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[Giles]

is it not only halved if you are traveling at exactly the same speed as the approaching vehicle?

It's a bench mark idea .. i'm not prescriptive about it, it's simply a case that if you find yourself on a road that's narrow and two vehicles wouldn't be able to pass, have in the back of your mind that your road block may well be coming at you. Yes it could be missus Miggins, or it could be the local boy racer in his souped up Corsa .. !

 

[XPilot]

I wasn't thinking of your post in particular , more that of others who had posted , it was just Sea Dog quoted yours . Please also remember that it's hard to interpret the tone or the inflection of some posts when merely reading the worsds as opposed to hearing them spoken by the author. IMO It was not so much an unreasonable reply as much as a reasonable observation of some of the posts on the thread

Good enough for me - I reacted a bit as it was, as you said, a direct reply to one of my posts. The pub would certainly be a better place for discussions such as these

 

[trebor]

First lasts three years unless they've changed that fairly recently. As a Class One you get auto-membership, but if you're taking a test and get given a First, it's only yours for three years...

Not worth an argument but I'm reliably told you're wrong

I think this may have changed in the last couple of years or so. If you look at the F1RST Register in the IAM website it shows an expiry date. I'm fairly sure that when it was first introduced this date was 3 years after the test, I remember checking it for the first of our members that got a F1RST. Whilst the register still shows an "expires" date, it would now appear to be the date that the persons IAM membership expires so, assuming you keep renewing your membership, your F1RST will not expire.

 

[King Rat]

Correct - words the wrong way around. Fat finger syndrome. Could have been my ESA though..

ESA?
Extra Sexy Appearance?
Economic Surfeit Acquired?
Extra Sensory Avoidance? - GS1200s could do with some of that, it came as standard on the 1150 and was improved on the Xcountry.

 

[Warlord]

It's a bench mark idea .. i'm not prescriptive about it, it's simply a case that if you find yourself on a road that's narrow and two vehicles wouldn't be able to pass, have in the back of your mind that your road block may well be coming at you. Yes it could be missus Miggins, or it could be the local boy racer in his souped up Corsa .. !

.... or two idiot local farm lads on a quad bike with no helmets, flat out !

.... or another local idiot on a suicide run, because his son recently died and he wasn't coping to well. He actually passed me at speed with locked brakes and skid marks through the hedge.

I have deep respect for country lane single tracks (having lived at the end of a 2 mile one)

... and don't get me started on pheasants, pigeons, squirrels, dogs, tractors, badgers, hedgehogs, horses, hunting packs, cows, sheep, lambs, chickens, cyclists, walkers, cats, foxes, horse poo, field mud, flooding, pot holes, grit, gravel, trailers that cannot reverse (well so can't I conversations), drunk drivers, speeding, broken branches in road, potato & apple spillages, dropped hay bales, badly parked broken down vehicles, closed road Diversions to nowhere, black ice, no phone signal, no recovery, no taxi, nothing.....

Also remember, unless you have video footage to prove you were STATIONARY before impact, Insurance 'knock for knock' applies. So you get a nice 'at fault' claim to share with your new crash friend. Bang goes your no-claims bonus, and get your Credit Card out for that nice fat Compulsory and Voluntary Excess payment you agreed to before repairs can start.

Even if you have protected no-claims, upon renewal your premiums WILL go up significantly, as an at-fault claim will be registered against you, regardless.

Fear the single track...

 

[MikeO]

I think this may have changed in the last couple of years or so. If you look at the F1RST Register in the IAM website it shows an expiry date. I'm fairly sure that when it was first introduced this date was 3 years after the test, I remember checking it for the first of our members that got a F1RST. Whilst the register still shows an "expires" date, it would now appear to be the date that the persons IAM membership expires so, assuming you keep renewing your membership, your F1RST will not expire.

Thanks for the clarification. I think that just destroys the value of the First as a concept. The whole idea was to give motivated candidates something to aim for and keep up (similar to the RoSPA passes). Now its just something saying you did it once - not that you can still ride to that level. Shame, really...

 

[Warlord]

Thanks for the clarification. I think that just destroys the value of the First as a concept. The whole idea was to give motivated candidates something to aim for and keep up (similar to the RoSPA passes). Now its just something saying you did it once - not that you can still ride to that level. Shame, really...

Thats just another level called 'Masters'

Ridiculous Hierarchy

It's like the two groups are always trying to outbid each other in status levels.

Associate
Bronze
Silver
Gold
Pass
First
Masters
Observer

 

[Godzilla]

Its not just plucked out the air, its a well known quoted statement.

Have you passed your riding test yet?

Google it, it's not a mystery

I know lots of quoted statements that are not true.
Yes, passed lots of them, including an advanced and I am also an observer. Have you?
You quote a fact, its generally up to that person to provide proof. Im sure you can use google also.

Edited for clarification

 

[thumperbob2002]

Thats just another level called 'Masters'

Ridiculous Hierarchy

It's like the two groups are always trying to outbid each other in status levels.

Associate
Bronze
Silver
Gold
Pass
First
Masters
Observer

Think you might have got things a bit mixed up there. I'm not going to open up the rospa/ iam can of worms but most observers would not be able to pass a masters let alone achieve a distinction.

 

[Spider]

"Advanced Observer"... which organisation has those please?

 

[PDiddy]

Think you might have got things a bit mixed up there. I'm not going to open up the rospa/ iam can of worms but most observers would not be able to pass a masters let alone achieve a distinction.

Most?? You're probably right unless they get the additional training .... The IAM initial training and test have been dumbed down far too much, and a lot that you are expected to do for your Masters is actively discouraged, with the complete opposite being the case with RoSPA. The initial IAM test ensures that you are a safe rider, rather than a progressive rider. This is my own personal view through experience of both camps.

 

[Godzilla]

"Advanced Observer"... which organisation has those please?

Just my poor use of English. Sorry

 

[UturnTony]

Thats just another level called 'Masters'

Ridiculous Hierarchy

It's like the two groups are always trying to outbid each other in status levels.

Associate
Bronze
Silver
Gold
Pass
First
Masters
Observer

I know lots of quoted statements that are not true.
Yes, passed lots of them and and advanced observer. Have you?
You quote a fact, its generally up to that person to provide proof. Im sure you can use google also.

Most?? You're probably right unless they get the additional training .... The IAM initial training and test have been dumbed down far too much, and a lot that you are expected to do for your Masters is actively discouraged, with the complete opposite being the case with RoSPA. The initial IAM test ensures that you are a safe rider, rather than a progressive rider. This is my own personal view through experience of both camps.

I really don't get it

Even if i had an interest in doing any of it, i think these posts alone, (there are plenty of others on this thread) would see me shaking my head and saying to myself, naah, leave it.

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, i think the availability of training is a really good thing but, as usual with these kind of things it's fecked up and taken too damn far by a certain kind of people and turned
into a pissing contest where there is a perception that one person's badge has higher status than another person's badge FFS

Carry on pissing

 

[Godzilla]

I really don't get it

Even if i had an interest in doing any of it, i think these posts alone, (there are plenty of others on this thread) would see me shaking my head and saying to myself, naah, leave it.

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, i think the availability of training is a really good thing but, as usual with these kind of things it's fecked up and taken too damn far by a certain kind of people and turned
into a pissing contest where there is a perception that one person's badge has higher status than another person's badge FFS

Carry on pissing

I agree, I wouldn't have mentioned anything if I hadn't been directly asked. As it happens I think the standard of riding of some members of the group I belong to is less than good, poor even.
IMHO if any sort of training or additional qualification helps people enjoy their riding more and be safer then it is worthwhile.

 

[jimbo]

Thats just another level called 'Masters'

Ridiculous Hierarchy

It's like the two groups are always trying to outbid each other in status levels.

Associate
Bronze
Silver
Gold
Pass
First
Masters
Observer

At the risk of being an IAM bore (I don't know about RoSPA)

associates haven't passed anything and are training to take the IAM test

The IAM test can be failed, passed, or awarded a FIRST
THE IAM Masters can be failed, passed, or awarded a Distinction

Observing is slightly different and is as much about coaching and training skills as the actual ride.

 

[Nutty]

I really don't get it

Even if i had an interest in doing any of it, i think these posts alone, (there are plenty of others on this thread) would see me shaking my head and saying to myself, naah, leave it.

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, i think the availability of training is a really good thing but, as usual with these kind of things it's fecked up and taken too damn far by a certain kind of people and turned
into a pissing contest where there is a perception that one person's badge has higher status than another person's badge FFS

Carry on pissing

Well said.

 

[Blackal]

I really don't get it

Even if i had an interest in doing any of it, i think these posts alone, (there are plenty of others on this thread) would see me shaking my head and saying to myself, naah, leave it.

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, i think the availability of training is a really good thing but, as usual with these kind of things it's fecked up and taken too damn far by a certain kind of people and turned
into a pissing contest where there is a perception that one person's badge has higher status than another person's badge FFS

Carry on pissing

Been thinking the same myself. Wouldn't want to be stuck in the corner in the pub with them..............

Al

 

[richardbd]

I really don't get it

Even if i had an interest in doing any of it, i think these posts alone, (there are plenty of others on this thread) would see me shaking my head and saying to myself, naah, leave it.

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, i think the availability of training is a really good thing but, as usual with these kind of things it's fecked up and taken too damn far by a certain kind of people and turned
into a pissing contest where there is a perception that one person's badge has higher status than another person's badge FFS

Carry on pissing

I agree with quite a lot of this. That said, I have yet to meet an un-coached rider, no matter how experienced or how "quick" that wouldn't have benefited from some decent advanced training - no matter what the source.

For too many the lack of training itself becomes a point of principle and/or a badge of honour.

Just saying like...

 

[Warlord]

At the risk of being an IAM bore (I don't know about RoSPA)

associates haven't passed anything and are training to take the IAM test

Yes they have. They've passed their Motorcycle Test. They can then become an Associate.

Some of these people ride very well at this point. Better than a lot of born again bikers.

 

[Mr Bean]

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

I went the RoSPA route. I joined the nearest club and was a few months later assigned a tutor.

I've only been to the club on one night and that's it - too much politics for me.

I continued my training with my (excellent) tutor until test ready.

You can be involved with the 'club' scene as much as you want.

I have attended a couple of social events with her as a way of showing my support and thanks, but that's it.