Bike test

[red1]

one question though...got ABS on yours?

No .......... but not through choice.

ABS is the one electronic aid I do believe makes a big difference! This is the first bike I've had for some time that has not had ABS. You're absolutely spot-on about that dog, deer, kid that runs out only gives you one chance.... and in my case it was called Scania!!

Glad to see it's not an option on BMUU's

 

[Appman]

Airbags and seatbelts are purely passive and have no function until you hit something

Hmm, I think you will find Air Bags are classed as being quite Dynamic, reacting when needed in a safety situation in conjunction with the Active Seat belt tensioners.

Hate to be in your Tin Can with those passive bags

 

[red1]

Hmm, I think you will find Air Bags are classed as being quite Dynamic, reacting when needed in a safety situation in conjunction with the Active Seat belt tensioners.

Hate to be in your Tin Can with those passive bags

Nothing like being pedantic!

 

[Hammam]

Airbags and seatbelts are purely passive and have no function until you hit something

And?

There is also anti-skid on cars. Very active, thank you.

 

[Hammam]

Do I detect some paternalistic and patronizing tone from certain people here, or is it just me?

 

[iandavid]

Serious about electronic aids being installed to try and stop poor riders hurting themselves? Yes.
The standard of riding in general I believe is poor. Something from your experience within the police and as an instructor with which I'm sure you must agree.
They'll all be out in a couple of weeks (Easter) wobbling around taking 6 bites at the cherry at every bend on their mega bikes hoping the electronics will get them round.

Unfortunately throttle control is becoming a thing of he past.

Crawl back into your cave and stay in the dark ages and don't make stupid blanket statements. I'm sure you are the most skilful rider ever borne but your talking smart arse bollocks. I have an old (1950's classic), a Harley, plus a 1200GS, soon to be the new LC GS. All 3 are very different and really great fun. I'm 63 so been riding a very long time but I still enjoy all the electronic as much as I enjoy my 1950's pos.

We're all different, that's what makes it so much fun.

 

[red1]

Crawl back into your cave and stay in the dark ages and don't make stupid blanket statements. I'm sure you are the most skilful rider ever borne but your talking smart arse bollocks. I have an old (1950's classic), a Harley, plus a 1200GS, soon to be the new LC GS. All 3 are very different and really great fun. I'm 63 so been riding a very long time but I still enjoy all the electronic as much as I enjoy my 1950's pos.

We're all different, that's what makes it so much fun.

Chill out old-timer. This is a forum. You have your opinions and post them on here. I do the same. If we disagree, we disagree, but rather than get personal, put forward a responsible argument not a list of the bikes you can afford to own and how long you've been riding.

 

[oldnfat]

Quite possibly.

The new GS like many other new "premium" bikes are filled with electronic "riding aids" aimed at the rider with lots of disposable income and little riding ability.

Much as I like to see rider numbers increase, the standard of riding from "born agains" and "wanabees" is very poor. Passing a test, even a ROSPA or IAM doesn't make a good rider. Safer maybe but not good. I ride out with an IAM group and sometimes it's painful watching some of them ride. But they all make the required observation checks etc that they've been taught and all have a certificate on the wall.

I have to agree with the last point. I am quite heavily involved with the IAM in a bid to help individuals be safe and enjoy biking. BUT and this is a problem, the IAM exam in itself does not make you invulnerable OR a better rider from a technical perspective. We really try and encourage members to take up the other courses we run on braking, cornering etc....having been on any number of rid outs being under the IAM banner in guarantee of quality .....not by a long shot.

 

[Appman]

And?

There is also anti-skid on cars. Very active, thank you.

So, in reality, all these features make new riders safer and competent riders potentially better!

I would say that's a win win situation

Poor riders will always be poor riders and that has nothing to do with the hardware, but time and experience will make most of them competent and safe.

Unfortunately the weekend warriors will always have the assholes among their ranks but let's not blame that on improving technology.

 

[red1]

So, in reality, all these features make new riders safer and competent riders potentially better!

I would say that's a win win situation

Poor riders will always be poor riders and that has nothing to do with the hardware, but time and experience will make most of them competent and safe.

Unfortunately the weekend warriors will always have the assholes among their ranks but let's not blame that on improving technology.

Potentially safer in respect that if they do something silly the electronics may save their bacon.
The problem is that they don't understand the mechanics of riding and never will, just rely on the electronics which in turn they probably don't understand.

 

[iandavid]

Potentially safer in respect that if they do something silly the electronics may save their bacon.
The problem is that they don't understand the mechanics of riding and never will, just rely on the electronics which in turn they probably don't understand.

Not trying to show off with the bikes I can afford, 1950's bike bought in 1968 but trying to say that I ride all levels of technology but electronics wins in this day and age.

How lucky you are to be such a riding god.:

 

[oldnfat]

Not trying to show off with the bikes I can afford, 1950's bike bought in 1968 but trying to say that I ride all levels of technology but electronics wins in this day and age.

How lucky you are to be such a riding god.:

Jezuuuuus ....this place becomes more like a school playground every day. Sure we all expect a bit of piss taking and the point of a forum is to here other views...some of which you will no doubt agree will but the level of personal abuse seems to have risen allot in the past few years.

FFS people a little more live and let live.

I will now await the personal abuse.

 

[Hammam]

I LOVE electronics on my bike! I am no expert, and no beginner. I think I am competent, and I do make mistakes from time to time. I am on the wrong side of 60, so I have a modicum of wisdom (not much, otherwise I would not be riding a bike, but still...) and I LOVE electronics. Even some «expert rider» of this forum will bend in a curve at a good clip sometime, only to happen on a little patch of sand, or oil, or wet dead leaves, and boy, will HE be happy ASC will save his skin! Even HE will have the car in front suddenly brake on a rainy day, and boy, will HE be happy ABS will save his skin! As expert rider as he may be.

 

[JayC]

I LOVE electronics on my bike! I am no expert, and no beginner. I think I am competent, and I do make mistakes from time to time. I am on the wrong side of 60, so I have a modicum of wisdom (not much, otherwise I would not be riding a bike, but still...) and I LOVE electronics. Even some «expert rider» of this forum will bend in a curve at a good clip sometime, only to happen on a little patch of sand, or oil, or wet dead leaves, and boy, will HE be happy ASC will save his skin! Even HE will have the car in front suddenly brake on a rainy day, and boy, will HE be happy ABS will save his skin! As expert rider as he may be.

Only it will be the front wheel that discovers road debris just a fraction of a second before the rear and no amount of electronic aids will help you mid corner when it's too late to react to a diesel spill. When that front wheel touches you are most likely going down, ASC, ABS or whatever other tricks there are on board.

 

[red1]

Not trying to show off with the bikes I can afford, 1950's bike bought in 1968 but trying to say that I ride all levels of technology but electronics wins in this day and age.

How lucky you are to be such a riding god.:

What's with all this "best rider ever born" and "riding God" stuff? Just putting forward my opinions from my experience and observations. Can't remember mentioning my riding skills. Don't invent what you don't know just to dis people. Its not becoming of a person of your age.
Don't work for MCN do you?

 

[Appman]

Only it will be the front wheel that discovers road debris just a fraction of a second before the rear and no amount of electronic aids will help you mid corner when it's too late to react to a diesel spill. When that front wheel touches you are most likely going down, ASC, ABS or whatever other tricks there are on board.

Does ASC not monitor the spin of both Front and Rear to provide the required controlled output at the rear wheel? So potentially can also be beneficial in the scenarios you describe, if it means not having to pick yourself out of the dirt, it can only be a positive thing. every little helps

 

[JayC]

Does ASC not monitor the spin of both Front and Rear to provide the required controlled output at the rear wheel? So potentially can also be beneficial in the scenarios you describe, if it means not having to pick yourself out of the dirt, it can only be a positive thing. every little helps

Oh right, so this magical ASC gadget also monitors loss of grip in a sideways direction , meaning when leant over the front wheel won't wash out on diesel.

 

[Hammam]

Oh right, so this magical ASC gadget also monitors loss of grip in a sideways direction , meaning when leant over the front wheel won't wash out on diesel.

Do you actually know how ASC works? Did you ever have it on your bike? I didn't think so. So, here goes: ASC works with skidding sideways as well as straight. It detects tiny differences in spin between front and rear wheel, no matter what wheel, and reduces throttle in a millisecond, thus reducing the chances of the skid getting out of control. If the front wheel goes slipping, it will slow down, ever so slightly, and ASC will detect that. It is not foolproof, and nobody ever pretended that it replaced common sense and skill, but it is good to have as a safety plus. I know it helped me out a couple of times, when I went skidding and it stopped almost instantly without me even having the time to react on the grip. Of course, losing the front is more problematic than the rear, but ASC may help. Hey, if it's good for MotoGP riders, why not for us, mere mortals?

 

[JayC]

Do you actually know how ASC works? Did you ever have it on your bike? I didn't think so. So, here goes: ASC works with skidding sideways as well as straight. It detects tiny differences in spin between front and rear wheel, no matter what wheel, and reduces throttle in a millisecond, thus reducing the chances of the skid getting out of control. If the front wheel goes slipping, it will slow down, ever so slightly, and ASC will detect that. It is not foolproof, and nobody ever pretended that it replaced common sense and skill, but it is good to have as a safety plus. I know it helped me out a couple of times, when I went skidding and it stopped almost instantly without me even having the time to react on the grip. Of course, losing the front is more problematic than the rear, but ASC may help. Hey, if it's good for MotoGP riders, why not for us, mere mortals?

Yes I do thanks but you have twisted this out of context. My initial response was to YOUR words regarding oil,leaves etc.

This leads me to ask you , do you actually know anything about gravity? No I thought not!

 

[Hammam]

Yes I do thanks but you have twisted this out of context. My initial response was to YOUR words regarding oil,leaves etc.

This leads me to ask you , do you actually know anything about gravity? No I thought not!

Gravity? What on earth is that?