2009 R1200GSAdv - EWS Feck

[Sharpey]

Hi

Just needed somewhere to moan. Just got my bike back on the road after a long period off it. Had a full service done and all things checked over and dealt with at Church Stretton Motorcycles. Included new battery, oil changes, etc. Noted that head gasket will need doing soon, so keep topped up with oil and see about shelling out to get that sorted in the winter.

Got on it yesterday morning to run an errand in Oswestry. Got 10yard up the road and total loss of power. Yellow triangle and EWS! on display. Try to start again, but headlight comes on and no gear indicated, bit of usual start up routine - trying to remember what it usually sounds like when ignition turned on - but will not start.

Had a look on here to see what it might mean. Added more swear words to those used when pushing the bike back home. Tried spare keys, wiggling wires to ignition antenna thingie, pray, begging, etc., all no joy. Might try to get a new ignition antenna just to confirm it’s not that, but headlamp and gear indicator indicates A Very Big Problem. Don’t have a garage to keep it dry if I tried to take it to bits myself…

So now I have a big lump of useless bike looking at me, while I figure out where to take it to get the bad news confirmed. Second mortgage application under way.

 

[Santa-2512]

Fret ye not my friend.

EWS as you've rightly found is the ring antenna,

cost id relatively cheap if it is that thats failed. - £40 odd if i recall


Chances are is a broken wire in the head stock area of the loom

Ways to diagnose -

Turn handle bars to full LH lock turn on ignition - is EWS displayed on the Kombi Y/N

Turn handle bars to centre position urn on ignition - is EWS displayed on the Kombi Y/N

Turn handle bars to full RH lock turn on ignition - is EWS displayed on the Kombi Y/N

If you get an N to any of the above then it's not the ring antenna, but more a broken wire

If no EWS is displayed, the bike will start

Do a search under here for a thread i started called it dead again or similar and you will see the culprit

Worst off, it's going to be half a day to a days work, to strip the plastics & tank off, and peel back the loom tape from the EWS back find fault and repair

Mine was a broken wire at the loom branch where it went through a clipping point

 

[Sharpey]

@Santa-2512 Many thanks - I did see your thread - very helpful so thanks again. I’ve done your routine (in fact will do it again to be OCD sure) but EWS! etc still there. I will try to swap out the antenna to check it’s not that, but not holding out much hope.

 

[Doofus]

Hi

Just needed somewhere to moan. Just got my bike back on the road after a long period off it. Had a full service done and all things checked over and dealt with at Church Stretton Motorcycles. Included new battery, oil changes, etc. Noted that head gasket will need doing soon, so keep topped up with oil and see about shelling out to get that sorted in the winter.

Got on it yesterday morning to run an errand in Oswestry. Got 10yard up the road and total loss of power. Yellow triangle and EWS! on display. Try to start again, but headlight comes on and no gear indicated, bit of usual start up routine - trying to remember what it usually sounds like when ignition turned on - but will not start.

Had a look on here to see what it might mean. Added more swear words to those used when pushing the bike back home. Tried spare keys, wiggling wires to ignition antenna thingie, pray, begging, etc., all no joy. Might try to get a new ignition antenna just to confirm it’s not that, but headlamp and gear indicator indicates A Very Big Problem. Don’t have a garage to keep it dry if I tried to take it to bits myself…

So now I have a big lump of useless bike looking at me, while I figure out where to take it to get the bad news confirmed. Second mortgage application under way.

Can’t help with ideas, but I think a failed ring antenna would not stop the bike once it was already running (as it would be unsafe to allow the software to do this)

 

[Sharpey]

@Doofus - you're probably right. I shall find out soon enough as the new bit came in this morning's post. Just about to look up the thread on how to get to it, plus check what the Haynes says...

 

[Santa-2512]

Can’t help with ideas, but I think a failed ring antenna would not stop the bike once it was already running (as it would be unsafe to allow the software to do this)

Correct once the bike is running the ring antenna does not do anything until the bike is turned off

 

[Santa-2512]

@Doofus - you're probably right. I shall find out soon enough as the new bit came in this morning's post. Just about to look up the thread on how to get to it, plus check what the Haynes says...

Before you go drilling parts out,

Unplug the connector on the fitted ews and connect it to the new one tape / hold it as close to the original one as possible insert key and turn bike on if you still get EWS it wasn't the ring antenna!

you then need to strip down the loom and go a hunting

 

[Sharpey]

Well, as I feared. It's not the ring antenna. Turning the bars as @Santa-2512's post doesn't change anything. So probably the ECU.

Feck.

And I had only just got it back on the road. And the bike is probably worth not much until this is sorted.

As I said. Fecking Fecked.

 

[abraxas]

Yeah, it is not great, but chin up mate, it is not as bad as it looks.

Santa is correct that it can still be an issue with the wring / loom. Do you have a multi-meter with continuity [beep] functions? If so, head over to F800 section and find one of my threads on the pin-outs for the connectors and Ring Antenna. (I'll try to do that for you after I finish the email. Armed with a couple of pins (as the probes are too fat) and a multimeter, you can find out if there is a break in the loom. A bulb does the same job (if not better, as it adds load to the circuit) , but can be fiddly to work with.

Update: here you go https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/500949-2008-F800GS-EWS-Immobiliser-Fault(s)-Problem-Solving-Help?p=5306488&viewfull=1#post5306488

Of course, it is a different bike, so there is small chance that things would be different. However, BMSK-[p] has the same connectors so the chances are very much that the pinouts are the same. Try it anyways and let us know how you get on.

Good luck mate.

 

[Sharpey]

Before you go drilling parts out,

Unplug the connector on the fitted ews and connect it to the new one tape / hold it as close to the original one as possible insert key and turn bike on if you still get EWS it wasn't the ring antenna!

you then need to strip down the loom and go a hunting

Yep. Done that. Still comes up with “EWS!” so it’s not the ring antenna.

 

[Sharpey]

Yeah, it is not great, but chin up mate, it is not as bad as it looks.
…
Good luck mate.

I don’t have the dry space to do this - don’t have a garage. Plus reading the threads before I did my first post - many thanks to you and everyone by the way - I strongly suspect it’s going to be the ECU. It’s the fact there’s no gear indicated and the headlamp stays on that’s giving me that hunch.

 

[abraxas]

I don’t have the dry space to do this - don’t have a garage. Plus reading the threads before I did my first post - many thanks to you and everyone by the way - I strongly suspect it’s going to be the ECU. It’s the fact there’s no gear indicated and the headlamp stays on that’s giving me that hunch.

Sorry to hear that. The no gear indicator and light on does [usually] mean that the ECU/BMSK-P is not booting up. But that can be due to many things, wiring loom very much included. I know that troubleshooting the loom looks daunting but it can be worth a try as it is the first-step (and the cheapest component to look into), given some nice weather and a drive to work on. Alternatively, you can ask a sparky to do this for you, but likely going to be quite expensive and involves transporting the bike.

If you have tried everything else, you can give MotorWorks a call and see if they have an ECU+Key+lock(s) for a compatible bike. It comes up with issues of its own but would get you moving. ebay is also a good source, but buying ECUs is probably an expensive way to troubleshoot. I'd offer to help you with tools / experience if you were closer, but you are a bit too far away from me... sorry.

Keep us posted on your progress/thoughts. Happy to help if I can be of any use at all.

 

[Santa-2512]

iIf you give me a bit of time i can give you the pins outs for the EWS from the ECU

Its not a difficult job, i did mine on the patio one Saturday,

Stripping the parts is the hardest bit -

You need to remove

Tank Panels, Tank, Screen & headlight

Unplug the EWS and free the loom off if possible right back to the first big branch on the loom,

Then its just a matter of unwrapping the loom checking for frayed or broken wires,

I was lucky and there was enough flex to give me an ok condition on full LH lock.

Stripping the tape wrapping & re wrapping is the most time consuming part

When i found the breaks ! breaks being the key word i just cut out the broken wire and soldered a new section in.