Another WC test ride - Underwhelmed

Maybe it's your specs, didn't you mention over the weekend you can no longer read your own instruments or sat nav ;)
With familiarisation I guess many of us know at glance by the direction of the needles what the dials are telling us :rob

Touratech will be bringing out prescription gauges soon no doubt. :D
 
Maybe it's your specs, didn't you mention over the weekend you can no longer read your own instruments or sat nav ;)
With familiarisation I guess many of us know at glance by the direction of the needles what the dials are telling us :rob

oh it's definitely me, and most blokes of a similar age. that's my point. anyhow, i've been reading my speedo by the direction of the needle for a couple of years, but it don't work with all the digi-mithering :)

booked another eye test today. bring on the bifocals :thumb2
 
oh it's definitely me, and most blokes of a similar age. that's my point. anyhow, i've been reading my speedo by the direction of the needle for a couple of years, but it don't work with all the digi-mithering :)

booked another eye test today. bring on the bifocals :thumb2

Varifocals Sort it once that you get used to them :D
 
Varifocals Sort it once that you get used to them :D

Absolutely no way,anyone who rides a bike and wishes to get the best from a pair of glasses must go for Bi-Focals.

Even the very best Vario-Focals have a prescription area of less than 50% of the lens.Bi-focals use 100% of the lens.

Any optician worth their salt will tell you that the only reason to choose Vario Focals over Bi Focals is vanity.

Steve
 
Absolutely no way,anyone who rides a bike and wishes to get the best from a pair of glasses must go for Bi-Focals.

Even the very best Vario-Focals have a prescription area of less than 50% of the lens.Bi-focals use 100% of the lens.

Any optician worth their salt will tell you that the only reason to choose Vario Focals over Bi Focals is vanity.

Steve

Wish i knew that:blast where were you when I ordered mine:nenau
 
Absolutely no way,anyone who rides a bike and wishes to get the best from a pair of glasses must go for Bi-Focals.

Even the very best Vario-Focals have a prescription area of less than 50% of the lens.Bi-focals use 100% of the lens.

Any optician worth their salt will tell you that the only reason to choose Vario Focals over Bi Focals is vanity.

Steve

You may be an optition, I don't know, but what a load of tosh. Or there's no optition I've ever seen that are worth their salt and certainly none has ever said I should get vario-focals to make myself prettier (which would be mission immpossible). :kissy2
 
You may be an optition, I don't know, but what a load of tosh. Or there's no optition I've ever seen that are worth their salt and certainly none has ever said I should get vario-focals to make myself prettier (which would be mission immpossible). :kissy2

Optician :D
 
You may be an optition, I don't know, but what a load of tosh. Or there's no optition I've ever seen that are worth their salt and certainly none has ever said I should get vario-focals to make myself prettier (which would be mission immpossible). :kissy2

I'm not an optician but I do like to do my research and what I posted was most certainly not a load of tosh but fact.

The reason I stated vanity, is that if you do your research you will understand that variofocals are made from one piece of glass,bifocals or indeed trifocals are made from separate pieces of glass and therefore have a visible line were the pieces are joined.
It is this line that people tend to think is unattractive and therefore will choose the variofocals because they feel it makes them look better in other words vanity.

For what reason would someone pay twice as much money for something that is only half as effective as the cheaper alternative,as I stated in my last post variofocals at best only have 50% of the lens that is prescription and bifocals use 100%, fact.

Sorry for the thread hijack

Steve
 
The reason I stated vanity, is that if you do your research you will understand that variofocals are made from one piece of glass,bifocals or indeed trifocals are made from separate pieces of glass and therefore have a visible line were the pieces are joined.
It is this line that people tend to think is unattractive and therefore will choose the variofocals because they feel it makes them look better in other words vanity.

As you've done your research properly, you'll have found that the main reason people do not like bi-focals is because of the very line in the glasses you mention, or the lens within the lens. To say people pay more for vanity is your assumption and has nothing to do with factual research. :1/10


Sorry, what were we originally talking about ?
 
Good review by the OP...:thumby:

It more or less echoes my thoughts when i took the TE WC out for a couple of hours recently.

The freer revving engine did have good mid-range thrust and top end speed.
But i have no intention of trading my fully sorted GSA (Wilbers and de-cated..etc..) just for a bit more HP.

Its a good bike, but not the quantum leap forward it promised to be.

However, i wont discount looking at the WC GSA when/if its launched.:thumby:

:Motomartin
 
Fuck !!


Well, I've just come back from a test ride so here's my tuppence worth!

Reviews are often a complete lottery. Look at some of the comments on tyres for instance. Some peepes get 4k, others get 12 k out of a rear. So trying to decipher different reviews on a forum full of strangers should be done, (read) with an open mind.

Today I went to Coopers in Kent, and have to say that I deliberately really zoned in on my bike on the way there (went with a work colleague, so we had a bit of a play on the way..) so that I could compare it with my test ride. I've got a GSA, it's been hilltopped, has a quick action throttle to get rid of that long throttle action that the GS's have, and it's on pure road rubber. I'm pretty happy with it, but I miss that speed rush. It's a great bike and it ticks nearly all the right boxes for me. It's just not quite sporty enough. But hey ho. it's what yer do with it that counts!

My test bike was a white GS. It had 1,500 on the clock and was booted with Tourances. After Andres had questioned his demo bike's handling, I had a good look at the tyres.The rear was just on the turn of loosing it's profile - a hint of a shoulder on the back. So Andres - with 3K on your demo bike, I reckon your rear was maybe a bit squared off. If you think about it, what's the mindset of the average test rider? It's probably something like ..''It's not my bike, it's a new model, I want to see how quickly it goes, but I don't want to crash and loose my £1,000 excess. I'm most likely going to bin it on a bend so I'll hoon in a straight line and take it easy in the corners''. Demo bikes will probably get squared off rear tyres pretty quickly :thumb2



I had a quick play with controls before we set off, I don't especially like all the day light through the top of the fork legs! It sounds really petty, but as I look down at the dash, I see all the wiring and the back of the headlight, top of the forks, inside of the panels ... I think some little filler panel / toilet seat would have looked better. Touratwat are you listening?!

Some peepes have said they didn't like the indicator switch. Well, I nigh on deliberately tried to break it! It's fine. yes it doesn't have that clunk, click that we like about the traditional BM indicators, but it ain't going to break. The actual toggle has clearly been designed to have a bit of play in it. But I don't see it as particularly vulnerable. I like the look of the bike, but I wouldn't want to take it off road! Like the Multistrada, one simple drop is going to hurt your wallet.



There are plenty of hoses and panels that get damaged pretty easily.

So I see this model, in this guise (no crash bars) as pretty much a road going bike only.

The manually adjustable screen is pretty well thought out - Simple things like putting the adjuster 'tap' on the right hand side, so that your left hand can easily turn it (whilst still holding a throttle with yer right) make those little touches of common sense really stick out. Nice. The seat height adjustment is a doddle (the last bloke was clearly under 5'10'' :P) and simply by flicking over the little dumbell set up, the seat was sorted out in a jiffy.

Starting it up, the very first thing that hit me was how freely it revved. The controls have a wonderful lightness of touch about them - the clutch was beautifully light - if you were going to play off road, swap this lever for a short stubby two finger job, and hey presto - wonderful light modulation of clutch control. The brakes were pretty much as you'd expect - still class leaders in my opinion, and certainly knocking the old KTM 990's into a cocked hat. (Haven't tried the new 1190 yest..).

The motor made a nice sound, and the gearbox, was again, light and very easy to use.

Out on the road, (don't forget I'm coming from an - albeit sorted - GSA), I though this bike was bloody brilliant. It revs so freely, the motor is now a complete delight. For thirty five / forty minutes it's had a serious hoon on gnarly back roads, third gear wheelies over little rises in the road :rolleyes: and has generally been ... errrr .... well thrashed basically :D

I loved it :thumb Whilst on the faster, longer, sweeping bends, I found myself still getting to the inside of the bike (that crooked inside elbow ... bike more upright than me ..) back into sports bike territory, I also found myself super motoing the bike through faster flick flack stuff. Grip the tank with yer knees and push it down underneath you. What a hoot! On a back road B road, this bike is now rubbing shoulders with the Multistradas of the world. (Which I've also test ridden).
The power delivery is now enough to get the front twitchy if you push it. A couple of times it's given me the little odd little head shake - not because there's a problem with the steering, but simply because it's now able to lift the front or at least get it very light, off the gas. So all these stories of wild tank slappers by journos - yeah they probably did have the odd moment. That aint difficult if you're putting your front back down off a crested corner.

Running back in I deliberately sat at 80 on the dual carriage way. At about 4, 600 revs it would quite happily sit there all day. At 90 though, it's just beginning to get a bit too windy and buzzy to make Calais to Troyes in the sort of complete relaxed touring mode that say a Kwak GTR would give you. (But that wouldn't be comparing like for like).

So yes, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Now then .... :D Here is the burning question. Is it better ?? :D

:nenau Who are you the reader?! Are you me, are you Timolgra, are you GS or Bust?? What does a GS mean to you??

When the older, 'been GS'ing for the last 15 years before it became popular' lot talk of their beloved 11**'s, I've got to be honest (Fuck I hate to sit on the same side of the fence as that lot .. :D) but I know exactly where they're coming from. I can't describe it, I can't put it in to words, but I get and also feel, the very GS thang that they get. (yes even on a 1200!)

That feeling is, I think, completely unique to the GS. Triumph, Ducati, Guzzi .. they quite simply can't replicate that heart beat and that chacter. The BM twin has it own very unique soul. But for me, as much as I love my TC 1200 GSA, Arrgghhhhh .. I just want it to be a tad more spritely. I want rush. I still want that soul, that BM je ne sais quoi, but I would love to have that sports bike kick in the nuts every now and then, that squirrily front end sports bike delivery. Not always .. just now and then.

Does the new GS do that for me? Yeah, pretty much :D It's never going to be seriously 1198 quick, but now here is a bike that is somewhere between a Multistrada and a 990.

Will that suit everybody?? The danger that BM are flirting with, is loosing that uniqueness that the 11** boys bang on about. They eroded it a tad with the 1200, and now they're taking it a stage further with the WC.

Have they gone too far? I don't think so - but I think they're right on the cusp of Gs'ness! This bike isn't so stately as mine, it's a bit cocky, it's a black sheep of the family, but it is still family - just. Will the Timolgra's of the world hate it? yeah, probably. But that's no slur on them - for all the piss taking, I genuinely do understand them and the drum they bang :thumb2


I rode home on my GSA and again, got in the zone trying to really compare the two bikes. And yer know what? that is a feckin' good bike. Three figure speeds pushing 230KGs down a b road? It will still murder a sports bike on the right road. It's planted, it's chocolate smooth (thank you hilltop) and it is still a bloody good bike. I put it back in my garage, and thanked it for all the fantastic trips it had given me over the last three years - from two up all round Europe, to the dusty trails in the Pyrenees. I'll miss you Brunhilda :tears



I'll be picking up a new GS over the next couple of weeks :thumb2

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Well-written Giles, sounds like you enjoyed the bike. I'm guessing the test bike didn't feature the ESA, would have been interested in your views on the riding modes.




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Well-written Giles, sounds like you enjoyed the bike. I'm guessing the test bike didn't feature the ESA, would have been interested in your views on the riding modes.




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Sorry - yes ..... I didn't bother with Rain mode, and did the first ten minutes or so on the three quarter house that is 'Road' mode.

Rode mode is still nice and brisk. And I tell you where I'd use it (a lot..) - with her indoors on the back. Road mode isn't slower as such, but it's smoother. The throttle response (bearing in mind it's fly by wire) is naturally quite instant. So in road mode, the change in computer trickery made it just a tad softer - away from the lights wasn't quite the light switch that 'dynamic' mode is.

In 'Dynamic' mode, on my own, the point, squirt, brake .. tip it in hoon was good fun, but I can see that the instant on/off throttle would drive yer nuts if you weren't in the mood. (And would definitely drive yer pillion nuts..)

I've often thought that some 'riding mode' gadgetry was a load of old bollox, and that you'd probably set it to what suits and never change it. I definitely see here the real benefits of 'not in the mood' softer road settings (or with yer missus) and 'in the mood' hoon mode. I genuinely can see riders using these options and not just setting it once and never touching it again. :thumb2
 
Sorry - yes ..... I didn't bother with Rain mode, and did the first ten minutes or so on the three quarter house that is 'Road' mode.

Rode mode is still nice and brisk. And I tell you where I'd use it (a lot..) - with her indoors on the back. Road mode isn't slower as such, but it's smoother. The throttle response (bearing in mind it's fly by wire) is naturally quite instant. So in road mode, the change in computer trickery made it just a tad softer - away from the lights wasn't quite the light switch that 'dynamic' mode is.

In 'Dynamic' mode, on my own, the point, squirt, brake .. tip it in hoon was good fun, but I can see that the instant on/off throttle would drive yer nuts if you weren't in the mood. (And would definitely drive yer pillion nuts..)

I've often thought that some 'riding mode' gadgetry was a load of old bollox, and that you'd probably set it to what suits and never change it. I definitely see here the real benefits of 'not in the mood' softer road settings (or with yer missus) and 'in the mood' hoon mode. I genuinely can see riders using these options and not just setting it once and never touching it again. :thumb2

Very nice but what about the ESA . :augie

Nice ride report by the way, having ridden a demo bike for the 2nd time yesterday I agree with most of your findings but will hang on until the ADVENTURE version is announced before considering a swap.
 
While running in I've used road mode and two up and in stop go traffic aka in town I've used rain mode seems to work well to me and her.

I suspect in rain mode fuel con and rear tyre wear would be less. What do you toilet operatives think?
 
Got my test ride next week - really looking forward to it. Gonna have to go some way to convince me away from the cosseted comfort of my RT though. Next year when the LC RT and GSA are out I'm going to have to do a lot hard thinking and comparing.

How do you GS riders get on with the weather protection? Do you get noticeably colder in the winter? Wetter?
 
While running in I've used road mode and two up and in stop go traffic aka in town I've used rain mode seems to work well to me and her.

I suspect in rain mode fuel con and rear tyre wear would be less. What do you toilet operatives think?

Yes Magnon, since I've had mine it's been mostly set on rain mode I put it on road mode yesterday, Didn't really notice any difference, I don't carry passengers, And I've kept the suspension on soft, it suits me,

So perhaps Engineer was right in going for the bog (get it) standard suspension, certainly saves money, who knows though in the summer I may try out the other modes, and turn into a hooligan :blast

Cheers Graham

oh ps, found weather protection very good, the screen is perfect for my height,
 
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