BIKE STOLEN NORTHAMPTON

As you can see its re-enforced with the plate. You cannot see it from the outside. shaft of the bolt goes into concrete.

Not terribly strong but alot of better that the standard garage lock. When I have a new garage door, going to fit one in each bottom corner.

A slightly more rustic approach I had, being in a rented property and all and not wishing to drill the landlord's wood work, I used to loop a strap around inside cross members of the up and over garage door and then around the front wheel of the bike. The bike was effectively the anchor to stop the door being opened, and if they pulled hard enough they'd also pull the bike off the stand. Rustic, as I said, but a friend who I believe had past history of being of the breaking and entry persuasion witnessed this set up and congratulated me on it. But I'm ultimately of the persuasion that if they want it they'll take it; 2 motocross bikes knicked from a fortified garage as a kid convince me of that.
 
Now, bludgeoning someone to death attempting to steal your bike would be unreasonable force.
If however, they had threatened you with (say) a screwdriver, and tried to stab you with it, and you had to defend yourself with the hammer - that would be reasonable.
Your story would be confirmed by the screwdriver clasped in their cold, dead hand. Wouldn't it.

love it!
 
Guys thanks for all the responses, yes the bike was keyless. I guess they wheeled it into a big van and away, they took all my luggage, tank bag, sat nav and old crash helmet.
My panniers were sat on a shelf full of my winter gear and wet weather stuff and top box with gloves moulded earplugs etc. so I'm absolutely cleaned out.
To make things worse I had half my work kit in there such as various battery drills with all sorts of attachments and they took all of that as well :mad:
Insurance don't want to know as it wasn't in the van and house insurance says I'm not covered for stuff in the garage.

To say I'm pissed is an understatement, I would just love to catch hold of the bastards and take a hammer to them.
 
So sorry to hear that.

Awful situation.
 
Really sorry to hear your bad news mate ... I just hope like everyone else here you get it back soonest.
 
Keep an eye out on gumtree and Facebook sale forums in your area. If they are local they will use these sites if breaking it up


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Guys thanks for all the responses, yes the bike was keyless. I guess they wheeled it into a big van and away, they took all my luggage, tank bag, sat nav and old crash helmet.
My panniers were sat on a shelf full of my winter gear and wet weather stuff and top box with gloves moulded earplugs etc. so I'm absolutely cleaned out.
To make things worse I had half my work kit in there such as various battery drills with all sorts of attachments and they took all of that as well :mad:
Insurance don't want to know as it wasn't in the van and house insurance says I'm not covered for stuff in the garage.

To say I'm pissed is an understatement, I would just love to catch hold of the bastards and take a hammer to them.

This is theft on a grand scale, upsetting not so much for the loss of the motorbike (that happens quite regularly and under all sorts of circumstances) but for the loss of all the other items up to and including work tools.

Whilst it easy to maybe criticise insurers for not insuring items and / or not insuring some items under some circumstances, it does highlight the need to check the policies to make sure bods really are buying the cover that suits them best. Too often it's just too easy to buy the cheapest policy and hope to luck, a tactic (as theft on a grand scale is actually quite rare) that works well most of the time but is exposed as useless when it does happen.

Everyone reading this thread should take five minutes to look at their lives and work out if they too are exposed in the same way. It's Saturday morning, do it some time over this weekend, please.

1. Do you have (possibly expensive) motorcycling gear which you keep in your garage, as opposed to in a cupboard, wardrobe or room in your house? I do. Is your garage integral with the house? Mine is. Is theft from your garage covered? Is theft from your garage covered if it is not integral with the house covered? Is theft from a shed covered? Do you keep your gear and maybe your bike in a shed as opposed to a garage? Do your policies treat a shed the same as a garage or differently?

Is your motorcycling gear even properly insured at all or are you relying on that free very limited extension under your dirt cheap Motor policy - sold to you by some call centre chimp, who you didn't listen to as it was boring - which might (if you are very lucky) give you some very limited cover if you are unlucky enough to tumble off your motorbike, which you don't do very often?

2. Tools. Do you have (possibly expensive) tools in your garage, house, shed, work van, under the bed? I do. Are they covered under your policies? If so, how and when? Does your policy cover work or trade tools? Do your policies cover tools at all?

3. Can you even prove that you actually owned any of the items you claim to have lost?

Simple enough questions to ask yourself today, before anything has happened and questions that you and / or your insurers, plural (as several policies might be involved) will be asking after the event.

It is possible to buy good insurance that will cover all / most of the circumstances above. Do most bog standard off the shelf very cheap policies cover all the circumstances? No. Why? It's quite simple. Most policies are sold to the lowest common denominator of bod on the average street and they, quite understandably, want to buy it cheap. So it is sold cheap. Very few bods own motorcycles, the panniers, the expensive gear that goes with motorcycling (like GPS devices, Go-Pro cameras, helmets, clothing, boots) and very few own tools (work or otherwise) beyond a bent screwdriver and a rusty hammer. So, the average cheap policy sold to the average bod works just fine.

But you are not the average bod on the street. You are a biker and you are very different to the average bod on the street as you have all the bells and whistles and maybe more. So buy insurance that best suits you, not your very dull neighbour from two doors down the road in Northampton or Hull or very nice London SW1 or wherever it is you live. Line up all your expensive and extensive items and take photographs of the lot. You take pictures of your bike (some even take pictures of its tyres, for feck's sake) to share with likeminded souls every five minutes, so take half an hour to photograph all that really expensive to replace stuff that might well get stolen and for which you quite understandably no longer have the receipt. Save the pictures somewhere safe and repeat the operation once in a while. Not every five minutes, that is when you photograph your steed, mate. Whist you are at it, look at all the other things you own, like that brand new smart telly you have treated yourself to for £1,500 and the boy's new Mac and SWMBO's eternity ring you spent two months wages on but then forgot to insure at all..... I have been nagging my daughter to insure her £5000 Rolex (bought out of a legacy from her grandfather on his death) for months now, so I know how things get passed over but then regretted later.

Yes, it may cost you more to insure and it may well cost you some shopping around effort to do it properly. But a penny to a pound says that you (just as the OP might now be doing) will wish that you'd spent maybe more to insure your £1000 Ruka suit, your £300 helmet, your two pairs of gloves for winter and summer at £150, the Navigator V £500, your £200 worth of tools (that was just the spanners by the way) that you do (or maybe not) use as a part of your trade, as opposed to just twiddling with at weekends. That very short list came to £2,150 and I didn't even try, so don't forget to add your Go-Pro or your brand new Daytona boots and in-ear monitors, too. In other words, I was well under what you maybe do have piled up and very probably not have insured properly or not insured at all. I wonder if the OP might gladly pay £200 now today, to get his work tools, panniers and winter riding gear back, all paid for by his insurers? I guess, yes. Just as my daughter will wish she'd insured her Rolex she likes so much!

If there is any good to come out of this sorry tale, it's that YOU will not make the same mistakes as the OP.... or will you? The choice as ever is yours. Trust me, they will not chop the hands off the thief if they even catch him. Trust me that bods telling you that they feel sorry for you will not get you any closer to getting your £2,150 paid back, though it might make you feel better. So sort your life out before the shit hits the fan; it could be you next.
 
It's very easy for bods to say, "Well, if I saw three blokes putting stuff in a van, I'd call the police". No you wouldn't; any more than you'll keep a look out for every bike you read about as stolen on these pages and promise to do. I live in central London. I see houses and garages opened up and being emptied - or filled, it's sometimes hard to tell - quite regularly. I bet bods who live in even quite large villages (few people ever really know ALL their neighbours) see the same from time to time and never think anything about it at all. That's theft you may or may not be looking at. If it is, somebody has just lost something and maybe quite a lot. So sort out your protection by all means but do sort out your insurance, it may just save your bacon and next year's holiday.

Think about your trade tools. Many policies exclude theft from unattended vehicles at night, so bods take the tools out and put them in their houses or their garage / shed and go out for the evening on the lash. Their houses get broken into and their dirt cheap Householders policy bought for peanuts from Go Compare excludes trade tools as it's designed for that bloody boring accountant in that very dull office they mended the leaking air conditioning in yesterday, who doesn't even own an adjustable spanner and certainly doesn't own a van, so doesn't need to insure any tools, trade or otherwise.
 
Good advice
Even my camping stuff is specified with NFU Mutual & I'm not really even a camper
My bike gear is specified against theft, loss or damage with the same insurer
My bike and accessories are all specified with CN
Any other large or valuable household items are again specified with NFU Mutual - as are my domestic staff should they have an accident ......or any livestock I happen to have, If they should stray onto the road and damage a neighbours garden or cause a road accident that results in a multi million pound personal injury claim

Over insured is better than underinsured

My house & car/bike insurance isn't the cheapest but it offers pretty detailed and comprehensive cover in my opinion

I get offered cheaper cover at renewal time from all manner of companies like my bank, the post office and others - however once the small print is delved into, compared & contrasted and requests to add in stuff to make it comparable it rarely is any cheaper

In the event of a claim, you never hear about bods complaining they have too much cover - it's usually that they have too little or the wrong sort - because they have overlooked their situation for all the reasons Wapping has clearly pointed out

Comprehension all those years ago at school was a very important subject and it's clear many overlook this vital component of life
 
Spot on, JB

I work on the assumption that I could lose the lot (really, everything I own in the world) in a serious house fire * or much more likely (touch wood) that my integral garage could be broken into and emptied. Cleaned out, all gone as the OP's post maybe shows can happen.

Somebody had a bloody good go at my garage just before Christmas five or six years ago, I slept right through it, as did all my neighbours who are less than 10 yards away in a brightly lit street. The good quality security bolts were the only thing that thwarted them. I'll be the first to confess it was a wake-up call to me; not least the inconvenience of having a badly buggered garage door all the way through the extended Christmas and New Year holidays when the door manufacturers had closed down, so no chance of getting a new one that fitted. My insurer paid for the lot and it was expensive, without a single quibble.

Threads like this remind me not to let myself slip back ever again; hopefully it will prompt bods to have a think about it, too. Too late, when it's gone!


* Not forgetting that I'd probably need somewhere to live for six to nine months whilst my world rebuilt itself.
 
As this thread is now miles off track. I have received a PM asking me for advice. I can't and won't tell anyone what is best for them, not least as everyone is different. Google up as many searches as you can think of, anything from house insurance to insure my tools (be careful what you type) to can I insure my helmet? Again, take care! There are some pretty good sites out there, I promise and plenty that are shite; just use your common sense, it's why you ride a motorbike.

As to valuation? Link this to the photographs you take. Not least photographs are pretty reliable proof for anyone and have an add up as you go along. A surf around the net will then tell you if it's £5 or £1000 to replace your bedside cupboard, new for old. Some policies simple state that contents will be indemnified (paid out) and valued just as percentage of your buildings value. Simple and great, mate.... but not if you own lots of say expensive camera gear, that exceed the maximum sum any one item; anyway what is one item? The camera body, the lens, the lens and camera body together? I don't know, so ask your insurer if you are ever in any way unsure. You do not need to be an ace snapper, just a decent enough picture to act as proof and remind you when the fire brigade has gone that you really did own five or more motorcycle suits. Do all the rooms (open the cupboards) and the garage in a general shot or two each and anything that you particularly value in a picture of its own, along with any valuation papers you might have if it's particularly unusual or valuable. That includes all your tools. A decent socket set alone is definitely north of £60 and Snap-On well north of that number. Don't forget you might be dealing with people who (though keen to pay you, no matter what bods bleat on about) have never turned a spanner in their lives or even been to Halfords. Having the tools out to photograph will also give you the chance to do that tidying-up you'very been promising yourself. It will be a good manly use of your time and save you watching Come Dancing with the wife.

I own lots of Hermes ties, so I have done these in one standalone picture, only because some dull loss adjuster from Penge might just wonder if I really did have 15. I can prove it. That would be close on £2000 alone on a new for old basis, should the lot go up in a fire, be stolen or be ruined in an unlucky burst pipe disaster. Similarly, I just hung up seven work suits and snapped them all together. Eight pairs of work shoes, the same. In short, take pictures that will be useful to you. Save them on the cloud or give a memory stick to your mum, whatever method you find easiest. Whatever you do, don't just leave them on your PC, phone or camera as that lot will have gone up in flames, been flooded or been nicked, so will be about as useful to you as tits on a bull.

Last of all READ the proposal form or questionnaire that comes with the application for insurance and READ the policy; most are now so incredibly simply set out that even a chimp could do it. Many items do not need to be specified on a schedule, they are just lumped together which is good. But read about how some are only insured in the house and not when they are taken out. Read about sheds and garages. Read about what is sometimes deemed to be part of a house's fixture and fittings and how these might differ from contents or possessions. Read what is deemed to be part of a vehicle and what isn't. Understand what is 'All Risks' and more importantly what isn't. Read what 'accidental damage' is and work out for yourself if the modest additional premium is worth paying as and when you next stick your ladder through your brand new expensive very large triple glazed window by accident.
 
All joking apart, it's frightening when you add it up. I have at least 50 maps in the loft at a fiver each.... £250 just for that lot if they turned to ash. I would want to replace them. Say 40 (maybe more) assorted, German, French, Italian and Spanish motorbike travel books collected over 15 or more years which have to come from abroad, say £20 each new so £800 when they go in the same fire. Over a grand and all on nothing that might be deemed as 'essential', so far. The books are in the same room as my Mac computer, well over a grand.... my lap top is usually there too, £800 and two Nav V's at £500 a pop... Thank feck I don't own any jewellery, too.....
 
Security

Firstly, sad news, scumbags abound and I have little sympathy with anyone caught and being dealt with by the victim.

I made a decision some years ago that due to my increased age and my concerns for our safety we had a monitored alarm system fitted by Direct Response Security now called Rancom. Professional job, fitted in a morning and included were a wireless alarm to my garage at the bottom of our garden. It has proved very effective as it is monitored 24/7 with phone contact if anything goes off. When I enter the garage at any time the alarm sounds in the house and when set for instance, it goes straight to Control. Its about £30 a month, little outlay IMHO for a monitored service. Nothing to do with the company, just an impressed user.
 
As this thread is now miles off track. I have received a PM asking me for advice. I can't and won't tell anyone what is best for them, not least as everyone is different. Google up as many searches as you can think of, anything from house insurance to insure my tools (be careful what you type) to can I insure my helmet? Again, take care! There are some pretty good sites out there, I promise and plenty that are shite; just use your common sense, it's why you ride a motorbike.

As to valuation? Link this to the photographs you take. Not least photographs are pretty reliable proof for anyone and have an add up as you go along. A surf around the net will then tell you if it's £5 or £1000 to replace your bedside cupboard, new for old. Some policies simple state that contents will be indemnified (paid out) and valued just as percentage of your buildings value. Simple and great, mate.... but not if you own lots of say expensive camera gear, that exceed the maximum sum any one item; anyway what is one item? The camera body, the lens, the lens and camera body together? I don't know, so ask your insurer if you are ever in any way unsure. You do not need to be an ace snapper, just a decent enough picture to act as proof and remind you when the fire brigade has gone that you really did own five or more motorcycle suits. Do all the rooms (open the cupboards) and the garage in a general shot or two each and anything that you particularly value in a picture of its own, along with any valuation papers you might have if it's particularly unusual or valuable. That includes all your tools. A decent socket set alone is definitely north of £60 and Snap-On well north of that number. Don't forget you might be dealing with people who (though keen to pay you, no matter what bods bleat on about) have never turned a spanner in their lives or even been to Halfords. Having the tools out to photograph will also give you the chance to do that tidying-up you'very been promising yourself. It will be a good manly use of your time and save you watching Come Dancing with the wife.

I own lots of Hermes ties, so I have done these in one standalone picture, only because some dull loss adjuster from Penge might just wonder if I really did have 15. I can prove it. That would be close on £2000 alone on a new for old basis, should the lot go up in a fire, be stolen or be ruined in an unlucky burst pipe disaster. Similarly, I just hung up seven work suits and snapped them all together. Eight pairs of work shoes, the same. In short, take pictures that will be useful to you. Save them on the cloud or give a memory stick to your mum, whatever method you find easiest. Whatever you do, don't just leave them on your PC, phone or camera as that lot will have gone up in flames, been flooded or been nicked, so will be about as useful to you as tits on a bull.

Last of all READ the proposal form or questionnaire that comes with the application for insurance and READ the policy; most are now so incredibly simply set out that even a chimp could do it. Many items do not need to be specified on a schedule, they are just lumped together which is good. But read about how some are only insured in the house and not when they are taken out. Read about sheds and garages. Read about what is sometimes deemed to be part of a house's fixture and fittings and how these might differ from contents or possessions. Read what is deemed to be part of a vehicle and what isn't. Understand what is 'All Risks' and more importantly what isn't. Read what 'accidental damage' is and work out for yourself if the modest additional premium is worth paying as and when you next stick your ladder through your brand new expensive very large triple glazed window by accident.

Aha, so it's not as simple as bods make out

Bikermate...............it's all about the price, is not?

Cheapest price rules and gets it....................that's the only Bikermate roolz
 


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