-estimate the value of 'heritage' - BMW have tried in the past to dump the Boxer and will do again if it makes economic sense.

BMW have already moved away from their trademark in-line six, simply because of economics.

That other sports-car brand tried to 'con' the world into accepting the 924/944 and 928s instead of the 911 and the marketing head was quoted as saying that despite their best efforts, their customers continue to order the flat-six aircooled BOXER motor car.
That's not quite what happened. The 924 was a Porsche and VAG joint effort to produce a VW or Audi sports car. VAG then pulled-out and Porsche went ahead with the 924 (and the subsequent models) as their own 'entry level' car. The 928 was always destined to be a Porsche but one intended to appeal to the Americans (big V8 and a boot to take golf bats).

They had no option but to develop the design similarly to BMW and went oil-cooled and watercooled to meet the EU noise control measures.
Yep and that's the problem for BMW. They may well be able to water-cool the Boxer-Twin but will it be a practical motorcycle application?

I don't see the current economic melt-down forcing manufacturers out of business because they can't make emission targets...or am I stupid?
Not stupid just missing the point. The EU has had new noise emission regulations on the way for a long time. Long enough to allow manufacturers to plan and develop products to meet them when they are put in place.

R&D is expensive but it's been going on (with regard to the new regulations) long enough for it to have passed the point of no return where there'd be a greater loss to the manufacturer to drop the project than to continue into production and recoup the costs.

It may be possible that manufacturers, such as BMW, who have engines in current production, will use the economic downturn to argue that the new reg's introduction is postponed to a better economic time in the future but the EU is not renowned for U-turns. Few European manufacturers will be affected by the changes, I doubt that there will be a strong lobby against the introduction.

I happened to be in my local dealership yesterday, at a guess, I'd say that of their new stock on display, less than 25% were Boxer engined. A few years ago that would have been nearer 75%.
 
I have worked on prototype projects for one of Europes biggest can makers, I can assure you their budget for R & D is staggering. The time it takes from drawing board to production has shortened massively in recent years. It used to take 5 years now it's less than 2.

The cost of pre production parts are frightening. i.e a set of tail lamps cost £300 per set. On the 206 SW these were changed 16 times. Once in production Peugeot paid less than £9 per unit. That's why if look across model ranges of cars the window switches are all the same. Less unique parts = big savings.

The worlds motor manufactures share engines and drive trains.

Peugeot and Ford share their diesel engines
Peugeot and MINI share engines
Peufeot and Toyota make cars together (107/C1/ Toyota Aygo made in shme factory.
etc etc etc

My point (I got there eventually lol) is that in this climate BMW won't worry about upstting a few of their customers by sticking a KTM engine in their bikes, for every boxer customer they lose will be replaced by someone who likes a GS but hates the idea of an old fashioned engine. I am new to BMW ownership, from my perspective I don't care what sort of engine it is, all i'm interested in is how it rides, how reliable it is, power, economy and character. The GSA ticks all those boxes.

Anyway.......why are they still developing petrol engines? What about electric or maybe a hydrogen fuel cell? Sooner we get rid of oil dependency the sooner we will have peace on this planet.:)
 
My money would be on a 1200 triple - an 800 with another cylinder ?

The tripple engine is the best part of Triumphs without a doubt, plenty of go, good economy etc. and narrow.

The Triumph is fairly low tech with regards to weight etc. but I could see BM working a bit of magic on the configuration
 


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